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TK/EIR
Turkish - definitely 10 a week in winter at present.
Aer Lingus Regional - Wow some massive climbdown with Dublin virtually disappeared with a just two flights in the week and a few at the weekend.
It appears Knock has gone for winter but Cork remains at three on Monday and Friday.
I assume the six a day in the week this summer was aimed at added connectivity to the US but at times you could actually fly cheaper direct on United?
Pete
Aer Lingus Regional - Wow some massive climbdown with Dublin virtually disappeared with a just two flights in the week and a few at the weekend.
It appears Knock has gone for winter but Cork remains at three on Monday and Friday.
I assume the six a day in the week this summer was aimed at added connectivity to the US but at times you could actually fly cheaper direct on United?
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I just wonder if EIR drop NOC over winter will BE appear? I couldn't see them passing up on that one somehow, given they will operate EDI-NOC over winter which has far lower loads than BHX. I noticed the DUB cutbacks also, hope some of that can be restored. NOC produced some high volumes for mytravellite and bmibaby, currently seems FR are benefitting at EMA.
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Some disappointing news from yesterday that I haven't seen reported on here yet is that BMR are dropping Lyon at the end of the summer.
It's good news for Flybe though who still offer 6 flights a week compared to BMRs' 3.Not sure if it this schedule will carry on throughout the winter though.
It will be interesting to see if BMR try a different route with the spare capacity or even if they are looking at changing/dropping other routes from BHX.Let's face it the numbers haven't been that good although I think there has been some improvement recently on 1 or 2 of the services.Let's hope that improvement continues.
It's good news for Flybe though who still offer 6 flights a week compared to BMRs' 3.Not sure if it this schedule will carry on throughout the winter though.
It will be interesting to see if BMR try a different route with the spare capacity or even if they are looking at changing/dropping other routes from BHX.Let's face it the numbers haven't been that good although I think there has been some improvement recently on 1 or 2 of the services.Let's hope that improvement continues.
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Re BMIR the Billund figures are poor so this might go too unless they pick up.
Unless they are able to secure fuel efficient planes not sure how long BMIR can survive. Most Western Countries are shedding the 145s as its not economically viable to fly 48 seater classic jets at current fuel prices.
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Re BMIR the Billund figures are poor so this might go too unless they pick up.
Unless they are able to secure fuel efficient planes not sure how long BMIR can survive. Most Western Countries are shedding the 145s as its not economically viable to fly 48 seater classic jets at current fuel prices.
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Not the same RJ's! 
Modern EFIS jets that burn less fuel than a q400, although 49 seats vs 78! and preferred by pax to props!
BMIR's biggest problem is they are not very well known as even existing by the traveling public. I wish them luck, I hope they do well.
Modern EFIS jets that burn less fuel than a q400, although 49 seats vs 78! and preferred by pax to props!BMIR's biggest problem is they are not very well known as even existing by the traveling public. I wish them luck, I hope they do well.
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BMIR Lyon cancellation
I think that this was always coming , The only airline that FLYbe can actually bully off a route , now that they have succceded i hope they don't go back to reducing and/or mish mashing schedules which they are quite fond of.
As for BMIR , well they need to find a route with no competition and not necessarily lots of pax but certainly a steady amount of business passengers....easier said than done.
Of the routes needed at BHX LIS/MAD/BUD & PRG are not suitable , so maybe a scandinavian route such as Oslo (yes i know Birmingham european tried that and failed but we are talking EMB145 and not one eleven) . Apart from that maybe their other base at Bremen or even better in my opinion would be go double daily TLS at decent times..
As for BMIR , well they need to find a route with no competition and not necessarily lots of pax but certainly a steady amount of business passengers....easier said than done.
Of the routes needed at BHX LIS/MAD/BUD & PRG are not suitable , so maybe a scandinavian route such as Oslo (yes i know Birmingham european tried that and failed but we are talking EMB145 and not one eleven) . Apart from that maybe their other base at Bremen or even better in my opinion would be go double daily TLS at decent times..
