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Wizzair do directly compete with Ryanair on many routes across Europe as it is. I'm not so sure that would worry them as such although as you say, Stansted is Ryanair's "home turf" so the scale in this case may make it a different matter.
With Wizz now in Barcelona (BCN), Rome (primarily FCO) and now moving from Glasgow PIK to GLA... as first pointed out, could Wizz be starting to look at larger airports and that meaning STN more of a consideration to them? Not long ago, there were even strong rumours of them moving from LPL to MAN.
I think the most we'd see though is a few routes moving over so that they would operate from 2 London airports. A bit like what they do in Rome. They operate in the point-to-point model so they shouldn't really be an issue with splitting services between 2 airports. I guess we will have to wait and see what unfolds in the future.
With Wizz now in Barcelona (BCN), Rome (primarily FCO) and now moving from Glasgow PIK to GLA... as first pointed out, could Wizz be starting to look at larger airports and that meaning STN more of a consideration to them? Not long ago, there were even strong rumours of them moving from LPL to MAN.
I think the most we'd see though is a few routes moving over so that they would operate from 2 London airports. A bit like what they do in Rome. They operate in the point-to-point model so they shouldn't really be an issue with splitting services between 2 airports. I guess we will have to wait and see what unfolds in the future.
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Wizz did split the KTW route a few years ago trying the early afternoon dep from STN.
From all accounts it wasn't a success especially when Ryanair turned up on the route so got transferred back to LTN.
Doesn't mean they wouldn't consider changes again but would take a long ,hard look first!
Wizz did split the KTW route a few years ago trying the early afternoon dep from STN.
From all accounts it wasn't a success especially when Ryanair turned up on the route so got transferred back to LTN.
Doesn't mean they wouldn't consider changes again but would take a long ,hard look first!
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Why would Wizz want to move? The BAA failed, so why what could MAG do more? With easy slowly exiting £1.5bn International, only a bungling management would allow Wizz to depart.
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JANUARY 2013 PASSENGER FIGURES
The provisional passengerr numbers for January 2013 are 573,716 a decline of 1.8 per cent. The rolling 12 month figure is 9,603,445 a 0.9 per cent rise. With both Birmingham and Edinburgh also both showing a decline Luton still seems to be comfortably holding on to fifth place in passenger numbers at the moment.
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This was once part of Airports Group International that originally took on the Luton concession. I guess the contracts passed through TBI and onward to Abertis?
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Night Time hours?
Pabely,
It personally frustrates me when these anti airport groups constantly mis-inform the public. In addition to the lie regarding night flights, one group states- irrelevant of which runway is in use, all flights fly over Flamstead! From what I observe when runway 08 is in use the majority of flights fly to the north of Luton passing Leighton Buzzard area before descending over Caddington. When they depart runway 08 not all flights turn around to head west over Flamstead! Now I have been reminded in this forum to hold a mature discussion on the subject- but it is so frustrating they get away with constant misinformation. If the noise was so awful and intolerable every home in Cutenhoe Road and Strathmore Avenue and my road would be un-liveable but the fact remains that once the properties go up for sale they are snapped up! Can someone in this forum tell me what constitutes 'night time' as those anti airport campaigners are quoting 11pm until 7pm but I disagree with those hours and can not find anything to substantiate their times.
It personally frustrates me when these anti airport groups constantly mis-inform the public. In addition to the lie regarding night flights, one group states- irrelevant of which runway is in use, all flights fly over Flamstead! From what I observe when runway 08 is in use the majority of flights fly to the north of Luton passing Leighton Buzzard area before descending over Caddington. When they depart runway 08 not all flights turn around to head west over Flamstead! Now I have been reminded in this forum to hold a mature discussion on the subject- but it is so frustrating they get away with constant misinformation. If the noise was so awful and intolerable every home in Cutenhoe Road and Strathmore Avenue and my road would be un-liveable but the fact remains that once the properties go up for sale they are snapped up! Can someone in this forum tell me what constitutes 'night time' as those anti airport campaigners are quoting 11pm until 7pm but I disagree with those hours and can not find anything to substantiate their times.
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AIRCRAFT NOISE
Quite agree with you Lee. I think the night time hours are 2300-0600 but I am sure someone who really knows these things will verify. Regarding noise complaints - Luton has had a concrete runway since 1960 so if my maths are correct that makes 53 years, so assume when someone buys a property of their own unless there are now over 70 they knew or should have known there was an airport close by with subsequent noise. Maybe the people who have moved to the area over the last 20 years to Flamstead etc could explain to me and everybody else why they bought a property knowing full well about aircraft noise. I am sure there are many other areas in Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire which they could relocate to.
Some years ago I worked with a guy whose father lived in Hitchin and complained about aircraft noise. When he went on a foreign holiday he always used Luton ´´because it was so convenient´´.
I rest my case.
Some years ago I worked with a guy whose father lived in Hitchin and complained about aircraft noise. When he went on a foreign holiday he always used Luton ´´because it was so convenient´´.
