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It seems that some people are under the impression that posting airline services is acceptable. Sorry, but it isn't. It is advertising, and PPRuNe does not allow it.
Once again people are trying to blatantly advertise routes, new operations - the list goes on.
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Sorry, BHX "does not do" connections. You will have to go landside and back through security.
So I would have 90 minutes to make a connection arriving on the first flight in the morning from DUB. How bad is security at this time of day and would FR or EI the better choice (use of jetway, terminal etc.)?
PS: Maybe BHX should make an effort given that Flybe offers quite a few connections via BHX from the continent to UK domestic destinations. I seem to remember that I connected airside from EDI to DUS at the Eurohub in the late 1990s
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BHX is a "one terminal" operation so technically it doesn't really make much difference if you choose EI or FR as you will have to go through same arrivals/departures security system for both - it's worth noting that Ryanair operate from the old Eurohub side which is now looking a bit tired compared to the new pier which Aer Lingus use.
For FR you'll exit the plane via stairs and then walk up a jetway into the terminal. With EI you'll definatley deplane via stairs if your on the ATR - I have seen the A320s use jetways occasionally - it just depends on time of day.
From personal experience I've never suffered long security checks flying from BHX - 10 mins max and that is based on different times and different days.
For FR you'll exit the plane via stairs and then walk up a jetway into the terminal. With EI you'll definatley deplane via stairs if your on the ATR - I have seen the A320s use jetways occasionally - it just depends on time of day.
From personal experience I've never suffered long security checks flying from BHX - 10 mins max and that is based on different times and different days.
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The peak time for security is first thing when all the based and night stoppers depart but by 07.30 they have all gone. I recently had a 10.00AM departure from BHX and it was nearly deserted when I passed through security an hour before. If you fly FR you will arrive on stand 1 of the former eurohub and if you arrive EI you will be on the 50's of the main terminal , in effect no advantage even though they are at opposite ends of the airport as no bussing required. If your flight is on time you will comfortably make a connection in 90 minutes (hand luggage and pre printed boarding pass).
Transfer pax are a tiny proportion of Birmingham's passenger figures ,less than 3% , but you are right that every effort should be made to make connections easier .
That is what it was designed for!
Transfer pax are a tiny proportion of Birmingham's passenger figures ,less than 3% , but you are right that every effort should be made to make connections easier .
I seem to remember that I connected airside from EDI to DUS at the Eurohub in the late 1990s
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Thanks @getonitt & @chinapattern. So I guess I can risk it as the first flights in the morning should be reasonably on time, be it EI or FR.
Given the number of routes Flybe operates from BHX particularly to Germany BHX could be the logical choice to make connections to places like the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man, Inverness, Knock, Waterford, Newquay etcl. for which no proper connections are available via LGW or LHR anymore. BHX could also be quite competitive when it comes to connections from the continent to places like ABZ, EDI, GLA or BHD. One effect of BA deserting the regions and the take-over of LGW by the LCCs is that it has become quite difficult to connect to most of the regional airports from the continent unless you are willing to fork out a big load of money for KLM's services via AMS.
Transfer pax are a tiny proportion of Birmingham's passenger figures ,less than 3% , but you are right that every effort should be made to make connections easier .
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It seems that some people are under the impression that posting airline services is acceptable. Sorry, but it isn't. It is advertising, and PPRuNe does not allow it.
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Once again people are trying to blatantly advertise routes, new operations - the list goes on.
It seems that some people are under the impression that posting airline services is acceptable. Sorry, but it isn't. It is advertising, and PPRuNe does not allow it.
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Once again people are trying to blatantly advertise routes, new operations - the list goes on.
posting airline services
Does that mean there should be no mention anywhere of new services starting up? Seems to involve the content of many threads in the Airlines Airports and Routes section and would make this section in particular lose a lot of interesting discussion.
Or is it (in this instance) the comparison of airline fares that caused the intervention?
Or has something been removed that I didn't see?
Thanks for some clarification
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Given that BHX is now by far Flybes largest base I do wonder if there are plans to hub BHX and offer connections from UK points to the European network - can only see it as being beneficial to both parties
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Sorry, BHX "does not do" connections. You will have to go landside and back through security.
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Or has something been removed that I didn't see?
something has been removed.
Clearly one can't have an airlines, airports and routes thread without discussing services offered, clearly this is a grey area and a difficult call for the mods to decide what is acceptable and what is overstepping the mark.
If you look at the top and bottom of this page you'll find links to commercial aviation websites that are selling a product or products, those advertisers pay for those links and the revenue earned pays for you and I and everybody to sit here chatting for free.
So if links to commercial websites that are selling a product or products get posted here by the likes of you or I then those that pay to advertise here are likely to question "WTF?".
A link to a commercial website and some "overstepping the mark", in the opinion of the mods, became removed.
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A slight correction to the EI/FR comments earlier, neither airline uses airbridges and EI flights are bussed in as it isn't possible for passengers to reach the Common Travel arrivals area by foot.The only possible exception is the the EI Airbus can use the bridge if the weather is exceptionally bad, but the inbound passengers still have to get down to ramp level to get bussed in.
