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Arriving at BHX this morning on a delivery flight, Fly Dubai 737-800 A6-FEK,
This has gone into the Monarch Hangar and joins A6-FEJ which arrived over a week ago.
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This has gone into the Monarch Hangar and joins A6-FEJ which arrived over a week ago.
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Aaaah, after all the speculation, finally we've got to the bottom of it. The whole purpose of the extension was for a 2 weekly Biman flight, 'opening up new business opportunities' 
The financial and economic return on this project must be......I'll get me calculator.
Excusing the woeful journalism, this really does smack of desperation.
No mention of BHX's real coup this year, AI.
Mind you that didn't need the runway extension.
The financial and economic return on this project must be......I'll get me calculator.
Excusing the woeful journalism, this really does smack of desperation.
No mention of BHX's real coup this year, AI.
Mind you that didn't need the runway extension.
All names taken
Good heavens, I thought I was a cynic!
Actually it's 4 x weekly, 2 in each direction - and you never know, it might last as much as 4 weeks!
Aaaah, after all the speculation, finally we've got to the bottom of it. The whole purpose of the extension was for a 2 weekly Biman flight, 'opening up new business opportunities'
Actually it's 4 x weekly, 2 in each direction - and you never know, it might last as much as 4 weeks!
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Having seen that image on another forum prompted me to do a little easy research. Apparently it was less expensive to divert the road around the runway extension rather than build a tunnel, but the result is that the runway will have a length of arond 10,000 ft when competed, rather than the previous length mentioned of circa 9400 ft.
Presumably that makes all the difference with the ultra long haul flights.
Takes some strain of the "South-east"....?
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Presumably that makes all the difference with the ultra long haul flights.
Takes some strain of the "South-east"....?
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These comments towards the extension do make me chuckle
I really don't think the airport directors sat down and said lets spends millions
On an extra bit of runway and we will have airlines running to our door launching
All these glamorous destinations, we all love an airport as we our interested
In aviation but at the end of the day it's a business which wants to make money and will continually look to the future to remain competive in the short term
As well as the long term and with growth predictions showing a future boom in air travel it's fully justified I think. it's was a fact that large planes couldn't reach certain points on the current runway so this now enables it to, so if an airline tomorrow wants to fly JFK it can and in 5 years for example when someone wants to fly to china it can.
I think you would be a fool to expect a list of 10 airlines to announce
A handful of routes by April but as the saying goes "time will tell"
I really don't think the airport directors sat down and said lets spends millions
On an extra bit of runway and we will have airlines running to our door launching
All these glamorous destinations, we all love an airport as we our interested
In aviation but at the end of the day it's a business which wants to make money and will continually look to the future to remain competive in the short term
As well as the long term and with growth predictions showing a future boom in air travel it's fully justified I think. it's was a fact that large planes couldn't reach certain points on the current runway so this now enables it to, so if an airline tomorrow wants to fly JFK it can and in 5 years for example when someone wants to fly to china it can.
I think you would be a fool to expect a list of 10 airlines to announce
A handful of routes by April but as the saying goes "time will tell"
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EGCA.
They had to leave out the 150m starter strip to squeeze it in.However the new A45 was dropped on purpose ,so a bridge can be added over the new road at a later date, to add this and to make it possible for any over run to go into the fields behind.
Have seen 2020/22 mentioned for this.
By that time we will be knee deep in long haul routes needing the extension
Crikey you have me at in now Andrew
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They had to leave out the 150m starter strip to squeeze it in.However the new A45 was dropped on purpose ,so a bridge can be added over the new road at a later date, to add this and to make it possible for any over run to go into the fields behind.
Have seen 2020/22 mentioned for this.
By that time we will be knee deep in long haul routes needing the extension
Crikey you have me at in now Andrew
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Nigel: Point taken. Assumes you over-run on the runway heading, rather than elsewhere!
Anyway if Vince Cable gets his way ( and I credit him with talking common sense most of the time...) he feels we should develop regional airports, ie " those not in the South-East" rather than build a third runway at heathrow, or second at Gatwick etc.
Might just be money well spent at Brum....
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Anyway if Vince Cable gets his way ( and I credit him with talking common sense most of the time...) he feels we should develop regional airports, ie " those not in the South-East" rather than build a third runway at heathrow, or second at Gatwick etc.
Might just be money well spent at Brum....
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Well done to BHX and its staff last night. BHX took over 20 airliner diversions from LHR/LGW/BRS,LTN.
These included a BA 767 and 320, EK 77W, Cyprus A320 and heaps of Easy Jets including at least one new wingleted 320.
