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Got to say those UA 757s are really starting to show their age even with the refurb of a couple of years back. The BF product is pretty dismal for the daft money they want.
Some of their Economy fares are also silly and represent very poor value for money, especially given that the CC don't seem to give a damn.
Got to say those UA 757s are really starting to show their age even with the refurb of a couple of years back. The BF product is pretty dismal for the daft money they want.
Some of their Economy fares are also silly and represent very poor value for money, especially given that the CC don't seem to give a damn.
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Inaugural NQY-BHX-NQY load factors are very good indeed, but then it is Friday. I have the exact figures but don't wish to post them here just yet. If they continue at today's percentage then the route will do very well.
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April passengers
Why are the BHX and CAA figures different? - that said
the April figures are very good - will May also be a record?
Maybe the whole year will be a record one with all these
new routes that the airport has attracted?
Elmdon
the April figures are very good - will May also be a record?
Maybe the whole year will be a record one with all these
new routes that the airport has attracted?
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Some great April figures Pete, when you take out the extra Easter bank holiday Pete.
China Pattern re United BHX will probably have to get itself in a position when the airlines confident it can operate all year round making money.
This winter saw the first ever 5 a week for one month and usual 6 a week for another period.Can we assume the yields were not expected to be good during that period ?
Going from 12 business class to 28 is a bit of a jump. However with the economy picking up think BHX does have a chance to achieve an upgrade to a 787, if enough come on line to replace 767 and 757 Int.
One step at a time,and will be interesting if BHX can become daily for the whole winter coming up. If it doesn't and stays similar to last winter then little progress has probably been made..one to watch.
Nigel
China Pattern re United BHX will probably have to get itself in a position when the airlines confident it can operate all year round making money.
This winter saw the first ever 5 a week for one month and usual 6 a week for another period.Can we assume the yields were not expected to be good during that period ?
Going from 12 business class to 28 is a bit of a jump. However with the economy picking up think BHX does have a chance to achieve an upgrade to a 787, if enough come on line to replace 767 and 757 Int.
One step at a time,and will be interesting if BHX can become daily for the whole winter coming up. If it doesn't and stays similar to last winter then little progress has probably been made..one to watch.
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EK at 90 % again !!! Well, all I can say is that Emirates are losing money on the BHX service . That statement obviously doesn't mean they are losing money overall , far from it . To put it another way I'm sure there are not exactly 389 people and no more wanting to go on each flight based on 2 rotations every day. so there must be many who find the flight they want unavailable , hence lost passengers who could be accommodated on a third daily service. This is a priority.
As OP has pointed out re STR & MXP these have had capacity increases and are being used and not losing money!!
As OP has pointed out re STR & MXP these have had capacity increases and are being used and not losing money!!
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Think NQY-BHX could do nicely as a fill in route. Looking at the prices ongoing, some very high and some low would suggest a mixed load, some days high, some low.
Hope it does well.
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Hope it does well.
cs
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I'm a bit confused - I guess it's my age! How can anyone not actually working in the bean-counting department at Emirates actually know that a particular route is losing money; and if it is, the reasons why. Then, if the service is already losing money, what could be the rationale for increasing capacity? Adding another 800 seats (30+% extra passenger capacity) would do nothing to improve profitability. If you are an insider at Emirates in a position to know such information, my apologies!
If Emirates isn't making money at an LF of 90% plus a hefty contribution from cargo then they really need to review their cost base and / or their fares structure! I honestly doubt that to be the case!
EK at 90 % again !!! Well, all I can say is that Emirates are losing money on the BHX service . That statement obviously doesn't mean they are losing money overall , far from it . To put it another way I'm sure there are not exactly 389 people and no more wanting to go on each flight based on 2 rotations every day. so there must be many who find the flight they want unavailable , hence lost passengers who could be accommodated on a third daily service. This is a priority.
If Emirates isn't making money at an LF of 90% plus a hefty contribution from cargo then they really need to review their cost base and / or their fares structure! I honestly doubt that to be the case!
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I believe he means that they are losing money because aircraft are full and therefore the passenger will go elsewhere.
However true that may be, and it may be for routes other than EK, as you say you need to be working in yield management to know the answer.