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BMIR/MAERSK/DUO
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Just a thought,as Maersk/Duo operated CRJ200/700 aircraft,were the operating economics similar to the BMR Embraer costs.Not only that the majority of the CRJs were brand new at the time of operation.Apart from the first few delivered to British Midland weren't some of the ERJs second hand.I stand to be corrected on this but surely that could also have a bearing on overall costs and maintenance.Not suggesting the aircraft are unreliable just that as aircraft get older they tend to spend more time in a hangar for whatever reason.
On the subject of right aircraft for the routes served what else could BMR use.
Dash 400Q,ATR76,or even Bombardier CSeries.Surely buying/leasing new aircraft would be more beneficial than second hand aircraft.More likely BMR just don't have the available funds to replace the ERJs and are therefore stuck with them which is a shame.I'm reliably informed that the company actually offer a pretty good service.Let's hope something good happens for them in the near future.
Just a thought,as Maersk/Duo operated CRJ200/700 aircraft,were the operating economics similar to the BMR Embraer costs.Not only that the majority of the CRJs were brand new at the time of operation.Apart from the first few delivered to British Midland weren't some of the ERJs second hand.I stand to be corrected on this but surely that could also have a bearing on overall costs and maintenance.Not suggesting the aircraft are unreliable just that as aircraft get older they tend to spend more time in a hangar for whatever reason.
On the subject of right aircraft for the routes served what else could BMR use.
Dash 400Q,ATR76,or even Bombardier CSeries.Surely buying/leasing new aircraft would be more beneficial than second hand aircraft.More likely BMR just don't have the available funds to replace the ERJs and are therefore stuck with them which is a shame.I'm reliably informed that the company actually offer a pretty good service.Let's hope something good happens for them in the near future.
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Getonittt - It's nothing to do its bullying tactics - that is a sad truth in children's playgrounds. Flights which are affordable and more convenient will be more popular than those that are expensive and usually that is what sees one airline succeed on a route and another pull off it.
BMI use costly aircraft which must hit the ticket prices. Why pay £300 for a flight which an hour later on another carrier costs £150? They are the same principles that have seen Flybe back away from routes such as IOM-BLK (albeit Loganair) and let the competitor have the monopoly.
Flybe always intended to operate LYS and had it on their schedules for a while its just they were too stupid to actually announce it and then BMI announced their intentions.
BMI are better suited to niche business routes which will see high yield. Routes that are not served from regions or do not offer a product suitable to high fare paying passengers. They will never be able to achieve low cost airline status
BMI use costly aircraft which must hit the ticket prices. Why pay £300 for a flight which an hour later on another carrier costs £150? They are the same principles that have seen Flybe back away from routes such as IOM-BLK (albeit Loganair) and let the competitor have the monopoly.
Flybe always intended to operate LYS and had it on their schedules for a while its just they were too stupid to actually announce it and then BMI announced their intentions.
BMI are better suited to niche business routes which will see high yield. Routes that are not served from regions or do not offer a product suitable to high fare paying passengers. They will never be able to achieve low cost airline status
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Suitable routes for BMIR from BHX
I'm really struggling to think of possible routes that BMIR could make a success of, other than the ones they've got (TLS, BLL and GOT all being good business routes that will be supported by companies with Midland connections).
Primarily leisure destination just won't work, destinations such as LIS and MAD will be best served by carriers that enable interlining to long haul destinations - and that means being a member of a major alliance.
Turin might work, as it's industrial base is similar to the West Midlands - in the same way that STR works for FlyBe. Vienna possibly, even my old stamping ground (Nürnberg) perhaps - but at a daily frequency - well I doubt it, not even LCY could sustain the NUE route. Oslo might be worth a punt, perhaps.
Really though, I do struggle to see a future for BMIR, without membership of an alliance, and with those 'orrible, expensive Embraers.
Primarily leisure destination just won't work, destinations such as LIS and MAD will be best served by carriers that enable interlining to long haul destinations - and that means being a member of a major alliance.
Turin might work, as it's industrial base is similar to the West Midlands - in the same way that STR works for FlyBe. Vienna possibly, even my old stamping ground (Nürnberg) perhaps - but at a daily frequency - well I doubt it, not even LCY could sustain the NUE route. Oslo might be worth a punt, perhaps.
