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Load Factors
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Some of the routes do hit the extremes such as Milan with extremely low load factors during a couple of the winter months but good load factors in Spring and Summer and I assume flybe are prepared to ride the winter storm.
Brussels and Dusseldorf have been quoted as the most profitable of BHX routes due to a reasonable amount of last minute high-yielding fares.
Stuttgart is more of a mystery as flybe they have changed the times and in January even reducedi it to six a week and load factors have not improved. As for fares/yield on this service I have no idea but considering flybe has swung the axe elsewhere and this survives (thus far) would indicate that there is more to this route than meets the eye.
Pete
Some of the routes do hit the extremes such as Milan with extremely low load factors during a couple of the winter months but good load factors in Spring and Summer and I assume flybe are prepared to ride the winter storm.
Brussels and Dusseldorf have been quoted as the most profitable of BHX routes due to a reasonable amount of last minute high-yielding fares.
Stuttgart is more of a mystery as flybe they have changed the times and in January even reducedi it to six a week and load factors have not improved. As for fares/yield on this service I have no idea but considering flybe has swung the axe elsewhere and this survives (thus far) would indicate that there is more to this route than meets the eye.
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Passeneger loads v Yield
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The answer to your question is yes. Passenger numbers are just that, numbers. They are interesting, but they are not an indication of yield. Full service airlines are much less dependent on filling every seat on an aircraft than their low fares competitors. Their ticketing and yield management systems are much more complex too (I worked in ticketing many years ago).
Even the split between business and economy can be misleading as fully flexible, last minute economy passengers can be paying more than business class fares on the same flight.
Flybe Stuttgart must be attracting lots of last minute, flexible bookings (as it did with Maersk/Duo/Bacon.) If not I'm sure it would have faced the chop by now. However, I agree with OP that the change to the schedule for BHX-STR could be the final nail in the coffin for this flight with no long day in STR now.
Maybe BMIR with their ER4/ER3 aircraft that would be more suited to BHX-STR? 
BTW OP I do love to read your route analysis!!
Daza
how do some of those Euro/German routes ever survive ? are the 30 pax paying premium fares?
Even the split between business and economy can be misleading as fully flexible, last minute economy passengers can be paying more than business class fares on the same flight.
Flybe Stuttgart must be attracting lots of last minute, flexible bookings (as it did with Maersk/Duo/Bacon.) If not I'm sure it would have faced the chop by now. However, I agree with OP that the change to the schedule for BHX-STR could be the final nail in the coffin for this flight with no long day in STR now.
Maybe BMIR with their ER4/ER3 aircraft that would be more suited to BHX-STR? BTW OP I do love to read your route analysis!!
Daza
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Maybe BMIR with their ER4/ER3 aircraft that would be more suited to BHX-STR
In fact, it would have probably have been a better bet for BMIR to go head to head with Flybe than Lyon, giving business friendly timings.
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Just a quick question, when Turkmenistan operate the 737's into BHX do they have to make a tech stop? And if so, where?
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Turkmenistan operates 4x a week, with different times. They've all operated lately with the B738 as opposed to the more usual B752, info below and the most recent date they operated.
T5 429/430 - Sundays (17/2)
T5 411/412 - Mondays (18/2)
T5 421/422 - Wednesdays (20/2)
T5 425/426 - Fridays (22/2)
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T5 429/430 - Sundays (17/2)
T5 411/412 - Mondays (18/2)
T5 421/422 - Wednesdays (20/2)
T5 425/426 - Fridays (22/2)
Cheers
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They've all operated lately with the B738 as opposed to the more usual B752.
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T5/AH/ZB
T5 - How does the 738 and 757 compare on seats, I would have thought the 738 to be less? I hope this isn't a sign that they are struggling on their BHX route
AH - no update and I should imagine that's how that will stay as I very much doubt it was even intended to operate
ZB - ouch, surely MUC can't go on much longer if circa 35 is indicative of loads. Something like a summer NAP or VLC and a winter SZG or INN would surely be a better year round use of an aircraft than MUC for ZB?
AH - no update and I should imagine that's how that will stay as I very much doubt it was even intended to operate
ZB - ouch, surely MUC can't go on much longer if circa 35 is indicative of loads. Something like a summer NAP or VLC and a winter SZG or INN would surely be a better year round use of an aircraft than MUC for ZB?
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AH
Out of interest took a look at AH website to see just where they fly. As you would expect a large number of flights to France and Spain plus a few others like LHR, AMS, FRA, MXP, FCO and GVA. LHR is served four times a week. Other than that, some West and North African cities, Medinah, Dubai, Beijing and Montreal. I really can't see BHX being added to this collection.
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T5/ZB/BE/QS
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T5 - not got the exact figures but 171 for the 738 and around 190 for the 757 or it used to be.
Pax have been on the decline but only slightly and the 738 is probably big enough.
ZB - very noticeable that Munich is not bookable yet next winter. I agree a mix of SZG and INN would be a better bet.
The GNB figures seem reasonable although easy are on the route and if it is anything like GVA it will be fairly full.
Daza - cheers did hope to have the December domestic loads but the punctuality stats are not out! Stuttgart out tomorrow back Thursday was listed at £600 plus. Wouldn't take many at that price to ease the worries.
Hannover in summer has moved to a 13.00 departure back at 17.35 and if STR stayed at daily daytime if would be one less aircraft based but no sign of that yet.
Travel Service still listed as three flights a week based times - very odd.
Pete
T5 - not got the exact figures but 171 for the 738 and around 190 for the 757 or it used to be.
Pax have been on the decline but only slightly and the 738 is probably big enough.
ZB - very noticeable that Munich is not bookable yet next winter. I agree a mix of SZG and INN would be a better bet.
The GNB figures seem reasonable although easy are on the route and if it is anything like GVA it will be fairly full.
Daza - cheers did hope to have the December domestic loads but the punctuality stats are not out! Stuttgart out tomorrow back Thursday was listed at £600 plus. Wouldn't take many at that price to ease the worries.
Hannover in summer has moved to a 13.00 departure back at 17.35 and if STR stayed at daily daytime if would be one less aircraft based but no sign of that yet.
Travel Service still listed as three flights a week based times - very odd.
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Geat news that this has survived (for now) the route cull by LH at TXL. I should imagine LH have had to completely revise their Berlin ops with the delayed opening of new airport and Germanwings. TXL quite simply can't cope with the massive increase in flights from LH last year, when I have been there it can at best be described as 'overcrowded'.
I have flown this route from BHX on numerous occasions since it started and fares have nearly always been higher than from MAN for dates I have travelled, with Economy Saver fares nearly always being available from MAN but not from BHX. Is it too simplistic to assume that LH are getting better yields from BHX as there is no other direct competitor on the route?
Flights from BHX I have been on have tended to be full, although admittedly I haven't flown there since Nov and I have seen from published stats that loads have not been quite as spectacular as over the summer.
I for one really hope this route survives as for me it's very useful indeed
I have flown this route from BHX on numerous occasions since it started and fares have nearly always been higher than from MAN for dates I have travelled, with Economy Saver fares nearly always being available from MAN but not from BHX. Is it too simplistic to assume that LH are getting better yields from BHX as there is no other direct competitor on the route?
Flights from BHX I have been on have tended to be full, although admittedly I haven't flown there since Nov and I have seen from published stats that loads have not been quite as spectacular as over the summer.
I for one really hope this route survives as for me it's very useful indeed