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Does anyone know if the WAT route will be coming back any time soon?
I also think there is a lot of potential business the likes of FlyBE could make flying out of LTN, flying routes to cities where easyJet or Ryanair's own aircraft are simply too big with an A320 or 737-800.
Opening a North London hub with few Bombardier Dash 8's or even EB-175's based out of the airport would be brilliant. But in reality FlyBE, are loosing money and in the process of restructuring their business, if anything cutbacks are likely.
Over the last few years we have seen a gradual watering down of the airlines flights out if Luton, with frequencies turning from twice daily, to daily and now a few times a week and also becoming seasonal.
The other airline I am watching closely in a European airline called Minoan, they have recently announced they will be basing a Fokker F-50 at Oxford Airport are going to be flying to Edinburgh and Dublin.
They have stated they are interested in basing up to four aircraft in the UK, as they see a lot of potential for niche markets.
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Found this on the council’s website. http://www.eplan.luton.gov.uk/planne...-62-1_01_A.PDF It is a letter of objection to Signatures new hangar by Harrods as they claim it will reduce their ability to handle aircraft by 20%. The letter is dated July and Signature has got its permission but clearly Harrods are not happy.
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gilesdavies, I agree with you that LTN has lost a few routes and has fewer flights operating on the established routes. Compared to a few years back, LTN handled far more domestic passengers and more passengers on the Irish network. I take the view that LTN has the potential for a new carrier to operate the Irish links lost and increase domestic services. I recall when LTN operated to Leeds, Liverpool, Shannon, Knock and not forgetting the other international destinations such as Palermo and Athens. Everyone one of these routes were successful and I am sure can be again.
gilesdavies, I agree with you that LTN has lost a few routes and has fewer flights operating on the established routes. Compared to a few years back, LTN handled far more domestic passengers and more passengers on the Irish network. I take the view that LTN has the potential for a new carrier to operate the Irish links lost and increase domestic services. I recall when LTN operated to Leeds, Liverpool, Shannon, Knock and not forgetting the other international destinations such as Palermo and Athens. Everyone one of these routes were successful and I am sure can be again.
Rightly, airlines should be focused on profit rather than the possible prestige/protection of some markets. Protecting unprofitable markets is the reason why US domestic air travel is such a mess - flying to places with no passengers as a defensive tactic.
As for Ireland, I dare say no small airline would take on Ryanair in their own backyard.
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At the expense of Southend? Funny you should mention this, a normally bad source of information who is wrong more times than he is right even though he works at the airport mentioned that Aer Lingus will be pulling out of Southend at the end of the summer season. I just dismissed his comment but maybe…..
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I wouldn't say that's out of the question.
The SEN-DUB becomes DUB-SEN wef 1 April 2013 in order to try to improve its performance. I'm sure the figures for the summer will be studied carefully to see what positive effect this change has.
I'm surprised that no one has taken up the WAT-LTN, although it really does have to operate in that direction to maximise its potential so perhaps that's where the difficulty lies. The total WAT-LON pax numbers for the past couple of years would certainly suggest the route is still viable.
I wouldn't say that's out of the question.
The SEN-DUB becomes DUB-SEN wef 1 April 2013 in order to try to improve its performance. I'm sure the figures for the summer will be studied carefully to see what positive effect this change has.
I'm surprised that no one has taken up the WAT-LTN, although it really does have to operate in that direction to maximise its potential so perhaps that's where the difficulty lies. The total WAT-LON pax numbers for the past couple of years would certainly suggest the route is still viable.
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I am sure you are correct, as I said my information source is usually wrong.
The only route I can see Aer Lingus operating to Luton would be the Waterford service
I am sure you are correct, as I said my information source is usually wrong.
The only route I can see Aer Lingus operating to Luton would be the Waterford service
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Monarch winter 13/14
Quick look shows a few changes to timetable for next winter.
GIB goes up to 4 wkly from 3 ( Wed added)
ALC goes down to 2 from 3 wkly ( Thurs gone)
ACE goes up to 3 wkly from 2 ( Thurs added)
FCO goes down to 2 from 3 wkly ( Mon gone)
SSH new 3wkly Thur/Sat/Sun
LCA gone completely from a wed flt?
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Why only Waterford,they could add Cork or Shannon
GIB goes up to 4 wkly from 3 ( Wed added)
ALC goes down to 2 from 3 wkly ( Thurs gone)
ACE goes up to 3 wkly from 2 ( Thurs added)
FCO goes down to 2 from 3 wkly ( Mon gone)
SSH new 3wkly Thur/Sat/Sun
LCA gone completely from a wed flt?
LTNman
Why only Waterford,they could add Cork or Shannon
Monarch have shelved Larnaca from Luton?! I'd have thought that would've been one of their most popular routes. Heck from Luton they only had to fill 221 seats each way, each week. One A321 each way each week.
