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Small Planet Airlines at Birmingham
Good news for Summer 2013
Looking at the Olympic Holidays site the Birmingham schedule would appear to be
Monday CFU 1355 1915 2005 2155 LLP611/2 eff.3/6/2013
Tuesday HER 0830 1455 1555 1830 LLP621/2 eft.4/6/2013
Wednesday RHO 1000 1635 1735 2015 LLP631/3 eff.5/6/2013
Thursday ZTH 0930 1515 1615 1920 LLP641/2 eff.6/6/2013
Friday JSI 0930 1515 1615 1920 LLP651/2 eff.14/6/2013
Saturday LCA 0700 1355 1455 1810 LLP661/2 eff.8/6/2013
Sunday PFO 0900 1550 1650 2000 LLP671/2 eff.30/6/2013
What aircraft do Small Planet operate?
Daza
Looking at the Olympic Holidays site the Birmingham schedule would appear to be
Monday CFU 1355 1915 2005 2155 LLP611/2 eff.3/6/2013
Tuesday HER 0830 1455 1555 1830 LLP621/2 eft.4/6/2013
Wednesday RHO 1000 1635 1735 2015 LLP631/3 eff.5/6/2013
Thursday ZTH 0930 1515 1615 1920 LLP641/2 eff.6/6/2013
Friday JSI 0930 1515 1615 1920 LLP651/2 eff.14/6/2013
Saturday LCA 0700 1355 1455 1810 LLP661/2 eff.8/6/2013
Sunday PFO 0900 1550 1650 2000 LLP671/2 eff.30/6/2013
What aircraft do Small Planet operate?
Daza
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Looking at their website a fleet of (probably knackered) 733s.
Do Olympic Holidays learn nothing from their previous forays with the bottom end of the charter airline industry?
Looking at their website a fleet of (probably knackered) 733s.
Do Olympic Holidays learn nothing from their previous forays with the bottom end of the charter airline industry?
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Small Planet also have A320s.
A320 is nore likely to be the case as a B733 would struggle on BHX-LCA with a full payload in the hight of summer.
Dont take that as gospel though.
A320 is nore likely to be the case as a B733 would struggle on BHX-LCA with a full payload in the hight of summer.
Dont take that as gospel though.
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Here we go again. The annual event.
No doubt, Small Planet will be cheap but not so cheerful.
If anyone wants to look into the crystal ball I would suggest
a "looksee" at Trip Advisor and, then, make your plans to
use a proper airline.
For the record, they have a mixed bag of elderly 737's, one
former Britannia 757 and one wet leased 320 at the moment.
No doubt there will be more trotting along.
No doubt, Small Planet will be cheap but not so cheerful.
If anyone wants to look into the crystal ball I would suggest
a "looksee" at Trip Advisor and, then, make your plans to
use a proper airline.
For the record, they have a mixed bag of elderly 737's, one
former Britannia 757 and one wet leased 320 at the moment.
No doubt there will be more trotting along.
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Olympic @ BHX
I have just done a quick trawl of schedules from other UK airports to some of the same Greek airports served by Olympic from BHX and it would appear that they make extensive use of Jet2 (from LBA, EMA, MAN, GLA etc), EZY (LPL, BRS, NCL etc) as well as TCX and TOM. Cannot see so far Small Planet being offered from any other UK airport to Greece by Olympic.
BHX does not have a particularly strong 'scheduled no frills' offering to Greek island destinations, ZB only serves HER? Perhaps this is why they have to sub contract flights to a random East European airline as there simply isn't the capacity needed available. Better that than Olympic not bother to offer flights from BHX at all! Looking at the schedule there are no night flights planned which means that any delays during the day could be soaked up whilst the a/c is on the ground overnight (barring of course major tech faults
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BHX does not have a particularly strong 'scheduled no frills' offering to Greek island destinations, ZB only serves HER? Perhaps this is why they have to sub contract flights to a random East European airline as there simply isn't the capacity needed available. Better that than Olympic not bother to offer flights from BHX at all! Looking at the schedule there are no night flights planned which means that any delays during the day could be soaked up whilst the a/c is on the ground overnight (barring of course major tech faults
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Just read an article from Air Transport World where EK President Tim Clark has stated that GLA is on the radar (with BCN) as next new A380 destinations (main focus of article is lack of access to expand flights to India)
http://atwonline.com/airports-routes...YM_MID=1378224
http://atwonline.com/airports-routes...YM_MID=1378224
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Cutting through the spin, Glasgow seems to gain with frequencies and seats despite taking less passengers than EDI and EDI gains frequency but it is just a recovery of seats compared to September 2012, as it was 7 x 195 compared to 3 x 175, 4 x 195 & 1 x Q400.