They parked them on the remotes and even on the taxiway.
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These included a BA 767 and 320, EK 77W, Cyprus A320 and heaps of Easy Jets including at least one new wingleted 320.
They parked them on the remotes and even on the taxiway.
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Crikey, that's a huge number of diverts! Airport must have been rammed full of aircraft.
Hear hear Nigel, BHX's biggest asset is the staff who work there and I'm sure all involved did an excellent job on what would have been one hell of a busy evening/night! I hope all pax eventually managed to make it to where they wanted to be.
Another storm of the same intensity is now due this Friday.....
Hear hear Nigel, BHX's biggest asset is the staff who work there and I'm sure all involved did an excellent job on what would have been one hell of a busy evening/night! I hope all pax eventually managed to make it to where they wanted to be.
Another storm of the same intensity is now due this Friday.....
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Gayfriendly,
Think the issue with yesterdays storms was that wind direction was slightly unusual being croswinds across LHR/LGW.Fri storm might be more W/SW so might not be as much of an issue ?
Bit bemused about STN as they had worse winds yet nearly all got in and they took a lot of divs. Runway allignment different to LHR/LGW ?
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Think the issue with yesterdays storms was that wind direction was slightly unusual being croswinds across LHR/LGW.Fri storm might be more W/SW so might not be as much of an issue ?
Bit bemused about STN as they had worse winds yet nearly all got in and they took a lot of divs. Runway allignment different to LHR/LGW ?
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Thanks for the praise Nigel and gayfriendly
It certainly was a busy night to say the least!
As the strong winds were southerly it put most flights out of limits to land at south UK airports with their east west runways. Pilots were extremely relieved last night that our runway is north south as they had very little choices where to divert to. Like I've said before, someone needs to have a cross runway as the wind isn't always blowing in the same direction. Last night proved that big time! No flights diverted away from BHX and we only had 1 go around if I recall which landed on the 2nd attempt. Also runway 15 has no ILS due to runway works so all flights were RNAV approaches.
It was one of those very rare shifts where we had exceptional circumstances in challenging weather conditions. Priority was to take as many flights as we could and utilise as much concrete as possible to park them up safely including on the taxiways.
I'd like to say a huge 'well done' to all who worked last night in all parts of the airport! Bear in mind virtually all companies had only skeleton staff on duty due to minimal planned flights. The handling agents had less than 5 ramp staff on duty I believe and some of them volunteered to work over until the morning to help out unloading around 20 aircraft
I hope all the many disrupted passengers and crew got to their destinations eventually and safely in the end. They were very patient surprisingly especially as it was Christmas Eve eve.
There's another storm forecasted for Friday so fingers crossed.
Merry Christmas and a happy new year to fellow Ppruners.
It certainly was a busy night to say the least!
As the strong winds were southerly it put most flights out of limits to land at south UK airports with their east west runways. Pilots were extremely relieved last night that our runway is north south as they had very little choices where to divert to. Like I've said before, someone needs to have a cross runway as the wind isn't always blowing in the same direction. Last night proved that big time! No flights diverted away from BHX and we only had 1 go around if I recall which landed on the 2nd attempt. Also runway 15 has no ILS due to runway works so all flights were RNAV approaches.
It was one of those very rare shifts where we had exceptional circumstances in challenging weather conditions. Priority was to take as many flights as we could and utilise as much concrete as possible to park them up safely including on the taxiways.
I'd like to say a huge 'well done' to all who worked last night in all parts of the airport! Bear in mind virtually all companies had only skeleton staff on duty due to minimal planned flights. The handling agents had less than 5 ramp staff on duty I believe and some of them volunteered to work over until the morning to help out unloading around 20 aircraft
I hope all the many disrupted passengers and crew got to their destinations eventually and safely in the end. They were very patient surprisingly especially as it was Christmas Eve eve.
There's another storm forecasted for Friday so fingers crossed.
Merry Christmas and a happy new year to fellow Ppruners.
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As far as I know, runways at LHR and LGW lie in an east/west direction, with the winds yesterday coming in a mainly southerly direction, that would have accounted for the cross winds yesterday at both. STN the runway I think lies in a slightly more SW/NE direction which helped landing conditions?
The exact path and location of Fridays storm is not 100% - at present the low is centred further south than yesterdays over Northern Ireland so although predicted severe gales in the SE it looks like winds will be from a much more W/SW direction. Watch this space!
