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Stoney Bridge Radar,
Nit picking but all these are in Eastern Europe and beyond as the article states , they could quite easily announce some Western Europe destinations soon.
So far Qatar have not announced any new Western Europe routes for 2013.
If the BHX EK figures keep increasing can see them having another look if EK don't go 3 a day.
The fact that they are joining One World who don't fly into BHX might be a negative impact though.
You never know with Qatar, they actually announced Helsinki at a joint press conference with the airport 2 yrs ago and they are still waiting.
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Nit picking but all these are in Eastern Europe and beyond as the article states , they could quite easily announce some Western Europe destinations soon.
So far Qatar have not announced any new Western Europe routes for 2013.
If the BHX EK figures keep increasing can see them having another look if EK don't go 3 a day.
The fact that they are joining One World who don't fly into BHX might be a negative impact though.
You never know with Qatar, they actually announced Helsinki at a joint press conference with the airport 2 yrs ago and they are still waiting.
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Yes they are doing one off flights at other UK airports next summer think CWL NCL mentioned in their threads but could be others.
They are expanding out of MAN with Condor and Fly Be are to feed these flights.
Seems very odd to position a plane in with crew for a one off return flight. Either they have a plane sitting around doing nothing on these dates in April or they are testing demand out of BHX for possible expansion in 2015
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Yes they are doing one off flights at other UK airports next summer think CWL NCL mentioned in their threads but could be others.
They are expanding out of MAN with Condor and Fly Be are to feed these flights.
Seems very odd to position a plane in with crew for a one off return flight. Either they have a plane sitting around doing nothing on these dates in April or they are testing demand out of BHX for possible expansion in 2015
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Further evidence of Turkish Airlines' commitment to BHX and the Midlands came today with a partner deal struck with Premier club Aston Villa. They have previously featured one leading Euopean club in their fleet so will we now see the 'claret and blue' flying into Birmingham?
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You are aware that Orlando is NOT on the coast so NO cruises origionate from there, the nearest cruise port to Orlando is at Port Canaveral which is approx 45 miles away.
You are aware that Orlando is NOT on the coast so NO cruises origionate from there, the nearest cruise port to Orlando is at Port Canaveral which is approx 45 miles away.
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Yes the Long haul flights westbound are TCX metal with pax from Germany connecting in on Lufthansa whilst eastbound flights operate from FRA
on Condor metal with MAN pax transfering on Lufthansa to FRA, flights will operate with joint TCX/DE numbers. Condor will also base a B757 at MAN to operate to PMI.
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Yes the Long haul flights westbound are TCX metal with pax from Germany connecting in on Lufthansa whilst eastbound flights operate from FRA
on Condor metal with MAN pax transfering on Lufthansa to FRA, flights will operate with joint TCX/DE numbers. Condor will also base a B757 at MAN to operate to PMI.
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Thomas Cook UK and Condor as effectively moving to a single business group and are in a state of transition.
Manchester and Frankfurt long haul are to become quasi scheduled operations and share both flight codes.
The UK operation of services to Orlando Las Vegas and the Caribbean Isle that start in December will be supplemented by feed from Exeter,Norwich and Scottish cities via Flybe services and from Germany via LH interline connections.
The Eastern routes are sold from the UK with LH interline connections however it is certain that we can expect a Thailand flight originating from Manchester in winter 2015.
Manchester will shortly receive an additional A332 (ex BMI) specifically for the Caribbean routes - An aircraft that previously plied those very routes !
The winter schedule should increase and require three A332 with one as usual sent to Scandinavia along with the return of OY-VKF.
Summer 2014 will see four plus OY-VKF back.
Beyond summer 2014 further co-ordination may well see Condor transferring some B76W models to the UK market.
Regretfully none of this is BHX related.
Manchester and Frankfurt long haul are to become quasi scheduled operations and share both flight codes.
The UK operation of services to Orlando Las Vegas and the Caribbean Isle that start in December will be supplemented by feed from Exeter,Norwich and Scottish cities via Flybe services and from Germany via LH interline connections.
The Eastern routes are sold from the UK with LH interline connections however it is certain that we can expect a Thailand flight originating from Manchester in winter 2015.
Manchester will shortly receive an additional A332 (ex BMI) specifically for the Caribbean routes - An aircraft that previously plied those very routes !
The winter schedule should increase and require three A332 with one as usual sent to Scandinavia along with the return of OY-VKF.
Summer 2014 will see four plus OY-VKF back.
Beyond summer 2014 further co-ordination may well see Condor transferring some B76W models to the UK market.
Regretfully none of this is BHX related.
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Rutankrd.
I find this really bizarr ?
Obviously they know what they are doing , but why fly German passengers to Manchester when surely its easier for them to just get on a long haul plane in Germany ?
Will they therefore route MAN passengers to Germany on LH for long hauls going east towards Thailand etc from Germany on Condor ?
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I find this really bizarr ?