I tried to see where this extra EDI based Q400 has come from but I couldn't see any network cuts or re-organisation but I suspect a BHX unit. The Q400 schedule this summer as I have mentioned before has a spare morning slot so potentially plenty of remedies at flybe's disposal - cut night-stop DUS and operate first Jersey out (five minute re-time required), push the morning IOM back to 08.20, move Waterford, HAJ or STR flights to 08.20.
At present this "new" Q400 sits at BHX from 07.55 to 14.05.
The first Jersey out fits those times perfectly.
GF
I assume future bookings and yield are good as there is nothing in the pax figures alone to show why an A380 would be needed. It is improving with load factors at 72% in January which is more like a May/June stat but it is early days.
As for BHX only two three-class flights out 112 movements in February so I assume things have improved although of course one less day in 2013 so it might be negative again.
Pete
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Cutting through the spin, Glasgow seems to gain with frequencies and seats despite taking less passengers than EDI and EDI gains frequency but it is just a recovery of seats compared to September 2012, as it was 7 x 195 compared to 3 x 175, 4 x 195 & 1 x Q400.
I tried to see where this extra EDI based Q400 has come from but I couldn't see any network cuts or re-organisation but I suspect a BHX unit. The Q400 schedule this summer as I have mentioned before has a spare morning slot so potentially plenty of remedies at flybe's disposal - cut night-stop DUS and operate first Jersey out (five minute re-time required), push the morning IOM back to 08.20, move Waterford, HAJ or STR flights to 08.20.
At present this "new" Q400 sits at BHX from 07.55 to 14.05.
The first Jersey out fits those times perfectly.
GF
I assume future bookings and yield are good as there is nothing in the pax figures alone to show why an A380 would be needed. It is improving with load factors at 72% in January which is more like a May/June stat but it is early days.
As for BHX only two three-class flights out 112 movements in February so I assume things have improved although of course one less day in 2013 so it might be negative again.
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November & December Domestic pax
The CAA punctuality stats are out enabling me to give an accurate passenger per flight although load factor is still estimated due to flybe's maximum use of it's fleet - in other words change of types from the published schedule. 2011 figures in brackets.
November
Aberdeen---8085 (7118)---49 per flight---59% load factor
Belfast City---23381 (25871)---67 pax---62%
Belfast Int---10756 (Nil)---103 pax---66%
Londonderry---4352 (4417)---128 pax---68%
Dundee---1499 (1518)---20 pax---60%
Edinburgh---27139 (26762)---82 pax---73%
Glasgow---19691 (18866)---59 pax---56%
Guernsey---2311 (2331)---48 pax---60% (includes Jersey)
Jersey-------2732 (2372)
Inverness---2720 (2123)---52 pax---67%
Isle of Man---3372 (3816)---36 pax---46%
Newcastle---944 (1266)---9 pax---30%
December
Aberdeen---6696 (6101)---50 per flight---60% load factor
Belfast City---19174 (22618)---64 pax---61%
Belfast Int---10920 (Nil)---109 pax---70%
Londonderry---4044 (4113)---119 pax---63%
Dundee---38 ()---19 pax---58%
Edinburgh---19253 (18338)---72 pax---65%
Glasgow---13025 (13516)---50 pax---50%
Guernsey---2091 (2196)---45 pax---58% (includes Jersey)
Jersey-------2313 (2328)
Inverness---2720 (2123)---51 pax---65%
Isle of Man---3059 ()---35 pax---44%
Newcastle---564 (703)---10 pax---33%
So flybe didn't do too bad on BHD with easyjet's first two full months on BFS.
Edinburgh was excellent and just adds more questions why Glasgow gets similar capacity from next month and the same frequencies.
I also checked the accuracy of the International routes from the punctuality stats and most were there or there abouts.Ryanair had a few where the load factor was higher due to diverts away on some Polish routes and they came back empty.
