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ZB Aircraft Allocations
Slight increase in capacity from Mon this summer from BHX, 7 x A321 and 2 x A320 v the 5 A320 and 4 A321 last summer. Capacity this summer of 3692 seats per day vs 3452 per day last number (based on each a/c working 2 rotations a day, there are however days when there are additional night flights, for example fri-sun with additional night flights over 4000 seats to sell per day)
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Thank you for the update and indeed that is an excellent increase.
The next A320 is due at MAEL today flying Kemble - East Mids - BHX. I am sure that there is a good reason for that, no doubt someone will explain. Note "next" not new as a 2001 build.
Flybe
Preveza appears to be available again clearly showing as flybe unless Cosmos intend to find a replacement but yet to finalise the details of the alternative carrier. I check several dates last week with no availability even the dates of my prospective holiday and very much bookable this week whereas it defaulte to Gatwick last week.
I never really unerstood this one as 195 does not go to Paris on a Sunday morning and what other schedule services require a 195 at 06.00 on a Sunday. Thomas Cook Almeria on flybe has not been replaced as yet.
Thomson Chania seems to have gone for summer.
Pete
Thank you for the update and indeed that is an excellent increase.
The next A320 is due at MAEL today flying Kemble - East Mids - BHX. I am sure that there is a good reason for that, no doubt someone will explain. Note "next" not new as a 2001 build.
Flybe
Preveza appears to be available again clearly showing as flybe unless Cosmos intend to find a replacement but yet to finalise the details of the alternative carrier. I check several dates last week with no availability even the dates of my prospective holiday and very much bookable this week whereas it defaulte to Gatwick last week.
I never really unerstood this one as 195 does not go to Paris on a Sunday morning and what other schedule services require a 195 at 06.00 on a Sunday. Thomas Cook Almeria on flybe has not been replaced as yet.
Thomson Chania seems to have gone for summer.
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Thanks for the update, are the TCX flts extras or have the Fly Be passengers just been moved onto an existing flight ?
Orbest is a nice change if it survives.
Air Transat, they really don't seem sure about what they want to do out of BHX.
I really can't see them keeping BHX for much longer as a bolt on airport when their others (MAN,LGW,GLA) have at least 3 routes.They have already recently disposed of NCL,CWL as 1 destination airports, leaving just BHX..
Therefore think 2015 might be a crunch year, will they add Calgary and Vancouver ,or will they chop BHX ?
Nigel
Thanks for the update, are the TCX flts extras or have the Fly Be passengers just been moved onto an existing flight ?
Orbest is a nice change if it survives.
Air Transat, they really don't seem sure about what they want to do out of BHX.
I really can't see them keeping BHX for much longer as a bolt on airport when their others (MAN,LGW,GLA) have at least 3 routes.They have already recently disposed of NCL,CWL as 1 destination airports, leaving just BHX..
Therefore think 2015 might be a crunch year, will they add Calgary and Vancouver ,or will they chop BHX ?
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Does it not depend on if it makes money or not, its not a bolt on, the crews just make a relatively short journey at the conclusion of the flight to a Midlands hotel instead of a London or Manchester one or alternately travel down in the morning. not a great extra cost.
Perhaps the other regional departures were not making money.
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Perhaps the other regional departures were not making money.
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I base my reasoning on contact I had with Air Transat some months ago, when I asked them if they would add Vancouver and Calgary in 2014 to BHX when our runway extension would allow.
Also if they would add another YYZ as we had a 97% load factor on an A330 last year..
The gent replied these was not in their plans for 2014 and BHX was lucky ,as it was their only UK airport with just 1 flt and destination, and therefore operationally it was more problematic.
Nigel
I base my reasoning on contact I had with Air Transat some months ago, when I asked them if they would add Vancouver and Calgary in 2014 to BHX when our runway extension would allow.
Also if they would add another YYZ as we had a 97% load factor on an A330 last year..
The gent replied these was not in their plans for 2014 and BHX was lucky ,as it was their only UK airport with just 1 flt and destination, and therefore operationally it was more problematic.
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FlyBE Summer 2014 changes
For a change good news from FlyBE.
It looks as if BHX-HAJ, MXP and STR (after all) will all be twice daily for summer 2014, with very attractive timings allowing for day returns in both directions.
BHX-HAJ
BHX Dep 07:05 Arr 09:50 HAJ Dep 10:15 Arr 11:15 BHX
BHX Dep 17:00 Arr 19:45 HAJ Dep 20:10 Arr 21:10 BHX
based on timings this appears to be E175?
BHX-MXP (below daily EDIT: third flight on Sat removed)
BHX Dep 06:45 Arr 09:50 MXP Dep 10:20 Arr 11:30 BHX
BHX Dep 16:50 Arr 19:55 MXP Dep 20:25 Arr 21:35 BHX
BHX-STR
BHXDep 07:10 Arr 10:05 STR Dep 10:30 Arr 11:30 BHX
BHX Dep 16:40 Arr 19:35 STR Dep 20:00 Arr 21:00 BHX
also E175?
Based on this, I'd expect more changes at BHX due to timetable/fleet implications?
It looks as if BHX-HAJ, MXP and STR (after all) will all be twice daily for summer 2014, with very attractive timings allowing for day returns in both directions.
BHX-HAJ
BHX Dep 07:05 Arr 09:50 HAJ Dep 10:15 Arr 11:15 BHX
BHX Dep 17:00 Arr 19:45 HAJ Dep 20:10 Arr 21:10 BHX
based on timings this appears to be E175?