Really though, I do struggle to see a future for BMIR, without membership of an alliance, and with those 'orrible, expensive Embraers.
Just a thought,as Maersk/Duo operated CRJ200/700 aircraft,were the operating economics similar to the BMR Embraer costs.
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OT @ATNotts: LCY-NUE is still flown 11/7
For bmir VIE would be an attractice option if it wasn't for the length of the sector. I can't see BRE or CGN being viable - both too close to HAM/HAJ/DUS // DUS/FRA respectively. Maybe Oslo would indeed be a worthwhile shot to try.
For bmir VIE would be an attractice option if it wasn't for the length of the sector. I can't see BRE or CGN being viable - both too close to HAM/HAJ/DUS // DUS/FRA respectively. Maybe Oslo would indeed be a worthwhile shot to try.
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I posted BMIR Lyon had been taken off sale as early as 20 July and I have been surprised even by airlineroutes standards it took them so long to pick that up.
They still have a few possibilities such as VIE, GVA or Oslo although although those destinations have had ups and downs over the years. You would have also thought that they would have announced a new route for winter by now.
Cloud1 Choice words re BHX - LYS. I don't know who was to blame (BE or AF) for the delay but I would like to know why there wasn't a seemless takeover when Air France (Brit Air) pulled off the route. We knew well in advance that the Brit Air the 50 seat CRJ were leaving the fleet and you would have thought that as the two airlines code-share on CDG some kind of discussions must have gone on.
It was not as if the route was struggling for passengers with 65-75% load factors acheived most of the year by Brit Air and although I have little doubt that probably was not sufficient for them to operate profitably, flybe had just got the 175 to add to the and less than busy Q400's. At the time I really did not understand the delay and if there is no such thing as a nailed on route from BHX this one comes pretty close.
However all seems to be well now but if I was BMIR I would have been frustrated at the timing of flybe's announcement to say the least.
easyjet
Nothing extra from today's release, I was hoping for a third Belfast frequency on a Monday and even Sunday but almost given up on a year-round GVA and as I said on the BMIR thread maybe one for them.
Pete
I posted BMIR Lyon had been taken off sale as early as 20 July and I have been surprised even by airlineroutes standards it took them so long to pick that up.
They still have a few possibilities such as VIE, GVA or Oslo although although those destinations have had ups and downs over the years. You would have also thought that they would have announced a new route for winter by now.
Cloud1 Choice words re BHX - LYS. I don't know who was to blame (BE or AF) for the delay but I would like to know why there wasn't a seemless takeover when Air France (Brit Air) pulled off the route. We knew well in advance that the Brit Air the 50 seat CRJ were leaving the fleet and you would have thought that as the two airlines code-share on CDG some kind of discussions must have gone on.
It was not as if the route was struggling for passengers with 65-75% load factors acheived most of the year by Brit Air and although I have little doubt that probably was not sufficient for them to operate profitably, flybe had just got the 175 to add to the and less than busy Q400's. At the time I really did not understand the delay and if there is no such thing as a nailed on route from BHX this one comes pretty close.
However all seems to be well now but if I was BMIR I would have been frustrated at the timing of flybe's announcement to say the least.
easyjet
Nothing extra from today's release, I was hoping for a third Belfast frequency on a Monday and even Sunday but almost given up on a year-round GVA and as I said on the BMIR thread maybe one for them.
Pete
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Had there been an all 737 fleet like BAR plus the proper marketing that was owed to us then we would have been in a better position.
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I'm guessing that this is the one-off Easter charter that appeared, disappeared, re-appeared a while back? Does seem a bit odd to list a one-off flight as a new service. Shame it's not running the entire summer.
I'm guessing that this is the one-off Easter charter that appeared, disappeared, re-appeared a while back? Does seem a bit odd to list a one-off flight as a new service. Shame it's not running the entire summer.
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To avoid any further short term speculation, Qatar does not include BHX in their winter '13/'14 expansion announcement and plans.
Qatar Airways announces frequency increases | Qatar Airways | AMEinfo.com
Qatar Airways announces frequency increases | Qatar Airways | AMEinfo.com