Firstly, are those passengers booking from LHR/LGW or MAN on EK, in which case there is no lost revenue to EK.
How many 'lost' passengers are there, is it just a few a day, if so that does not justify another aircraft.
I am fairly sure EK know what they are doing and when they are ready they will add a flight.
However true that may be, and it may be for routes other than EK, as you say you need to be working in yield management to know the answer.
Firstly, are those passengers booking from LHR/LGW or MAN on EK, in which case there is no lost revenue to EK.
How many 'lost' passengers are there, is it just a few a day, if so that does not justify another aircraft.
I am fairly sure EK know what they are doing and when they are ready they will add a flight.
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The second Newquay has arrived at BHX and it was a 175! Don't get excited as I think it was unplanned as the seat-map last night was showing 58 seats taken out of 78 not 88.
It probably had something to do with the EDI Dash 8 flight BE840 disgracing itself over BHX's runway this morning causing holding delays and AF1164 to divert to Manchester.
"OF" landed safely on 7700 Squawk but deposited I assume hydraulic fluid and I suspect a BHX based Dash (EV) was pinched for the outbound leaving the Dash 8 schedule short. However with Bergerac and Salzburg jet services not starting until next week and I assume there was a 175 spare.
Emirates
Not many BHX pax would be lost to EK at Manchester as they are in the same position, in fact if they hadn't seen 23 upgrades in April to the 428 seat aircraft their load factor would have been 94%. It will be interesting to see what are the next steps at BHX and MAN, not easy decisions as what ever happens it is going to a fair increase in capacity if BHX need 3 and MAN 4 flights a day and the alternative of 380's, reduces cargo capacity.
Pete
The second Newquay has arrived at BHX and it was a 175! Don't get excited as I think it was unplanned as the seat-map last night was showing 58 seats taken out of 78 not 88.
It probably had something to do with the EDI Dash 8 flight BE840 disgracing itself over BHX's runway this morning causing holding delays and AF1164 to divert to Manchester.
"OF" landed safely on 7700 Squawk but deposited I assume hydraulic fluid and I suspect a BHX based Dash (EV) was pinched for the outbound leaving the Dash 8 schedule short. However with Bergerac and Salzburg jet services not starting until next week and I assume there was a 175 spare.
Emirates
Not many BHX pax would be lost to EK at Manchester as they are in the same position, in fact if they hadn't seen 23 upgrades in April to the 428 seat aircraft their load factor would have been 94%. It will be interesting to see what are the next steps at BHX and MAN, not easy decisions as what ever happens it is going to a fair increase in capacity if BHX need 3 and MAN 4 flights a day and the alternative of 380's, reduces cargo capacity.
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True. Most I know head south rather than north to go direct rather than one-stop.
Ryanair
Curious winter schedule seemingly three based but very light flying most days although Tuesday sees six flights from the three based with gaps but six away based flights making 12 equal number of flights to a Thursday or Friday in May.
You certainly wouldn't think an airline such as Ryanair would offer the same number of flights in January as they do in May on certain days.
Pete
True. Most I know head south rather than north to go direct rather than one-stop.
Ryanair
Curious winter schedule seemingly three based but very light flying most days although Tuesday sees six flights from the three based with gaps but six away based flights making 12 equal number of flights to a Thursday or Friday in May.
You certainly wouldn't think an airline such as Ryanair would offer the same number of flights in January as they do in May on certain days.
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Flybe further new routes
Flybe will launch daily Oslo (midday departure from Birmingham) and daily Hamburg (evening departure from Birmingham am Saturday) on Flybe.com routes commence in October. Great news! 
Looks like media spin of 8 new routes are actually 2 new and 6 routes are the continuation of routes launched this summer, Florence, Toulouse, Bordeaux, Cologne, Oporto and Reykjavik.
Looks like media spin of 8 new routes are actually 2 new and 6 routes are the continuation of routes launched this summer, Florence, Toulouse, Bordeaux, Cologne, Oporto and Reykjavik.
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Great news!! BE are showing a really strong commitment to BHX to develop it as it's core base and obviously has a strategy of route growth in place, which is more than can be said for other airlines, hello FR. Glad to see KEF and OPO continuing, I thought they would almost certainly be seasonal routes.