Pete
November
Aberdeen---8085 (7118)---49 per flight---59% load factor
Belfast City---23381 (25871)---67 pax---62%
Belfast Int---10756 (Nil)---103 pax---66%
Londonderry---4352 (4417)---128 pax---68%
Dundee---1499 (1518)---20 pax---60%
Edinburgh---27139 (26762)---82 pax---73%
Glasgow---19691 (18866)---59 pax---56%
Guernsey---2311 (2331)---48 pax---60% (includes Jersey)
Jersey-------2732 (2372)
Inverness---2720 (2123)---52 pax---67%
Isle of Man---3372 (3816)---36 pax---46%
Newcastle---944 (1266)---9 pax---30%
December
Aberdeen---6696 (6101)---50 per flight---60% load factor
Belfast City---19174 (22618)---64 pax---61%
Belfast Int---10920 (Nil)---109 pax---70%
Londonderry---4044 (4113)---119 pax---63%
Dundee---38 ()---19 pax---58%
Edinburgh---19253 (18338)---72 pax---65%
Glasgow---13025 (13516)---50 pax---50%
Guernsey---2091 (2196)---45 pax---58% (includes Jersey)
Jersey-------2313 (2328)
Inverness---2720 (2123)---51 pax---65%
Isle of Man---3059 ()---35 pax---44%
Newcastle---564 (703)---10 pax---33%
So flybe didn't do too bad on BHD with easyjet's first two full months on BFS.
Edinburgh was excellent and just adds more questions why Glasgow gets similar capacity from next month and the same frequencies.
I also checked the accuracy of the International routes from the punctuality stats and most were there or there abouts.Ryanair had a few where the load factor was higher due to diverts away on some Polish routes and they came back empty.
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Small Planet Poland (LLP) at present only operate a fleet of 3 A320's, including an ex TCX A320.
The oldest aircraft is 15 years old, the newest is 12 years old, hopefully the aircraft will be more reliable than the Skywings A320 of a few years ago! Guess only time will tell!
The oldest aircraft is 15 years old, the newest is 12 years old, hopefully the aircraft will be more reliable than the Skywings A320 of a few years ago! Guess only time will tell!
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I think that you are referring to the Polish Small Planet that currently operates three 320's.
The other Small Planet is Lithuanian that operates in the region of 13 heritage aircraft.
Are you saying that the new contract will be with the Polish or Lithuanian outfits?
I think that you are referring to the Polish Small Planet that currently operates three 320's.
The other Small Planet is Lithuanian that operates in the region of 13 heritage aircraft.
Are you saying that the new contract will be with the Polish or Lithuanian outfits?
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Small Planet have 3 divisions.
Small Planet Lithuania (Parent Company) Operating 4x B733
Small Planet Poland operating 2x A320/180Y Based WAW
Small Planet Italy operating 2 x B733/148Y Based FCO and BGY.
LLC is the designator for Small Planet Lithuania.
LLP is the designator for Small Planet Poland.
LLI is the designator for Small Planet Italy.
In the Winter they base an A320 + B733 in Riga to operate charters for Novaturas, the largest Baltic states Tour Operating group.
The A320 doesnt operate out of RIX in the Summer as Novaturas contract SmartLynx A320 + Small Planet B733.
My guess would be then that the A320 is coming to the UK for Summer (as it did the last couple of years for Meridian (Broker)) and thats the one that Olympic Holidays will use, having said that it could be a B733...though the B733 would struggle on BHX-LCA and BHX-PFO.
The RIX based aircraft move around quite alot picking up work where they can find it, apart from the one unit thats dedicated to Novaturas.
The B757 LY-FLG (ex G-BYAR) is I believe leased to SCAT Airlines (Kazakhstan) and operated for them.
Small Planet Lithuania (Parent Company) Operating 4x B733
Small Planet Poland operating 2x A320/180Y Based WAW
Small Planet Italy operating 2 x B733/148Y Based FCO and BGY.
LLC is the designator for Small Planet Lithuania.
LLP is the designator for Small Planet Poland.
LLI is the designator for Small Planet Italy.
In the Winter they base an A320 + B733 in Riga to operate charters for Novaturas, the largest Baltic states Tour Operating group.