Obviously they know what they are doing , but why fly German passengers to Manchester when surely its easier for them to just get on a long haul plane in Germany ?
Will they therefore route MAN passengers to Germany on LH for long hauls going east towards Thailand etc from Germany on Condor ?
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Sorry Chaps,
Yes you explain it well ,
still not sure how it beats passengers going direct.
If I was German non stop with Air Berlin to the States, and TOM direct from the UK to Thailand with better legroom and a faster plane (787) unless the TCX is much cheaper its crazy !
Nigel
Yes you explain it well ,
still not sure how it beats passengers going direct.
If I was German non stop with Air Berlin to the States, and TOM direct from the UK to Thailand with better legroom and a faster plane (787) unless the TCX is much cheaper its crazy !
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Its no more or less extraordinary than any other Hub and Spoke operation by the legacies.
This is a quasi scheduled service operation.
As it stands today you are right that the leisure UK-Thailand market stalled in the recession. Thomson are returning to the market from Gatwick this winter and from winter 2015 further UK originating flights will operate almost certainly from Manchester.
Right now through you will have to contend with a multiple stop routing however you want to travel from the UK to Phuket or Lankawi.
This plan is not bazaar just TCX/CFG thinking out the box.
Would not be surprised if TUi follow suit. They already share aircraft around the group.
This might well be the way forward for long haul leisure to survive.
As for AB well again they are in transition away from the LCC basement, however they have yet to commit there undivided loyalties.
Are they really committed to Oneworld or moving ever closer to Skyteam and Etihad - thats a quandary
This is a quasi scheduled service operation.
As it stands today you are right that the leisure UK-Thailand market stalled in the recession. Thomson are returning to the market from Gatwick this winter and from winter 2015 further UK originating flights will operate almost certainly from Manchester.
Right now through you will have to contend with a multiple stop routing however you want to travel from the UK to Phuket or Lankawi.
This plan is not bazaar just TCX/CFG thinking out the box.
Would not be surprised if TUi follow suit. They already share aircraft around the group.
This might well be the way forward for long haul leisure to survive.
As for AB well again they are in transition away from the LCC basement, however they have yet to commit there undivided loyalties.
Are they really committed to Oneworld or moving ever closer to Skyteam and Etihad - thats a quandary
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TOM have set the standard with their 787 package, thats the mark other charter airlines are going to have to match.
Thats going to be the way forward, non stop , 34" pitch, seat back TVs, dimmable much bigger windows and faster than the any of TCX planes..
Which is why we are booked with them to Florida next year.Will be off the plane at Sandford and on our way to International Drive before the TCX machine approaches the coast !
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TOM have set the standard with their 787 package, thats the mark other charter airlines are going to have to match.
Thats going to be the way forward, non stop , 34" pitch, seat back TVs, dimmable much bigger windows and faster than the any of TCX planes..
Which is why we are booked with them to Florida next year.Will be off the plane at Sandford and on our way to International Drive before the TCX machine approaches the coast !
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No sign of any long haul charter expansion @ BHX despite runway extension next year (apart from that random one off TCX Orlando!)......TCX have publicly stated that MAN is to be their long haul UK hub thanks to the benefit of being able to attract extra pax from UK regions through BE connections.
I think TOM best chance for seeing new routes at BHX, I can't see HKT but perhaps a couple more Caribbean destinations? The Dom Rep is a big hole, TOM is launching Punta Cana from GLA next summer on the 787. Surely TOM must be evaluating the potential for new routes with the runway being extended at BHX?
I think TOM best chance for seeing new routes at BHX, I can't see HKT but perhaps a couple more Caribbean destinations? The Dom Rep is a big hole, TOM is launching Punta Cana from GLA next summer on the 787. Surely TOM must be evaluating the potential for new routes with the runway being extended at BHX?
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Chinapattern,
Slightly more likely when the runway extension opens as its possible to do it nonstop then.
However not sure it would be in the near term , unless an airline who can;t get slots at LHR moves a service to BHX which seems pretty unlikely.
Nigel
Slightly more likely when the runway extension opens as its possible to do it nonstop then.
However not sure it would be in the near term , unless an airline who can;t get slots at LHR moves a service to BHX which seems pretty unlikely.
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GAYFRIENDLY,
BHX would no doubt get a 787 based all week if they didn't split their long haul programme now in the Midlands, between EMA and BHX ,although its not a shared aircraft.
I would have said MON were the most likely as they seem to love BHX. However with no early sign of long haul expansion with new planes, doesn't seem likely for a while.
Perhaps Air Berlin will follow Condor at MAN and do some long haul flights from BHX
Nigel.
BHX would no doubt get a 787 based all week if they didn't split their long haul programme now in the Midlands, between EMA and BHX ,although its not a shared aircraft.
I would have said MON were the most likely as they seem to love BHX. However with no early sign of long haul expansion with new planes, doesn't seem likely for a while.
Perhaps Air Berlin will follow Condor at MAN and do some long haul flights from BHX
Nigel.