I wonder if there will be more routes for next summer - it would be nice to see even just a couple of the likes of PRG, BUD, WAW, MAD, LIS and VIE back on the departure/arrival screens at BHX!
I wonder if there will be more routes for next summer - it would be nice to see even just a couple of the likes of PRG, BUD, WAW, MAD, LIS and VIE back on the departure/arrival screens at BHX!
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that is excellent news re OSL and HAM, and also about the continuation of the other 6 routes into winter (even if somewhat surprising for some of those?!).
the HAM route is interesting of course, given LH's push to get rid of BE on that route 2 years ago (with double daily for summer 2012 vs BE's daily), just to reduce to 6/7 in winter 2012 (with BE gone), and now 4U's planned 4/7 for winter 2014. I wonder if 4U will fly turn up at all for the winter flying (given their loads, I doubt they will put on a great fight).
PS: OSL is also nice, just last week I had to do that trip via FRA. The midday timing is good for onward connections from OSL (usually to elsewhere in Norway).
that is excellent news re OSL and HAM, and also about the continuation of the other 6 routes into winter (even if somewhat surprising for some of those?!).
the HAM route is interesting of course, given LH's push to get rid of BE on that route 2 years ago (with double daily for summer 2012 vs BE's daily), just to reduce to 6/7 in winter 2012 (with BE gone), and now 4U's planned 4/7 for winter 2014. I wonder if 4U will fly turn up at all for the winter flying (given their loads, I doubt they will put on a great fight).
PS: OSL is also nice, just last week I had to do that trip via FRA. The midday timing is good for onward connections from OSL (usually to elsewhere in Norway).
Glad to see KEF and OPO continuing, I thought they would almost certainly be seasonal routes.
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insuindi wrote: I wonder if 4U will fly turn up at all for the winter flying (given their loads, I doubt they will put on a great fight).
It would appear just looking at LF's alone that 4U are struggling at BHX full stop - TXL is hardly setting load factor records, a pity after such a great start when operated by LH. 4 x weekly to HAM I can't see as being any form of competition for BE, as you say I wonder if they will fly it at all. Yield must be good for these flights to continue and of course 4U are a low cost operation. I really hope BHX-TXL continues for personal reasons as it saves me the journey to either LHR or EMA when flying out to visit family. If it goes I can see this as a route BE could start.
I think that 4U suffer from a low brand awareness in the UK, even though you can book flights on both LH and 4U websites. I just don't think people are aware of who 4U are and where they fly to from BHX, certainly when I tell people I'm off to Berlin they always assume I'm going from MAN or LHR and have no idea who 4U are when I tell them! It will be very interesting to see how DUS fares when 4U start on that route.
It would appear just looking at LF's alone that 4U are struggling at BHX full stop - TXL is hardly setting load factor records, a pity after such a great start when operated by LH. 4 x weekly to HAM I can't see as being any form of competition for BE, as you say I wonder if they will fly it at all. Yield must be good for these flights to continue and of course 4U are a low cost operation. I really hope BHX-TXL continues for personal reasons as it saves me the journey to either LHR or EMA when flying out to visit family. If it goes I can see this as a route BE could start.
I think that 4U suffer from a low brand awareness in the UK, even though you can book flights on both LH and 4U websites. I just don't think people are aware of who 4U are and where they fly to from BHX, certainly when I tell people I'm off to Berlin they always assume I'm going from MAN or LHR and have no idea who 4U are when I tell them! It will be very interesting to see how DUS fares when 4U start on that route.
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Oslo/Hamburg/April International route analysis
Oslo & Hamburg
Despite the grim figures I posted on the flybe thread for BHX - Oslo it is certainly one of the routes which you would hope will do well this time round. Have to agree with GF re Hamburg and Berlin as well and I certainly fear the worse for Hamburg Germanwings.
April International route analysis
Monthly figures supplied by the CAA but the average pax and load factor have had to be estimated as there were gaps in the records I used. Some great figures including many improvements. The 2013 figures are in brackets.
