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The CAA figures publish Friday were incorrect as far as BHX is concerned and they were quickly withdrawn and still have not been re-instated.
Hopefully the correct numbers will be uploaded in the next few days.
Lets hope that EK figure was wrong.
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The CAA figures publish Friday were incorrect as far as BHX is concerned and they were quickly withdrawn and still have not been re-instated.
Hopefully the correct numbers will be uploaded in the next few days.
Lets hope that EK figure was wrong.
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Your not following the BHX EK passenger figures I assume then as the previous 2 months both saw fairly good increases on 2012 May and June.
If the July drop continues( I have yet to see the July 2013 figures, but assume reports are correct) in each of the next 4 months then I will agree with you.
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Your not following the BHX EK passenger figures I assume then as the previous 2 months both saw fairly good increases on 2012 May and June.
If the July drop continues( I have yet to see the July 2013 figures, but assume reports are correct) in each of the next 4 months then I will agree with you.
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EK - 12 flights a day to DXB from 3 UK airports within 200 miles of each other (8 of which are on the A380) that's a lot of seats to fill and keep yield up. Something will eventually have to give: right now (if those figures are correct) it's the little airport in the middle.
Am sure EK will stay at BHX but such decreases are not sustainable in the long term on such a mature route that has seen more decreases than increases in the last 12 months. A cause for concern.
Am sure EK will stay at BHX but such decreases are not sustainable in the long term on such a mature route that has seen more decreases than increases in the last 12 months. A cause for concern.
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I totally believe that EK are committed to BHX regardless of how many flights they operate a day or whatever aircraft they operate. There has been a lot of talk about figures and in my view regardless of who produces them only EK will decide how BHX is managed. I also hear that EK possibly helped fund the extension of the runway in order to eventually I repeat eventually have a full 380 operation. I also believe that EK would like a full 380 operation throughout the UK.
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EK - 12 flights a day to DXB from 3 UK airports within 200 miles of each
other (8 of which are on the A380)
other (8 of which are on the A380)
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Crewmeal,
Not sure about EK funding the runway extension for A380s. It can operate off the current runway direct as the one did that came
Thre passenger load was held at a 77W in case the A380 was cancelled or went tech.Its only for flights more than 7 hours that will need the extension.
Can't believe the number of posts Im seeing about poor figures at BHX leading to EK demise here. The last two sets of figures both showed increases and the official July figures are not yet released.
So lets wait and see what happens the next few months before BHX is written off.
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Not sure about EK funding the runway extension for A380s. It can operate off the current runway direct as the one did that came
Thre passenger load was held at a 77W in case the A380 was cancelled or went tech.Its only for flights more than 7 hours that will need the extension.
Can't believe the number of posts Im seeing about poor figures at BHX leading to EK demise here. The last two sets of figures both showed increases and the official July figures are not yet released.
So lets wait and see what happens the next few months before BHX is written off.
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Absolutely right Nigel.
This is turning into the home of pessimism
No expansion is not the same thing as a crisis or a prelude to a withdrawal.
Good grief guys get a grip.
Emirates offer a very good service to BHX, glass half full and all that
This is turning into the home of pessimism
No expansion is not the same thing as a crisis or a prelude to a withdrawal.
Good grief guys get a grip.
Emirates offer a very good service to BHX, glass half full and all that
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Yes , by paying their landing fees like everyone else .
Nigel
Most of them yours..
EK had a good month , up 8%
Now , please...Everyone calm down ....
I also hear that EK possibly helped fund the extension of the runway
Nigel
Can't believe the number of posts Im seeing about poor figures at BHX leading to EK demise here
EK had a good month , up 8%
Now , please...Everyone calm down ....
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Phew, that's a relief! Revised CAA July stats show: BHX - Dubai
38,663 +8%
38,663 +8%
Was picking a friend up from BHX last Thurs eve, AI check in looked very busy indeed, good to see (although not sure how many of those I saw were indeed actually travelling)
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This may mean nothing, but, I've just noticed that the Aston Villa media channel AVTV have signed contracts with three airlines to provide a quarterly program about the club on their in-flight entertainment.