As far as I know, runways at LHR and LGW lie in an east/west direction, with the winds yesterday coming in a mainly southerly direction, that would have accounted for the cross winds yesterday at both. STN the runway I think lies in a slightly more SW/NE direction which helped landing conditions?
The exact path and location of Fridays storm is not 100% - at present the low is centred further south than yesterdays over Northern Ireland so although predicted severe gales in the SE it looks like winds will be from a much more W/SW direction. Watch this space!
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Whoops!
Sorry splash&dash, you posted before I had chance to reply to Nigel, apologies for the repeating what you said about the runways
You're very welcome, staff at BHX especially those in ops across the board do not get enough credit for their hard work! Really glad too to see that BHX is playing a more active role than perhaps it can be argued it has done in previous years with diverts, although with yesterdays extraordinary conditions down south they were most certainly not in a position to say no to anyone I would have thought.
Merry Christmas one and all and here's to another eventful year at BHX - it sure will be eventful if Biman do turn up!
You're very welcome, staff at BHX especially those in ops across the board do not get enough credit for their hard work! Really glad too to see that BHX is playing a more active role than perhaps it can be argued it has done in previous years with diverts, although with yesterdays extraordinary conditions down south they were most certainly not in a position to say no to anyone I would have thought.
Merry Christmas one and all and here's to another eventful year at BHX - it sure will be eventful if Biman do turn up!
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Gayfriendly,
Thanks for the info,
Yes agree, take a pat on the back Splash n dash and all those hard working staff at BHX a great credit.As GF says you don't get enough credit.
Will see what Fri brings although weather circs like yesterday with southerly strong winds are not that common.
Although a similar scenerio in the late 70s produced an even larger number mostly from LHR, think it was over 40..gulp I was a mere lad then
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Thanks for the info,
Yes agree, take a pat on the back Splash n dash and all those hard working staff at BHX a great credit.As GF says you don't get enough credit.
Will see what Fri brings although weather circs like yesterday with southerly strong winds are not that common.
Although a similar scenerio in the late 70s produced an even larger number mostly from LHR, think it was over 40..gulp I was a mere lad then
Nigel
Just as a matter of interest, not all airlines can do the RNAV approach onto 15 yet, so they have to fly the NDB approach in heading & vertical speed instead. Hard work in those sort of winds.
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November International route analysis
Sources
Passengers figures: CAA
Average per flight: Local SBS Log
Load Factor: Estimates based on seat maps
The overall figure for the month was excellent but not always showing on certain routes.
It is the winter schedules and that has to be remembered but some are disappointing such as Berlin, Hamburg, Gibraltar and Stockholm. Some routes which operated for a few days of the month have been omitted.
Air India continues to show promise with Turkmen recovering as well and Newark operated more this November and with a good load factor. Emirates also had a good month with few three-class aircraft.
airport................ 2013....... pax....%............2012
BRUSSELS............8965........ 44.....56%......... 9175
LARNACA..............3297....... 174... 82%.......... 2959
BILLUND................633.........15.... 31%...............0
COPENHAGEN.........6808........76....79%..........7180
SHARM EL.............4732....... 182... 84%.......... 3515
LYON...................2603....... 52.....59%...............0
PARIS (CDG).........29817.......96.... 78%..........29550
BERLIN (TXL)..........3035.......69....48%...........5084
DUSSELDORF........17665........55....61%......... 15967
FRANKFURT..........23393........97... 63%......... 21494
HAMBURG..............1881........38....42%...........2896
HANOVER..............3589........62....75%............3582
MUNICH...............13866...... .88....72%..........14681
STUTTGART...........3648...... .44....57%...........2511
GIBRALTAR............2304....... 96.....55%................0
AMRITSAR.............7108...... 209... 83%................0
CORK...................5942....... 48.... 67%............6404
DUBLIN...............52346...... 120.. 72%.......... 46236
KNOCK............... 1356 .........40... 51%............2166
SHANNON........... 2164 .........36....75%............3005
WATERFORD........1725 .........51....65%............1260
BERGAMO........... 3555 .......137.... 72%.............2002
MILAN (MXP).......3244 .........54....57%............2581
ROME (FCO)........2644......... 132... 71%............4180
MALTA...............2927 .......163.... 86%............3096
AMSTERDAM....... 37124.........88... 78%.......... 37963
ISLAMABAD .........7835........ 206....57%...........6879
BYDGOSZCZ....... 4432 ........170... 90%............4017
KATOWICE .........2837........ 158... 83%............2527
KRAKOW .........2475 ........155... 82%............2272
RZESZOW.......... 2532......... 158... 84%............3169
FARO................ 6900 ........164... 83%............7171
FUNCHAL............2361 ........131... 64%............2018
BRATISLAVA....... 2957 ........164... 87%............2964
ALICANTE .......11362.........162... 84%.......... 12619
BARCELONA ........4584 ........153... 81%............4088
MALAGA...........11329.......... 154... 80%.......... 11653
PALMA............... 1150 .........96....49%............3098
ARRECIFE... ........7834 ........154... 80%............7203
FUERTEVENTURA 3520 ........160... 80%............3837
LAS PALMAS....... 2854 ........143... 71%............3182
TENERIFE .......12141 ........169... 83%.......... 13463
GOTEBORG..........1256...........25... 51%.................0
STOCKHOLM........1592 .........66... 53%............3896
ZURICH...............7248..........71... 71%............8309
ISTANBUL...........7708 .........92... 60%............6268
ASHKHABAD ........4663......... 137... 72%............5251
DUBAI................42710........356... 83%...........38568
NEW YORK (EWR) .7491 ........149... 88%............6841
Pete
Passengers figures: CAA
Average per flight: Local SBS Log
Load Factor: Estimates based on seat maps
The overall figure for the month was excellent but not always showing on certain routes.