The A320 doesnt operate out of RIX in the Summer as Novaturas contract SmartLynx A320 + Small Planet B733.
My guess would be then that the A320 is coming to the UK for Summer (as it did the last couple of years for Meridian (Broker)) and thats the one that Olympic Holidays will use, having said that it could be a B733...though the B733 would struggle on BHX-LCA and BHX-PFO.
The RIX based aircraft move around quite alot picking up work where they can find it, apart from the one unit thats dedicated to Novaturas.
The B757 LY-FLG (ex G-BYAR) is I believe leased to SCAT Airlines (Kazakhstan) and operated for them.
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Noticed this on that other site ending in .net, on the subject of MAN, but mentions BHX:
Singapore has rebounded remarkably and it is increasingly likely the 328 will be de-linked from MUC, Emirates has already assigned flight numbers and a provisional date for their 4th daily service, Qatar's plan is for a return to double daily as they have put BHX on the back burner to focus on strengthening their position at MAN, Finnair is adding capacity again.
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How can QR be dropping BHX for MAN when the reason why they haven't started BHX was due to the problems with the 787?? Yes we all know BHX isn't top of QR list and maybe MAN will recieve the a visit from a 787 before BHX but increasing MAN is not the reason why BHX hasn't started yet.
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Noticed this on that other site ending in .net, on the subject of MAN, but mentions BHX
Which immediately devalues it as any form of reliable source, unless the senior team at SQ and QR are now holding their strategic planning discussions at the Manchester AVP.
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Justplane crazy Re BHXC-MAN-Qatar
It could well be right, Qatar said in 2011 they were already planning to increase services out of Manchester when the time was right.
Would be BHX usual bad luck, that the delays in 787s for Qatar, would lead to them focusing instead on increasing MAN with another 330.
Far less risky to add another flt on an existing route when you have the infrastructure already in place that start from scratchout of BHX.
BHX chances haven't been helped by stagnation and some reversal in loads with EK dropping from mid to high 80% down to mid 75% in recent months..certainly won't encourage Qatar that theres enough of the cake left for them to the region.
No doubt if they do announce another MAN flt, it will be curtains for Qatar at BHX
Nigel
It could well be right, Qatar said in 2011 they were already planning to increase services out of Manchester when the time was right.
Would be BHX usual bad luck, that the delays in 787s for Qatar, would lead to them focusing instead on increasing MAN with another 330.
Far less risky to add another flt on an existing route when you have the infrastructure already in place that start from scratchout of BHX.
BHX chances haven't been helped by stagnation and some reversal in loads with EK dropping from mid to high 80% down to mid 75% in recent months..certainly won't encourage Qatar that theres enough of the cake left for them to the region.
No doubt if they do announce another MAN flt, it will be curtains for Qatar at BHX
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How can QR be dropping BHX for MAN when the reason why they haven't started BHX was due to the problems with the 787??
I believe it has all been chatter on the likes of PPRUNE that have presumed that to be the reason....
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Hasn't QR come out and said that problems with the 787 has caused delays with starting new routes which the 787 will be used on?
Qatar’s planned daily non-stop Doha-Chicago O’Hare service, slated to get underway on April 10, will initially be operated only 3X-weekly, the airline said. However, the carrier said it will increase to the planned daily frequency from June 15.
Additionally, the launch of 3X-weekly flights between Doha and Chengdu (in central China), which was intended to start on March 19, has been postponed indefinitely.
The announcements come as the carrier works to adjust capacity on existing routes as a result of the grounding of its Dreamliners.
Additionally, the launch of 3X-weekly flights between Doha and Chengdu (in central China), which was intended to start on March 19, has been postponed indefinitely.
The announcements come as the carrier works to adjust capacity on existing routes as a result of the grounding of its Dreamliners.
“We can confirm we are planning to launch passenger flights to Birmingham, but are not yet in a position to announce a date nor schedules.
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No doubt if they do announce another MAN flt, it will be curtains for Qatar at BHX
Why can't QR start BHX with a 330? I think the 787 delay is just smokescreen for the fact that they are now not that interested in launching BHX. Based on figures that have been made available, since the increase in EK/EY flights at MAN and the increase in TK frequency from BHX, it would seem for now at least that the market at BHX now seems to be sown up.