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Dare I say.. the times of Loyalty in business are very much gone now. With airlines pockets tightening, this will be which airport will offer the best value for money for the airlines. We all criticise MOL (me included) but he says in public what most board members from other airlines say in the background.
I wish LTN Luck in securing expansion though.
I wish LTN Luck in securing expansion though.
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In the current market which is flat, keeping your market share is the priority, growing it is an added bonus.
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Captainbirdseye,
Loyalty among business may have diminished but the fact Luton has proved there is a demand from the public who I am sure predominantly use the airport due to locality and choice of destination, will no doubt also have a bearing on airlines who might want to re-locate. A few years ago I remember MAG stating in public they will not (excuse the language) 'prostitute' themselves to the likes of Ryanair. I am sure they stand by that statement today unless they have lost their 'values', however I think MAG will be looking to secure and focus on long haul routes that currently are operating to both Heathrow and Gatwick?
Loyalty among business may have diminished but the fact Luton has proved there is a demand from the public who I am sure predominantly use the airport due to locality and choice of destination, will no doubt also have a bearing on airlines who might want to re-locate. A few years ago I remember MAG stating in public they will not (excuse the language) 'prostitute' themselves to the likes of Ryanair. I am sure they stand by that statement today unless they have lost their 'values', however I think MAG will be looking to secure and focus on long haul routes that currently are operating to both Heathrow and Gatwick?
Why would a long haul airline want to use Stansted?
-There isn't huge business potential unlike the other London airports, especially Heathrow.
-There isn't any feed from partner airlines. Short haul traffic from Ryanair won't transfer.
-People already use Heathrow! Why would they use an airport that is further away with less choice?
Ryanair "own" 70% of the passengers that currently use Stansted. MOL effectively "owns" the airport - not MAG. He can do what he likes. This is what happens when you're over-reliant on one airline. A situation I'd hope Luton would be hell bent to avoid.
That post on the Manchester thread is an excellent read.
-There isn't huge business potential unlike the other London airports, especially Heathrow.
-There isn't any feed from partner airlines. Short haul traffic from Ryanair won't transfer.
-People already use Heathrow! Why would they use an airport that is further away with less choice?
Ryanair "own" 70% of the passengers that currently use Stansted. MOL effectively "owns" the airport - not MAG. He can do what he likes. This is what happens when you're over-reliant on one airline. A situation I'd hope Luton would be hell bent to avoid.
That post on the Manchester thread is an excellent read.
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Dannyboy39, very recently MOL received a stern telling off from his superior-so the boss (if anyone) is Davis Bonderman! I personally do not think Luton has anything to worry about with MAG now owning STN but in turn I hope also that Luton will keep on growing. In relation to partner airlines- Easyjet (with no partner) feed long haul traffic at Gatwick and from a recent article are looking to expand in this area.
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Quote: "Captainbirdseye,
Loyalty among business may have diminished but the fact Luton has proved there is a demand from the public who I am sure predominantly use the airport due to locality and choice of destination, will no doubt also have a bearing on airlines who might want to re-locate. A few years ago I remember MAG stating in public they will not (excuse the language) 'prostitute' themselves to the likes of Ryanair. I am sure they stand by that statement today unless they have lost their 'values', however I think MAG will be looking to secure and focus on long haul routes that currently are operating to both Heathrow and Gatwick?"
Not Heathrow, any long haul carrier that's there already isn't leaving! As for Gatwick, would say that's doubtful too, as they're either in the "waiting room" for Heathrow slots, or happy staying put for now (e.g. BA and VS West Indies services).
Why? Simple, Heathrow has the required connectivity and the premium business which provide the bulk of most airlines' profits.
The "no-frills" buisness model (and all-cargo operations) do not require these, that's why Stansted is an ideal base for them.
Loyalty among business may have diminished but the fact Luton has proved there is a demand from the public who I am sure predominantly use the airport due to locality and choice of destination, will no doubt also have a bearing on airlines who might want to re-locate. A few years ago I remember MAG stating in public they will not (excuse the language) 'prostitute' themselves to the likes of Ryanair. I am sure they stand by that statement today unless they have lost their 'values', however I think MAG will be looking to secure and focus on long haul routes that currently are operating to both Heathrow and Gatwick?"
Not Heathrow, any long haul carrier that's there already isn't leaving! As for Gatwick, would say that's doubtful too, as they're either in the "waiting room" for Heathrow slots, or happy staying put for now (e.g. BA and VS West Indies services).
Why? Simple, Heathrow has the required connectivity and the premium business which provide the bulk of most airlines' profits.
The "no-frills" buisness model (and all-cargo operations) do not require these, that's why Stansted is an ideal base for them.
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Wizzair, currently operating 144 rotations per week, will have increased this to 178 by the beginning of June. No additional destinations in that period.
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A few years ago I remember MAG stating in public they will not (excuse the
language) 'prostitute' themselves to the likes of Ryanair. I am sure they stand by that statement today unless they have lost their 'values'
Guess what his attitude is towards dealing with Ryanair.....
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According to sources in Eastern Europe, a certain airline operating will be carrying close to half Luton's current annual pax throughput soon!
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178 flights per week (peak) x 180 pax capacity x 2 (in/out) = 3,332,160 nominal capacity.
Assuming a load factor of 85%, annual throughput no more than 2.8m
Impressive, but only just over 25% of total passenger numbers at LTN in 2013.
Assuming a load factor of 85%, annual throughput no more than 2.8m
Impressive, but only just over 25% of total passenger numbers at LTN in 2013.
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Going to happen, just look at an attraction.