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Monarch winter 13/14
LCA gone completely from a wed flt?
During the winter months in Cyprus, tourism on the eastern side of the island (Ayia Napa and Protaras) more or less shuts down. It is Paphos and the Limassol area most where most tourists goes, and I suppose the easyJet service covers this.
Shame to see Larnaca go and hope it returns for Summer 2014.
I did initially think the Sharm El Sheikh route was becoming over saturated with easyJet operating it 6x a week, Thomson twice weekly and now Monarch 3x weekly. But after coming back from there a few weeks ago, I can see why they want a peice of the action too. Both on the outward and return flights easyJet, they were at least 95% full and Jan/Feb is their quiet season!
Im interested to know how Monarch's new service to Munich is going?... I appreciate during the winter months the service is probably popular with skiers, but unsure what market the airline is attracting during the summer months.
Munich is major city in Germany, but never really known it to be a major tourist attractions with Brits in its own right. It is a major commercial centre, but with only three or four flights a week, I doubt they will be attracting many business travellers.
Would be great if they could drop it and maybe fly twice weekly to both Dubrovnik and Venice.
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Taken from Business Sale Report.................
Luton, Cardiff and Belfast airports up for sale
Sun, 24 Feb 2013
By Chris St Cartmail
Luton Airport, Cardiff Airport and Belfast Airport have been put up for sale by Abertis, the Spanish infrastructure conglomerate.
The company has hired AZ Capital and Citigroup to explore options for its airports division that owns 29 sites around the globe. Only 40 per cent of the company's €720m profits now come from Spanish operations, as its homeland is beset with recession and high unemployment. This has fuelled the company's drive to expand overseas with recent acquisitions of highway concessions in Chile and Brazil.
Pressure to book profits has been added to Abertis this month in the wake of the decision by Bolivian President Evo Morales to nationalise the country's airports, a significant stake of which was owned by the Spanish firm.
There is little doubt that Abertis Infrastructuras is keen to focus on those activities producing highest returns, in countries that are still on a growth curve. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that there is more infrastructure potential in developing countries than, for example, in Europe. Combined traffic numbers through Luton, Belfast and Cardiff airports rose less than 1 per cent in 2012 over the previous year – hardly a high growth market at present.
Nevertheless, airport assets that have been sold of late have attracted serious interest at serious prices, with Stansted and Edinburgh as prime examples. Chicago’s Midway airport is also back on the market with several suitors pitching bids.
Luton, Cardiff and Belfast airports up for sale
Sun, 24 Feb 2013
By Chris St Cartmail
Luton Airport, Cardiff Airport and Belfast Airport have been put up for sale by Abertis, the Spanish infrastructure conglomerate.
The company has hired AZ Capital and Citigroup to explore options for its airports division that owns 29 sites around the globe. Only 40 per cent of the company's €720m profits now come from Spanish operations, as its homeland is beset with recession and high unemployment. This has fuelled the company's drive to expand overseas with recent acquisitions of highway concessions in Chile and Brazil.
Pressure to book profits has been added to Abertis this month in the wake of the decision by Bolivian President Evo Morales to nationalise the country's airports, a significant stake of which was owned by the Spanish firm.
There is little doubt that Abertis Infrastructuras is keen to focus on those activities producing highest returns, in countries that are still on a growth curve. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that there is more infrastructure potential in developing countries than, for example, in Europe. Combined traffic numbers through Luton, Belfast and Cardiff airports rose less than 1 per cent in 2012 over the previous year – hardly a high growth market at present.
Nevertheless, airport assets that have been sold of late have attracted serious interest at serious prices, with Stansted and Edinburgh as prime examples. Chicago’s Midway airport is also back on the market with several suitors pitching bids.
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UK airports to be sold as a block or individually? Didn’t the Welsh assembly want to take over Cardiff?
Abertis don’t own Luton they lease it so can they sell the lease without council approval?
What about the redevelopment of Luton? At the very least this will delay things by a year or two and who is to say that a new company will go ahead with the Abertis plan.
Abertis don’t own Luton they lease it so can they sell the lease without council approval?
What about the redevelopment of Luton? At the very least this will delay things by a year or two and who is to say that a new company will go ahead with the Abertis plan.
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Abertis may sell UK airports as it tries to ease
This article implies that they will be sold individually as the Welsh government is expected to make an offer for Cardiff in the next few weeks and says Belfast and contract to run Luton may also be sold.
Will be interesting to see what happens at Luton and Belfast.
Abertis may sell UK airports as it tries to ease
This article implies that they will be sold individually as the Welsh government is expected to make an offer for Cardiff in the next few weeks and says Belfast and contract to run Luton may also be sold.
Will be interesting to see what happens at Luton and Belfast.