It is the winter schedules and that has to be remembered but some are disappointing such as Berlin, Hamburg, Gibraltar and Stockholm. Some routes which operated for a few days of the month have been omitted.
Air India continues to show promise with Turkmen recovering as well and Newark operated more this November and with a good load factor. Emirates also had a good month with few three-class aircraft.
airport................ 2013....... pax....%............2012
BRUSSELS............8965........ 44.....56%......... 9175
LARNACA..............3297....... 174... 82%.......... 2959
BILLUND................633.........15.... 31%...............0
COPENHAGEN.........6808........76....79%..........7180
SHARM EL.............4732....... 182... 84%.......... 3515
LYON...................2603....... 52.....59%...............0
PARIS (CDG).........29817.......96.... 78%..........29550
BERLIN (TXL)..........3035.......69....48%...........5084
DUSSELDORF........17665........55....61%......... 15967
FRANKFURT..........23393........97... 63%......... 21494
HAMBURG..............1881........38....42%...........2896
HANOVER..............3589........62....75%............3582
MUNICH...............13866...... .88....72%..........14681
STUTTGART...........3648...... .44....57%...........2511
GIBRALTAR............2304....... 96.....55%................0
AMRITSAR.............7108...... 209... 83%................0
CORK...................5942....... 48.... 67%............6404
DUBLIN...............52346...... 120.. 72%.......... 46236
KNOCK............... 1356 .........40... 51%............2166
SHANNON........... 2164 .........36....75%............3005
WATERFORD........1725 .........51....65%............1260
BERGAMO........... 3555 .......137.... 72%.............2002
MILAN (MXP).......3244 .........54....57%............2581
ROME (FCO)........2644......... 132... 71%............4180
MALTA...............2927 .......163.... 86%............3096
AMSTERDAM....... 37124.........88... 78%.......... 37963
ISLAMABAD .........7835........ 206....57%...........6879
BYDGOSZCZ....... 4432 ........170... 90%............4017
KATOWICE .........2837........ 158... 83%............2527
KRAKOW .........2475 ........155... 82%............2272
RZESZOW.......... 2532......... 158... 84%............3169
FARO................ 6900 ........164... 83%............7171
FUNCHAL............2361 ........131... 64%............2018
BRATISLAVA....... 2957 ........164... 87%............2964
ALICANTE .......11362.........162... 84%.......... 12619
BARCELONA ........4584 ........153... 81%............4088
MALAGA...........11329.......... 154... 80%.......... 11653
PALMA............... 1150 .........96....49%............3098
ARRECIFE... ........7834 ........154... 80%............7203
FUERTEVENTURA 3520 ........160... 80%............3837
LAS PALMAS....... 2854 ........143... 71%............3182
TENERIFE .......12141 ........169... 83%.......... 13463
GOTEBORG..........1256...........25... 51%.................0
STOCKHOLM........1592 .........66... 53%............3896
ZURICH...............7248..........71... 71%............8309
ISTANBUL...........7708 .........92... 60%............6268
ASHKHABAD ........4663......... 137... 72%............5251
DUBAI................42710........356... 83%...........38568
NEW YORK (EWR) .7491 ........149... 88%............6841
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Surprised at PMI load factor. Must be a fair few in there for the chop, Billund, Milan., Gibraltar and Knock must all be for the chop at some point as those loads are not unique to recent months