Brussels........9979 (9050).......51 per flight..66% load factor
Larnaca........5810 (3363)......171 pax.........80%
Paphos..........2779 (nil)........154 pax.........76%
Copenhagen...8051 (7146).....88 pax..........88%
Chambery........403 (0)..........67 pax.........76%
Grenoble........1613 (1314)......90 pax.........50%
Lyons............3611 (nil).........69 pax.........79%
Montepellier.......nil (2181)......................
Paris CDG......34684 (31654)..103 pax.........83%
Berlin TXL.......3720 (4489).....98 pax.........71%
Cologne..........1994 (nil)........47 pax.........60%
Dusseldorf.....17284 (16015)...53 pax.........62%
Frankfurt.......24591 (23763).121 pax.........85%
Hamburg.........3004 (2687)...60 pax..........65%
Hanover........figures not provided
Munich..........14002 (14428)..85 pax.........70%
Stuttgart........6735 (3401)....65 pax..........74%
Gibraltar..........3576 (2364)...138 pax.........79%
Cork...............5898 (6198)....51 pax.........70%
Knock.............2781 (2489)....46 pax.........60%
Dublin............56705 (42700).122 pax.........76%
Shannon..........3753 (2678)...33 pax.........60%
Waterford........2086 (1569)...61 pax.........79%
Florence..........2592 (nil).......72 pax.........82%
Milan MXP........7147 (3486)....64 pax.........73%
Bergamo.............nil (3530)
Rome FCO........3785 (5343)..157 pax.........84%
Trieste...............nil (1897)
Venive...............nil (3643)
Malta.............2977 (2976..)..186 pax........98% (some IT pax included?)
Amsterdam.....44900 (40985)..96 pax.........82%
Faro.............15362 (8649)..179 pax.........87%
Oporto...........1102 (nil)....61 pax.........70%
Funchel..........2143 (1993)..134 pax.........67%
Alicante........24028 (20232).143 pax.........80%
Almeria...........2744 (nil)...172 pax.........80%
Barcelona......10485 (4955)..154 pax.........80%
Girona...............nil (2172)
Ibiza.................nil (3216)
Malaga.........19633 (15863).175 pax.........87%
Murcia...........5090 (5299)..150 pax.........79%
Palma..........11757 (5712)..151 pax.........76%
Reus.............2084 (2894)..130 pax.........69%
Arrecife........13007 (7277) incorrect split shown between schedule & IT
Fuerteventura incorrect split shown between schedule & IT
Las Palmas.....5046 (4576)...149 pax.........74%
Tenerife.......19126 (14450) incorrect split shown between schedule & IT
Gothenburg....1271 (nil).....28 pax.........56%
Arlanda.........2403 (2409)....86 pax.........75%
Geneva.........6228 (3947)...145 pax.........87%
Zurich..........9422 (8836)....79 pax.........79%
Bodrum.........1953 (nil)....122 pax.........70%
Dalaman........5897 (nil).....164 pax.........79%
Istanbul......10035 (9910)..119 pax.........78%
Kaunas.........2958 (2527)..164 pax.........87%
Bydgoscz.....4585 (4340)...176 pax.........93%
Gdansk.......3003 (2865)....167 pax.........88%
Katowice.....2830 (3953)...177 pax.........94%
Krakow........3140 (2534)...174 pax.........92%
Bratislava....4317 (4423)....166 pax.........88%
Sharm........5004 (3493).....192 pax.........90%
Ashkhabad....5441 (4932)...163 pax.........86&
Dubai.........46398 (40817)..387 pax.........90%
Delhi...........2851 (nil)
Amritsar.......4044 (nil).......203 pax.........79%
Islamabad....9062 (8818).....267 pax.........76%
Newark.......7380 (7764).....148 pax.........87%
Pete
Despite the grim figures I posted on the flybe thread for BHX - Oslo it is certainly one of the routes which you would hope will do well this time round. Have to agree with GF re Hamburg and Berlin as well and I certainly fear the worse for Hamburg Germanwings.
April International route analysis
Monthly figures supplied by the CAA but the average pax and load factor have had to be estimated as there were gaps in the records I used. Some great figures including many improvements. The 2013 figures are in brackets.