I rest my case.
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The last couple of posts give me a feeling of 'deja vu'.
This is exactly what happened at SEN when Stobart's sought planning consent for the runway extension etc.. The 'antis' are not interested in the truth, but only is distorting the facts to suit their very biased agenda. I don't think you have too much to worry about though; it isn't really their ability to convince a few local people with their rants that counts. The experience at SEN was that the Council remained remarkably positive throughout and all the protesters' bluster counted for very little when the time came for the vote in Council.
I know some here are a little anti-SEN in their attitudes, but I think they may come to be grateful for SEN setting the precedent recently for substantial development at a LON airport.
This is exactly what happened at SEN when Stobart's sought planning consent for the runway extension etc.. The 'antis' are not interested in the truth, but only is distorting the facts to suit their very biased agenda. I don't think you have too much to worry about though; it isn't really their ability to convince a few local people with their rants that counts. The experience at SEN was that the Council remained remarkably positive throughout and all the protesters' bluster counted for very little when the time came for the vote in Council.
I know some here are a little anti-SEN in their attitudes, but I think they may come to be grateful for SEN setting the precedent recently for substantial development at a LON airport.
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All I can say is I own a property off Tennyson Road, quite close to the £1M properties and have no issue, I bought knowing full well about noise, sometimes the M1 is more of an issue. God, it's better than the Court Line and Monach/Dan Air days/nights.
Perhaps they should have bought in Berkshire!
I no longer buy Herts local papers.
Perhaps they should have bought in Berkshire!
I no longer buy Herts local papers.
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It is always worth adding online comment to the anti Luton Airport articles that appear in the various Hertfordshire newspapers. It takes seconds to join and it is great getting into debate with the village idiots who always have something to say.
It doesn't take much to wind them up so it has become almost a sport as I put them right on their distorted facts.
It doesn't take much to wind them up so it has become almost a sport as I put them right on their distorted facts.
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Luton Airport petition gathers pace - News - The Comet
Scroll down the page and view the comments. This thread is closed now but this is why people here should sign up.
Most Luton Airport stories have a comment section in the Hertfordshire press.
Scroll down the page and view the comments. This thread is closed now but this is why people here should sign up.
Most Luton Airport stories have a comment section in the Hertfordshire press.
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That's a very good suggestion.
I have it on very good authority that similar support for SEN in the local press, especially when the opportunity was used to destroy the credibility of the 'antis'' arguments, had the effect of reassuring a number of Councillors who may have been wavering.
The only advice I would offer is to never allow yourself to be provoked into a slanging match; better to let your opponents show themselves up by hurling insults at you.
That's a very good suggestion.
I have it on very good authority that similar support for SEN in the local press, especially when the opportunity was used to destroy the credibility of the 'antis'' arguments, had the effect of reassuring a number of Councillors who may have been wavering.
The only advice I would offer is to never allow yourself to be provoked into a slanging match; better to let your opponents show themselves up by hurling insults at you.
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Night Flights - definition
According to a very recent House of Commons Library briefing note:
"One of the ways in which government (central and local), the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) and airports themselves seek to mitigate the problem is by limiting the number of flights and the type of aircraft that fly into and out of airports during the early morning (usually from about 2300 to 0700). These are generally referred to as ‘night flights’."
CAA seem to agree: 23.00 - 07.00 local time when producing their day-time noise data, which cover the other 16 hours.
"One of the ways in which government (central and local), the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) and airports themselves seek to mitigate the problem is by limiting the number of flights and the type of aircraft that fly into and out of airports during the early morning (usually from about 2300 to 0700). These are generally referred to as ‘night flights’."
CAA seem to agree: 23.00 - 07.00 local time when producing their day-time noise data, which cover the other 16 hours.
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The Nimby's can protest all they want, They managed a huge crowd of about 8 people in the town center the other day.. wowy.
The council is desperate for money, The airport is what will keep Luton alive and I think most citizens of the town here realize this.
This will be one of those rare ocassions where "money talks" for the better.
The council is desperate for money, The airport is what will keep Luton alive and I think most citizens of the town here realize this.
This will be one of those rare ocassions where "money talks" for the better.
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Hello Questor, I managed to find something a bit more definitive in that LHR, LGW and STN define their night quota’s being between 23.30 and 06.30 hours. As things currently stand flights start departing LTN typically after 06.00 and arrivals begin around 07.00 hours. Peak time appears to be 8am to 9am.
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New petition launched in Luton Airport campaign - News - The Comet
New story in the Comet today with the anti Luton Airport people putting in their comments at the bottom of the page. This is a good time to sign up and put a different point of view
New story in the Comet today with the anti Luton Airport people putting in their comments at the bottom of the page. This is a good time to sign up and put a different point of view
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Not long ago, there were even strong rumours of them moving from LPL to MAN.
Wizz are staying at LPL so it probably worked!