The airlines are Jet Airways, Malaysian Airlines and ANA. We've already seen companies such as Genting specifically use sponsorship at Aston Villa, to increase their profile in the midlands for their new casino near the airport. Can anyone else see this as potential links to increase the airlines' profiles in Birmingham for after the runway extension's completion or just coincidence?
The airlines are Jet Airways, Malaysian Airlines and ANA. We've already seen companies such as Genting specifically use sponsorship at Aston Villa, to increase their profile in the midlands for their new casino near the airport. Can anyone else see this as potential links to increase the airlines' profiles in Birmingham for after the runway extension's completion or just coincidence?
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Although I like your optimism I think it is just a case of Aston Villa getting in on the sponsorship act.There are many football clubs with various deals with airlines as i'm sure most on this forum will be aware of.In fact some airlines have multiple deals up and down the country.Flybe had a deal with Birmingham CIty and Southampton running at the same time.The airline being a major player at the respective city airports.So I can see your point.
I also believe that Jet are to start flying MAN-DEL quite soon in a joint deal with Etihad,who are a major sponsor of Man City.
Being a bit of a cynic I think Villa may actually be doing a disservice to BHX by advertising a service from its main rival.
Now Malaysian is a different thing altogether.Wouldn't that be a coup???
On the other popular topic re EK loads there does seem to be some confusion about the accurate figures.I was told that July had been a good month all round as far as pax numbers went by someone I work with,so to see the negative postings surprised me a bit.We'll have to wait for good old OP to put us out of our misery on this but i think it is great news for all concerned.Onwards and upwards as they say.
Although I like your optimism I think it is just a case of Aston Villa getting in on the sponsorship act.There are many football clubs with various deals with airlines as i'm sure most on this forum will be aware of.In fact some airlines have multiple deals up and down the country.Flybe had a deal with Birmingham CIty and Southampton running at the same time.The airline being a major player at the respective city airports.So I can see your point.
I also believe that Jet are to start flying MAN-DEL quite soon in a joint deal with Etihad,who are a major sponsor of Man City.
Being a bit of a cynic I think Villa may actually be doing a disservice to BHX by advertising a service from its main rival.
Now Malaysian is a different thing altogether.Wouldn't that be a coup???
On the other popular topic re EK loads there does seem to be some confusion about the accurate figures.I was told that July had been a good month all round as far as pax numbers went by someone I work with,so to see the negative postings surprised me a bit.We'll have to wait for good old OP to put us out of our misery on this but i think it is great news for all concerned.Onwards and upwards as they say.
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I admit a bit of optimism but do understand that football clubs are primarily run to make money not advertise, just thought it was an interesting choice of airlines seeing as ANA have been touted for a potential new long haul airline after the extension. Jet have also been rumoured on and off for years since AI left, obviously now that might not be a very high possibility as AI are back. As for Malaysian that could just be down to Villa's increasing fan base in the Far East.
Just wondered if it was just good timing with the runway due to be completed next year and that Villa have never really pushed for any airline deals at all.
I admit a bit of optimism but do understand that football clubs are primarily run to make money not advertise, just thought it was an interesting choice of airlines seeing as ANA have been touted for a potential new long haul airline after the extension. Jet have also been rumoured on and off for years since AI left, obviously now that might not be a very high possibility as AI are back. As for Malaysian that could just be down to Villa's increasing fan base in the Far East.
Just wondered if it was just good timing with the runway due to be completed next year and that Villa have never really pushed for any airline deals at all.
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I do understand what you are saying and to a point I agree.Perhaps I shouldn't admit this here but as a Villa fan I have seen a number of airlines advertised at
Villa Park over the years.I've often wondered,"what if",then the opposition score
and i'm brought back to reality.
Incidently by suggesting we could get a service to Japan will have them howling in derision up north.How dare anyone get something before them.
Having an American owner I am surprised Villa haven't tried to go down that route.As I understand it Villas' profile in the USA has increased quite a bit and with us needing certainly the ORD service back I thought that might have been an opportunity.
An interesting subject.What do others think?