BHX-MXP (below daily EDIT: third flight on Sat removed)
BHX Dep 06:45 Arr 09:50 MXP Dep 10:20 Arr 11:30 BHX
BHX Dep 16:50 Arr 19:55 MXP Dep 20:25 Arr 21:35 BHX
BHX-STR
BHXDep 07:10 Arr 10:05 STR Dep 10:30 Arr 11:30 BHX
BHX Dep 16:40 Arr 19:35 STR Dep 20:00 Arr 21:00 BHX
also E175?
Based on this, I'd expect more changes at BHX due to timetable/fleet implications?
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I think that you are correct, the IOM is all over the place for the summer, 2 daily then one daily with the arrival and departure times not corresponding. Indeed some of the days seem to fit in with the IOM Liverpool aircraft schedule gap.
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If those flybe flights are operated by jets then they will be similar to the old days when Maersk and BA operated the routes with similar departures. They should attract a lot more business pax. Doing a random check for STR the fares seem quite reasonable. However the timings look like they are operated by turboprops.
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Certainly interesting development but not a total surprise as I posted on the flybe thread only six to eight 175's were scheduled to fly in the original revised timetable.
With the six 175's as insuindi has stated there should be more changes to come to increase late morning & early afternoon flying although the afternoon Amsterdam is now showing as the 175.
Could we seen a new destination to mainland Europe, say once a day?
The based Q400's still seem to go AMS, ABZ, JER and GLA in the morning, which with the Paris CDG 195 makes 11 based.
Other than the impact on local jobs at BHX if added to the expected increase in Monarch seats (due to more A321) then 2014 might not be as bad as first thought.
Nigel - Thomas Cook I think is the loss of one flight and a few seats.
Two flybe 195 flights lost with one Orbest gained. The 757 flights have just been juggled some gains and losses on inividual routes but I believe the same number of flights as 2013.
On general matter it is widely acknowledged that the current period is tough and the flybe reductions back this up but overall BHX seems to be thriving with add-hoc freight, GA, training, charters and MAEL and hopefully this is all adding to the bottom line.
The downside is the lack of news re Biman - still not bookable I believe.
Pete
Certainly interesting development but not a total surprise as I posted on the flybe thread only six to eight 175's were scheduled to fly in the original revised timetable.
With the six 175's as insuindi has stated there should be more changes to come to increase late morning & early afternoon flying although the afternoon Amsterdam is now showing as the 175.
Could we seen a new destination to mainland Europe, say once a day?
The based Q400's still seem to go AMS, ABZ, JER and GLA in the morning, which with the Paris CDG 195 makes 11 based.
Other than the impact on local jobs at BHX if added to the expected increase in Monarch seats (due to more A321) then 2014 might not be as bad as first thought.
Nigel - Thomas Cook I think is the loss of one flight and a few seats.
Two flybe 195 flights lost with one Orbest gained. The 757 flights have just been juggled some gains and losses on inividual routes but I believe the same number of flights as 2013.
On general matter it is widely acknowledged that the current period is tough and the flybe reductions back this up but overall BHX seems to be thriving with add-hoc freight, GA, training, charters and MAEL and hopefully this is all adding to the bottom line.
The downside is the lack of news re Biman - still not bookable I believe.
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TXL-BHX will continue on the reduced 4/7 schedule for summer, all operated by 4U A319.
@crewmeal: forFlyBE HAJ, MXP, STR seatmaps show inventory for E175.
@crewmeal: forFlyBE HAJ, MXP, STR seatmaps show inventory for E175.
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Was pricing United to EWR in May return for 1 person and its coming in at 1,680. Now I do support BHX direct services where possible but when I have just picked up flights with Aer Lingus for 687. United fares are extortion, APD has nothing to do with it as I pay with both carriers. I could of got it slightly cheaper with EI if I transited in SNN but DUB is much better. Business class with EI is even cheaper than Y fare with UA. I could even get to SFO with EI and have 600 to spare with UA fares.
Either United are making huge profits on the route or they wan t to driver passengers away.
Either United are making huge profits on the route or they wan t to driver passengers away.
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Re United fares assume you are looking as Business Class or US Dollars, as I have just found numerous return direct fares to and from BHX around £640.00 in May on the United website ??
Nigel
Re United fares assume you are looking as Business Class or US Dollars, as I have just found numerous return direct fares to and from BHX around £640.00 in May on the United website ??
Nigel
Even cheaper on another comparison site. I see PIA have cancelled their flight today and rescheduling the pax for Tuesday's flight. I wonder what sort of compensation the pax will get. I hope this won't be a regular thing.
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That was the Y fare, only going for a meetings so departing 19, returning 20. I didn't look other dates as I wasn't can't go others. The Business fare on the day 3,200.
That was the Y fare, only going for a meetings so departing 19, returning 20. I didn't look other dates as I wasn't can't go others. The Business fare on the day 3,200.
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J636 - maybe one of the sectors was just very busy. One could argue that it is your inflexibility which is the problem even if it is not your own personal doing.
It's like anything, even Ryanair have sometimes been more expensive than other carriers from airports up the road.
It's like anything, even Ryanair have sometimes been more expensive than other carriers from airports up the road.
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Fully agree, dates not changeable but the seat maps are not packed out, you would possible expect to see this price for a flight that is almost full and last minute booking. Not to worry anyway!
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