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Key facts
London Luton Airport is the UK's 5th largest passenger airport 9.5 million passengers used the airport in 2011.
96% of passengers fly on scheduled services, 4% on charter services.
89% of passengers were on international flights and 11% of passengers were on domestic flights
Top 10 Destinations 2011
Position Destination (2012 in brackets)
1 Budapest (7)
2 Warsaw (3)
3 Dublin (1)
4 Geneva (8)
5 Glasgow (2)
6 Malaga (5)
7 Edinburgh (4)
8 Amsterdam (>10)
9 Paris (6)
10 Bucharest (>10)
The scheduled carriers that operate at London Luton Airport are as follows:
easyJet
Wizz Air
Ryanair
Monarch Scheduled
Thomson
El Al
Blue Air
Flybe
Aer Lingus Regional
The charter carriers that operate at London Luton Airport are as follows:
Thomson
First Choice
Monarch
Sun D'Or
LTN Passengers by Type
Low Cost = 86%
Full Service = 10%
Charter = 4%
Abertis airports holds stakes in 29 airports in 8 countries with a global traffic in excess of 90 million passengers a year. After the acquisition of dca, abertis airports becomes one of the largest operators in the world with a notable presence in Europe and America.
The abertis group made a net profit of €720Mn in 2011. Total revenues amounted to €3,915Mn, while net cash-flow was generated to €1,533Mn. EBITDA totalled €2,454Mn. abertis invested a total of €676Mn.
London Luton Airport is the UK's 5th largest passenger airport 9.5 million passengers used the airport in 2011.
96% of passengers fly on scheduled services, 4% on charter services.
89% of passengers were on international flights and 11% of passengers were on domestic flights
Top 10 Destinations 2011
Position Destination (2012 in brackets)
1 Budapest (7)
2 Warsaw (3)
3 Dublin (1)
4 Geneva (8)
5 Glasgow (2)
6 Malaga (5)
7 Edinburgh (4)
8 Amsterdam (>10)
9 Paris (6)
10 Bucharest (>10)
The scheduled carriers that operate at London Luton Airport are as follows:
easyJet
Wizz Air
Ryanair
Monarch Scheduled
Thomson
El Al
Blue Air
Flybe
Aer Lingus Regional
The charter carriers that operate at London Luton Airport are as follows:
Thomson
First Choice
Monarch
Sun D'Or
LTN Passengers by Type
Low Cost = 86%
Full Service = 10%
Charter = 4%
Abertis airports holds stakes in 29 airports in 8 countries with a global traffic in excess of 90 million passengers a year. After the acquisition of dca, abertis airports becomes one of the largest operators in the world with a notable presence in Europe and America.
The abertis group made a net profit of €720Mn in 2011. Total revenues amounted to €3,915Mn, while net cash-flow was generated to €1,533Mn. EBITDA totalled €2,454Mn. abertis invested a total of €676Mn.
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The thing with Luton and Stansted is, while they can definitely get bums on seats, to fly through the airport and operate routes profitably, BUT there are however other airports which can fly the routes for even more profit and generate more revenue.
This is why Gatwick is the darling airport for easyJet, in the London area (and their whole network), it might be more congested, slot restricted and take longer to turn around an aircraft (due to air bridges). But the airline can simply get more revenue out of their passengers flying from there.
This is why Air Asia X swapped from STN to LGW, as they could sell tickets at a higher price, despite filling seats without a prroblem out of Stansted. But they dropped the route eventually after our wonderful chancellor increased the level on APD on long haul flights to £80, making the route unviable.
This is the same for Monarch out of Birmingham, and hence why they have removed aircraft from other UK airports and turned BHX into their largest base, with 8-10 aircraft flying from there this summer. They are simply cashing in on the lack of Low Cost Carriers there, with the demise of BMI Baby, Ryanair reducing their presence due to aa spat with the airport and no easyJet presence.
You then have the issue, of full service airlines operating out LGW happily for years and then realise there is more money to be made flying out of LHR and switching their route to there. This is the case with the airlines from the USA, and the latest is US Airways changing their Charlotte service to Heathrow.
I think it is going to be a case the airport is going to have to try and keep their existing airlines happy and try to entice them to grow, finding new carriers is a hard and difficult job. Especially with the likes of LGW, STN, SEN and to a lessor extent BHX also all chasing the same business.
This is why Gatwick is the darling airport for easyJet, in the London area (and their whole network), it might be more congested, slot restricted and take longer to turn around an aircraft (due to air bridges). But the airline can simply get more revenue out of their passengers flying from there.
This is why Air Asia X swapped from STN to LGW, as they could sell tickets at a higher price, despite filling seats without a prroblem out of Stansted. But they dropped the route eventually after our wonderful chancellor increased the level on APD on long haul flights to £80, making the route unviable.
This is the same for Monarch out of Birmingham, and hence why they have removed aircraft from other UK airports and turned BHX into their largest base, with 8-10 aircraft flying from there this summer. They are simply cashing in on the lack of Low Cost Carriers there, with the demise of BMI Baby, Ryanair reducing their presence due to aa spat with the airport and no easyJet presence.
You then have the issue, of full service airlines operating out LGW happily for years and then realise there is more money to be made flying out of LHR and switching their route to there. This is the case with the airlines from the USA, and the latest is US Airways changing their Charlotte service to Heathrow.
I think it is going to be a case the airport is going to have to try and keep their existing airlines happy and try to entice them to grow, finding new carriers is a hard and difficult job. Especially with the likes of LGW, STN, SEN and to a lessor extent BHX also all chasing the same business.