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Given that BHX is now by far Flybes largest base I do wonder if there are plans to hub BHX and offer connections from UK points to the European network - can only see it as being beneficial to both parties
Remind me, airside connections in Eurohub days did not require re-screening of passengers though?
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Eurohub transfers
Skipness One Echo.
I think you are correct.I believe that there was no need to go through a 2nd screening.The whole point of the "hub"was to transfer from flight to flight with the minimum of fuss.
However if you were transferring from the "hub"to the main terminal or vice versa then you would have to go through the screening procedure.
Unfortunately with all the new regulations after 9/11 and BAW pulling out of the regions the need for this type operation diminished at BHX.
I wonder if there are any plans for re-introducing a transfer facility at BHX in the coming years,especially if Flybe are successful with their expansion.
I realise the need for security but it must be pain to get off 1 flight,only to go through a full security check to get on another.
I think you are correct.I believe that there was no need to go through a 2nd screening.The whole point of the "hub"was to transfer from flight to flight with the minimum of fuss.
However if you were transferring from the "hub"to the main terminal or vice versa then you would have to go through the screening procedure.
Unfortunately with all the new regulations after 9/11 and BAW pulling out of the regions the need for this type operation diminished at BHX.
I wonder if there are any plans for re-introducing a transfer facility at BHX in the coming years,especially if Flybe are successful with their expansion.
I realise the need for security but it must be pain to get off 1 flight,only to go through a full security check to get on another.
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Aegean
Finally BHX is linked with Athens again, with AEE636 just airborne on route to BHX. Although it appears only to be seasonal it is a welcome route and airline.
The other day of operation is Saturday followed by two Aegean IT flights, one from Heraklion (Tuesday) and one from Rhodes (Saturday).
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were the last airline to operate a regular schedule flight BHX-ATH and if my memory serves me well there were some good loads (might just dig deep into the CAA stats).
Long gone are the days of IT flights to Athens but I remember travelling on an Air Europe 757 from BHX back in September 1989.
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The other day of operation is Saturday followed by two Aegean IT flights, one from Heraklion (Tuesday) and one from Rhodes (Saturday).
Maersk
were the last airline to operate a regular schedule flight BHX-ATH and if my memory serves me well there were some good loads (might just dig deep into the CAA stats). Long gone are the days of IT flights to Athens but I remember travelling on an Air Europe 757 from BHX back in September 1989.
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BHX ATH
Passenger figures and number of rotations from the CAA.
Operated by Maersk in 2002/3 although interestingly the CAA have credited the whole operation to Duo although Companies House (Public Domain version) shows it was Maersk until 24/04/2003.
The Service began in June 2002 and carried 8958 pax until the end of the year at an average of 50.33 a flight but some could of been on the CRJ7 which operated in the winter or at least part off.
The breakdown is as follows
June..........1052 pax....40 per flight....31% load factor based on 131 seats
July...........1493 pax....75 per flight....44%
August.......2396 pax....86 per flight....65%
September..1645 pax....69 per flight....52%
October......1127 pax....43 per flight....33%
November.....555 pax....21 per flight...unsure of type but max 31% load factor
December.....690 pax....31 per flight..
January........574 pax....23 per flight
February......187 pax....19 per flight.
Obviously didn't do as well as I thought even the peak summer loads were modest. I have not bothered to find the stats for the brief 747 operation a few years later.
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Operated by Maersk in 2002/3 although interestingly the CAA have credited the whole operation to Duo although Companies House (Public Domain version) shows it was Maersk until 24/04/2003.
The Service began in June 2002 and carried 8958 pax until the end of the year at an average of 50.33 a flight but some could of been on the CRJ7 which operated in the winter or at least part off.
The breakdown is as follows
June..........1052 pax....40 per flight....31% load factor based on 131 seats
July...........1493 pax....75 per flight....44%
August.......2396 pax....86 per flight....65%
September..1645 pax....69 per flight....52%
October......1127 pax....43 per flight....33%
November.....555 pax....21 per flight...unsure of type but max 31% load factor
December.....690 pax....31 per flight..
January........574 pax....23 per flight
February......187 pax....19 per flight.
Obviously didn't do as well as I thought even the peak summer loads were modest. I have not bothered to find the stats for the brief 747 operation a few years later.
Pete
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Connections adds complexity and cost though, are flybe not cutting costs?
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I think Birmingham's terminal and CTA is physically the perfect size for an airport. Not too big so you get lost and suffer from tired feet and not to small so to not have the facilities passengers expect. I was so impressed when I visited the place last month.
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Monarch
Two new schedule routes for winter albeit pseudo-IT flights for ski holidays
BHX- Turin and BHX - Salzburg by Monarch start 13 December 2014 once a week on a Saturday.
The Turin was posted on the Monarch thread I am sure 10 minutes ago Salzburg was on there or I just missed it.
I thought they might have gambled on Salzburg with a Wednesday departure as well but better than nothing. Salzburg I also thought flybe might have tried.
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BHX- Turin and BHX - Salzburg by Monarch start 13 December 2014 once a week on a Saturday.
The Turin was posted on the Monarch thread I am sure 10 minutes ago Salzburg was on there or I just missed it.
I thought they might have gambled on Salzburg with a Wednesday departure as well but better than nothing. Salzburg I also thought flybe might have tried.
Pete