Brussels........9979 (9050).......51 per flight..66% load factor
Larnaca........5810 (3363)......171 pax.........80%
Paphos..........2779 (nil)........154 pax.........76%
Copenhagen...8051 (7146).....88 pax..........88%
Chambery........403 (0)..........67 pax.........76%
Grenoble........1613 (1314)......90 pax.........50%
Lyons............3611 (nil).........69 pax.........79%
Montepellier.......nil (2181)......................
Paris CDG......34684 (31654)..103 pax.........83%
Berlin TXL.......3720 (4489).....98 pax.........71%
Cologne..........1994 (nil)........47 pax.........60%
Dusseldorf.....17284 (16015)...53 pax.........62%
Frankfurt.......24591 (23763).121 pax.........85%
Hamburg.........3004 (2687)...60 pax..........65%
Hanover........figures not provided
Munich..........14002 (14428)..85 pax.........70%
Stuttgart........6735 (3401)....65 pax..........74%
Gibraltar..........3576 (2364)...138 pax.........79%
Cork...............5898 (6198)....51 pax.........70%
Knock.............2781 (2489)....46 pax.........60%
Dublin............56705 (42700).122 pax.........76%
Shannon..........3753 (2678)...33 pax.........60%
Waterford........2086 (1569)...61 pax.........79%
Florence..........2592 (nil).......72 pax.........82%
Milan MXP........7147 (3486)....64 pax.........73%
Bergamo.............nil (3530)
Rome FCO........3785 (5343)..157 pax.........84%
Trieste...............nil (1897)
Venive...............nil (3643)
Malta.............2977 (2976..)..186 pax........98% (some IT pax included?)
Amsterdam.....44900 (40985)..96 pax.........82%
Faro.............15362 (8649)..179 pax.........87%
Oporto...........1102 (nil)....61 pax.........70%
Funchel..........2143 (1993)..134 pax.........67%
Alicante........24028 (20232).143 pax.........80%
Almeria...........2744 (nil)...172 pax.........80%
Barcelona......10485 (4955)..154 pax.........80%
Girona...............nil (2172)
Ibiza.................nil (3216)
Malaga.........19633 (15863).175 pax.........87%
Murcia...........5090 (5299)..150 pax.........79%
Palma..........11757 (5712)..151 pax.........76%
Reus.............2084 (2894)..130 pax.........69%
Arrecife........13007 (7277) incorrect split shown between schedule & IT
Fuerteventura incorrect split shown between schedule & IT
Las Palmas.....5046 (4576)...149 pax.........74%
Tenerife.......19126 (14450) incorrect split shown between schedule & IT
Gothenburg....1271 (nil).....28 pax.........56%
Arlanda.........2403 (2409)....86 pax.........75%
Geneva.........6228 (3947)...145 pax.........87%
Zurich..........9422 (8836)....79 pax.........79%
Bodrum.........1953 (nil)....122 pax.........70%
Dalaman........5897 (nil).....164 pax.........79%
Istanbul......10035 (9910)..119 pax.........78%
Kaunas.........2958 (2527)..164 pax.........87%
Bydgoscz.....4585 (4340)...176 pax.........93%
Gdansk.......3003 (2865)....167 pax.........88%
Katowice.....2830 (3953)...177 pax.........94%
Krakow........3140 (2534)...174 pax.........92%
Bratislava....4317 (4423)....166 pax.........88%
Sharm........5004 (3493).....192 pax.........90%
Ashkhabad....5441 (4932)...163 pax.........86&
Dubai.........46398 (40817)..387 pax.........90%
Delhi...........2851 (nil)
Amritsar.......4044 (nil).......203 pax.........79%
Islamabad....9062 (8818).....267 pax.........76%
Newark.......7380 (7764).....148 pax.........87%
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Birmingham baggage waits
Interesting article from Birmingham chamber of commerce. Birmingham Airport is number two UK airport (after MAN) for shortest baggage carousel wait times! Well done to those people who do the hard work often for low pay!
web link to article http://birmingham-chamber.com/BCCG/E...=862&StoryID=0
web link to article http://birmingham-chamber.com/BCCG/E...=862&StoryID=0
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Interesting article from Birmingham chamber of commerce. Birmingham Airport is number two UK airport (after MAN) for shortest baggage wait times!