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I'm surprised no-one has picked up Planning Applications - Surface Access Update -12 "Details of the actual proposal are at a very early stage, but the scheme relates to a 2.2km twin tracked route for an automatic people mover, commencing from a rail link at Stirling Place (off Kimpton Road)."
Can't wait until the next meeting.....
Can't wait until the next meeting.....
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We have already discussed in great detail about the application but the 2.2km route with twin tracks is additional information but we did already work out that the line would run from the Kimpton Road side of the line.
As I said a couple of weeks ago the Docklands Light Railway has the steepest gradient in the country at 5.88% and that the terminal is 42m above the railway line. With this new information 2200m + 5.88% means a light railway could gain height of 129m in that distance but 42m means the gradient is only 2%.
Going back to the air bridge saga we have reports of no bridges, one bridge, the mention of air bridges on a service tender and the hint from the airport to watch this space when a question was asked. Certainly no planning applications have gone in but do you need a planning application for a movable object?
The airport has mentioned in the past about it being viewed as a Cinderella airport and a lack of bridges is not going to help dispel that view.
Cost cutting is a culture that is firmly ingrained in the psyche of the management, which might explain why the airport is doing so well but for example the way the extension to the mid term car park has been left with its gravel parking spaces does make me wonder where the airport is trying to position itself in the minds of the public.
As I said a couple of weeks ago the Docklands Light Railway has the steepest gradient in the country at 5.88% and that the terminal is 42m above the railway line. With this new information 2200m + 5.88% means a light railway could gain height of 129m in that distance but 42m means the gradient is only 2%.
Going back to the air bridge saga we have reports of no bridges, one bridge, the mention of air bridges on a service tender and the hint from the airport to watch this space when a question was asked. Certainly no planning applications have gone in but do you need a planning application for a movable object?
The airport has mentioned in the past about it being viewed as a Cinderella airport and a lack of bridges is not going to help dispel that view.
Cost cutting is a culture that is firmly ingrained in the psyche of the management, which might explain why the airport is doing so well but for example the way the extension to the mid term car park has been left with its gravel parking spaces does make me wonder where the airport is trying to position itself in the minds of the public.
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A few additional points that I have taken fro the meeting document.
R Nav approaches if ILS is down.
Noise complaints were down.
Car parks were operating at +100% during parts of last summer.
Delayed flights increased mainly due to late arrival of incoming flight caused by weather and ATC capacity constraints within Europe and the UK.
Departures routes will not be changed until a decision on the next new London runway is resolved. Flights therefore will continue to be held down lower until the airspace changes as part of LAMP are introduced after the initial deadline of 2020. LLAOL mentioned the possibility of achieving greater height sooner, by operating to fly over the ‘Bovingdon Stack’ rather than under it. (‘BLIMEY’ says Buster!).
Airbus A320neo when departing the noise reduction is around 5 dB and on landing around 3 dB.
R Nav approaches if ILS is down.
Noise complaints were down.
Car parks were operating at +100% during parts of last summer.
Delayed flights increased mainly due to late arrival of incoming flight caused by weather and ATC capacity constraints within Europe and the UK.
Departures routes will not be changed until a decision on the next new London runway is resolved. Flights therefore will continue to be held down lower until the airspace changes as part of LAMP are introduced after the initial deadline of 2020. LLAOL mentioned the possibility of achieving greater height sooner, by operating to fly over the ‘Bovingdon Stack’ rather than under it. (‘BLIMEY’ says Buster!).
Airbus A320neo when departing the noise reduction is around 5 dB and on landing around 3 dB.
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I have just noticed that on BA.COM that Luton appears in the 'drop down' under London, but no routes are available. I am assuming the Vueling flights will be added to their booking engine in due course?
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Interesting, when I looked earlier this morning, the route to Barcelona (like Zurich and Amsterdam) was not bookable, but BCN now available on BA.COM.
If the other routes are added, that will definitely boost bookings!
If the other routes are added, that will definitely boost bookings!
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Vueling flights feature on BA but are up to twice as expensive
Other than the dumped fares via consolidators seems just logical business tactics.
Some will fall for the BA fare especially if they are looking for the avios bribes (they are paying for in the up front higher fare !) suppose
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What I thought I was bringing to the table was facts, rather than something from the local rag and rumour. I know this has been debated already on this thread
We have already discussed in great detail about the application but the 2.2km route with twin tracks is additional information but we did already work out that the line would run from the Kimpton Road side of the line.