I do understand what you are saying and to a point I agree.Perhaps I shouldn't admit this here but as a Villa fan I have seen a number of airlines advertised at
Villa Park over the years.I've often wondered,"what if",then the opposition score
and i'm brought back to reality.
Incidently by suggesting we could get a service to Japan will have them howling in derision up north.How dare anyone get something before them.
Having an American owner I am surprised Villa haven't tried to go down that route.As I understand it Villas' profile in the USA has increased quite a bit and with us needing certainly the ORD service back I thought that might have been an opportunity.
An interesting subject.What do others think?
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I know the feeling at villa park, but I've only ever really noticed Thomas Cook advertised, at the televised matches I understand that some of Sky Sports' connections and also the other teams sponsors get advertised.
Interestingly the article on the Villa website ends with this - "But we continue to try and grow the brand further. In fact, we are planning to significantly add to our current airline number over the coming weeks and months ahead."
Maybe the American links could be included in future deals that are said to be significant. I do personally think it may be more than a coincidence that as the airport nears a state of being able to accept long(er) haul flights Villa, one of twenty teams in possibly one of the best positions of advertising in the world by being a Premier League football team is suddenly having deals with airlines. And bearing in mind that with these airlines on board, part of Birmingham is going to be on the screens of flights across, Japan, India and Malaysia with this move.
The only airline I can think of having dedicated teams channels/programs are Emirates with Arsenal, PSG, Real Madrid and Hamburg. I've flown with various airlines now across Europe, Australia and India and never seen anything else like that.
Plus I've just done some digging and Randy Lerner does have history at Cleveland Browns NFL franchise with United Airlines being a sponsor, this I admit is really just a pointer I'm not suggesting at any point that suddenly United are going to massively increase interest in BHX, just because of some previous links with the owner of AVFC. (Just thought I'd get that in before a full on cynic shoots me down
) Although United do have ties with a lot of organisations and teams in Chicago; such as the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, MLB Chicago Cubs, NBA Chicago Bulls, Chicago White Sox, NFL Chicago Bears and the NHL Chicago Blackhawks.
Interestingly the article on the Villa website ends with this - "But we continue to try and grow the brand further. In fact, we are planning to significantly add to our current airline number over the coming weeks and months ahead."
Maybe the American links could be included in future deals that are said to be significant. I do personally think it may be more than a coincidence that as the airport nears a state of being able to accept long(er) haul flights Villa, one of twenty teams in possibly one of the best positions of advertising in the world by being a Premier League football team is suddenly having deals with airlines. And bearing in mind that with these airlines on board, part of Birmingham is going to be on the screens of flights across, Japan, India and Malaysia with this move.
The only airline I can think of having dedicated teams channels/programs are Emirates with Arsenal, PSG, Real Madrid and Hamburg. I've flown with various airlines now across Europe, Australia and India and never seen anything else like that.
Plus I've just done some digging and Randy Lerner does have history at Cleveland Browns NFL franchise with United Airlines being a sponsor, this I admit is really just a pointer I'm not suggesting at any point that suddenly United are going to massively increase interest in BHX, just because of some previous links with the owner of AVFC. (Just thought I'd get that in before a full on cynic shoots me down
) Although United do have ties with a lot of organisations and teams in Chicago; such as the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, MLB Chicago Cubs, NBA Chicago Bulls, Chicago White Sox, NFL Chicago Bears and the NHL Chicago Blackhawks.
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THY also has fingers in many pies.The brand has really grown over the last few years and pax numbers have gone through the roof.
With Villa seemingly on the way up(my turn for wishful thinking)a partnership between AVFC and BHX could have many benefits for both.
It could be the difference between 2 well known brands and becoming global brands
With Villa seemingly on the way up(my turn for wishful thinking)a partnership between AVFC and BHX could have many benefits for both.
It could be the difference between 2 well known brands and becoming global brands
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Glad it's not just me that's optimistic about all this! :P Villa looking good, BHX getting AI and links to others, so far so good! Now all I need to do is find a job in either engineering or operations at an airline or airport and graduate from uni in July and all is good!