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Sorry, my reply does read like a criticism but it was not meant to be. You did bring some facts to the table. As they say, every little helps so thanks 
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LTN Priority lane
Do any LTN locals know if it is worth booking priority lane for a Thursday 11am departure in February? How busy is the airport? I will have 30 minutes to get to the gate.
I once booked priority for a 09:30 flight from Stansted on a Saturday only to find the place deserted when I got there.
I once booked priority for a 09:30 flight from Stansted on a Saturday only to find the place deserted when I got there.
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I wouldn't buy a priority lane for an 11am departure, at thst time the airport is very much off peak... I'm stark contrast to the early morning and the flood of Wizz airbus that come in and out.
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I wouldn't buy a priority lane for an 11am departure, at thst time the airport is very much off peak... I'm stark contrast to the early morning and the flood of Wizz airbus that come in and out.
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Weekly redevelopment update
As suspected last week the deep hole opposite the Holiday Inn Express is for a modular drainage system that will sit under or part under the dual carriageway.
The machine drilling deep foundations for the multistory car park has moved to the former easyjet HQ site.
As can be seen by the car on the left, the exit route still passes through the middle of what will be the multi story car park. The photo shows the present end of what will be the exit route from the short term car park on the right and on the left the exit route for the new ring road. Just beyond this point the road will continue to open out for the pay barriers but as yet work has not started on this route.
With another large section of the short term car park now closed Priority Parking have left the first part of the short term car park to be finished and are now parking cars in the mid term car park. As can be seen in this photo taken on Tuesday the car park had just opened to the public and is now full.
The bus station, which is without weather protection, is about to get a small section of roof. I don't know if this is a temporary bus shelter or a section of the walkway. The artists impression of the area shows a walkway with a T shaped roof held in place by central pillars. This design has the supports on the edges. As far as I can tell it is being installed in the position of the walkway so maybe this is it as it heads for what will be the new departures entrance.
Holes are now appearing not only where the terminal infill is going but much further out. To the left of the old arrivals building a workman's lift can be seen for getting materials for the shops to site. Floor tiles have recently been taken to that area.
Over the last 2 nights the road surface has been raised to the height of the 4 additional bus bays which remains fenced off. The cones mark the exit route for the station shuttle buses.
The machine drilling deep foundations for the multistory car park has moved to the former easyjet HQ site.
As can be seen by the car on the left, the exit route still passes through the middle of what will be the multi story car park. The photo shows the present end of what will be the exit route from the short term car park on the right and on the left the exit route for the new ring road. Just beyond this point the road will continue to open out for the pay barriers but as yet work has not started on this route.
With another large section of the short term car park now closed Priority Parking have left the first part of the short term car park to be finished and are now parking cars in the mid term car park. As can be seen in this photo taken on Tuesday the car park had just opened to the public and is now full.
The bus station, which is without weather protection, is about to get a small section of roof. I don't know if this is a temporary bus shelter or a section of the walkway. The artists impression of the area shows a walkway with a T shaped roof held in place by central pillars. This design has the supports on the edges. As far as I can tell it is being installed in the position of the walkway so maybe this is it as it heads for what will be the new departures entrance.
Holes are now appearing not only where the terminal infill is going but much further out. To the left of the old arrivals building a workman's lift can be seen for getting materials for the shops to site. Floor tiles have recently been taken to that area.
Over the last 2 nights the road surface has been raised to the height of the 4 additional bus bays which remains fenced off. The cones mark the exit route for the station shuttle buses.
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All of the work seems to be going well and I think they are making good progress. The mid-term car park looks great! 
Keep the updates coming LTNMan!
As for the Vueling announcement about their new ZRH-LTN route; I wasn't expecting it so soon! This is obviously great news especially as they have missed the peak times and gone for a 9:35am departure, so it won't cause any chaos. I don't think they will announce anymore but if they did who knows it could be MAD, FCO, ALC and many others next! I'm glad EZY are finally getting some competition. Can someone clarify if the ZRH route is seasonal because I have seen a few sources mention this.
Keep the updates coming LTNMan! As for the Vueling announcement about their new ZRH-LTN route; I wasn't expecting it so soon! This is obviously great news especially as they have missed the peak times and gone for a 9:35am departure, so it won't cause any chaos. I don't think they will announce anymore but if they did who knows it could be MAD, FCO, ALC and many others next! I'm glad EZY are finally getting some competition. Can someone clarify if the ZRH route is seasonal because I have seen a few sources mention this.