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Fortunately LBC have pointed out that the planning application is still going ahead and under the terms of the lease and recent agreement, any potential new leaseholder will be obliged to honour that agreement. That’s at least a good thing, unless of course you live many miles away from the airport and partake in anti airport demonstrations.
Re: LTN bailing out the council for the Love Luton festival. Is that really a bad thing? Its like a marketing budget for the town; you probably expect to make a profit, but if you don't, its spent on good column inches for the town - something it wrongly doesn't seem to get that often.
FAO runway08 - maybe the council could fund a new stadium from the airport fees? I won't hold my breath, but here's hoping!!
FAO runway08 - maybe the council could fund a new stadium from the airport fees? I won't hold my breath, but here's hoping!!
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Due to an imminent 6% increase in passenger charges at Stansted , FR have stated they will be removing 170 flights a week from the airport. I wonder if LTN could benefit in some way from this threat of action by them and possibly other airlines?
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Due to an imminent 6% increase in passenger charges at Stansted , FR have stated they will be removing 170 flights a week from the airport. I wonder if LTN could benefit in some way from this threat of action by them and possibly other airlines?
Seems like Gatwick are also increasing their fees, be interesting to know how Luton compares in the grand scheme of London airports.
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I think there has been demand from the airlines for more stands for a long time as most stands are full most nights. Why do you think non of the LTN based airlines have really expanded out of Luton over the last few years while they have expanded elsewhere?
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Why would you worry about Wizz moving?
It's getting to be nonsense now to be honest with you. They have no desire to leave from what we can read about it, They have grown remarkably and are happy with Luton yet because STN has been sold all of a sudden they will want to risk everything and hop out of LTN in a heartbeat for no reason.
Do they want to risk going head2head at Ryanairs home base? Nope.
Do they want to pay higher fees? Nope.
Do they require a longer runway? Nope.
I would even argue most of their PAX are based in LTN and the surrounding area.
So why are they going to leave? I am intrigued..
It's getting to be nonsense now to be honest with you. They have no desire to leave from what we can read about it, They have grown remarkably and are happy with Luton yet because STN has been sold all of a sudden they will want to risk everything and hop out of LTN in a heartbeat for no reason.
Do they want to risk going head2head at Ryanairs home base? Nope.
Do they want to pay higher fees? Nope.
Do they require a longer runway? Nope.
I would even argue most of their PAX are based in LTN and the surrounding area.
So why are they going to leave? I am intrigued..
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I don't think there is much to worry about Wizz Air moving, but the management at the airport do need to keep in mind that there is a possibility of another airport could come along and offer them a better deal with better facilities!
I also do not see the threat by Ryanair as smoke and mirrors, and they have withdrawn from many airports that didn't meet their demands and prices they wanted to pay! Dublin, Shannon, Madrid and Alicante all come to mind...
While the airport is pretty full, they have had the opportunities to attract traffic from STN from the likes of German Wings, Norwegian and Air Berlin, who do not base aircraft at any London Airport...
Also Thomson and Monarch have removed an aircraft or two from Luton in recent years, so there has been space to add a few Ryanair aircraft, but they haven't.
While airlines usually agree confidential terms and prices to fly from an airport... Would anyone know Luton's published fees and hows these compare to Stansted and Gatwick, and if they are really that attractive?
I also do not see the threat by Ryanair as smoke and mirrors, and they have withdrawn from many airports that didn't meet their demands and prices they wanted to pay! Dublin, Shannon, Madrid and Alicante all come to mind...
While the airport is pretty full, they have had the opportunities to attract traffic from STN from the likes of German Wings, Norwegian and Air Berlin, who do not base aircraft at any London Airport...
Also Thomson and Monarch have removed an aircraft or two from Luton in recent years, so there has been space to add a few Ryanair aircraft, but they haven't.
While airlines usually agree confidential terms and prices to fly from an airport... Would anyone know Luton's published fees and hows these compare to Stansted and Gatwick, and if they are really that attractive?
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Giles,
The published figures are available on the Airport website under publications/ operations.The figure there shows an increase from 2012/2013 of £6.90(domestic) £10.56 (Int) to £7.09 and £10.84 respectively for 2013/2014.
As you say the airlines have confidential agreements with the Airport and are obviously not paying these figures.Interesting that the yearly increase does seem minuscule though.
By the way Norwegian moved to LGW a while back now from STN.
Agree that Ryanair haven't really shown any desire to expand from LTN in a while.They could do more with a/c from overseas bases if they wanted but I guess they will only put the pax numbers through LTN that have been agreed.
As I have said before on the threads they showed no desire to base a/c at other London airports when Easy was expanding deciding all eggs in one basket at STN was ok.Now all they have to do is agree with MAG at STN - toys out of pram comes to mind again.
The published figures are available on the Airport website under publications/ operations.The figure there shows an increase from 2012/2013 of £6.90(domestic) £10.56 (Int) to £7.09 and £10.84 respectively for 2013/2014.
As you say the airlines have confidential agreements with the Airport and are obviously not paying these figures.Interesting that the yearly increase does seem minuscule though.
By the way Norwegian moved to LGW a while back now from STN.
Agree that Ryanair haven't really shown any desire to expand from LTN in a while.They could do more with a/c from overseas bases if they wanted but I guess they will only put the pax numbers through LTN that have been agreed.
As I have said before on the threads they showed no desire to base a/c at other London airports when Easy was expanding deciding all eggs in one basket at STN was ok.Now all they have to do is agree with MAG at STN - toys out of pram comes to mind again.
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Ryanair just seems to have the odds and sods that Stansted doesn't have eg. Beziers, Nimes and Trapani or Malta and Marrakech for instance which have only been served from Stansted for a short while and still the frequencies remain higher in Luton. These, with a few other routes that have very little competition is near enough all FR serve from Luton. The only major exception really is the Dublin route.
Luton still has a lot of the, I suppose you could call it "traditional" FR routes like Reus, Girona and Murcia in Spain for example and not Alicante, Barcelona, Malaga, Palma. In fact, Luton is often the only one of FR's UK bases that doesn't have Ryanair flights to these popular bucket and spade routes.
With EZY, TOM and ZB on a lot of the more popular med routes like these and Wizz with Eastern Europe well covered, I don't really think Ryanair really has anything else to bring to Luton.
Luton still has a lot of the, I suppose you could call it "traditional" FR routes like Reus, Girona and Murcia in Spain for example and not Alicante, Barcelona, Malaga, Palma. In fact, Luton is often the only one of FR's UK bases that doesn't have Ryanair flights to these popular bucket and spade routes.
With EZY, TOM and ZB on a lot of the more popular med routes like these and Wizz with Eastern Europe well covered, I don't really think Ryanair really has anything else to bring to Luton.
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I don't really think Ryanair really has anything else to bring to Luton.
The airport has no routes to Scandinavia, while all other London areas, serve this area. Which is one of the most affluent areas of Europe.
I can also think of numerous cities in Germany and Italy, that the airport could benefit from, especially the likes of Venice, Cologne and maybe Frankfurt.
Croatia could also benefit with some connections to the likes Pula and Dubrovnik. I never understood, why Wizz Air pulled off the latter route, I used it 3-4 times and it was full everytime.
While talking about routes, that reminded me, my mum was complaining like crazy that she couldn't book with Thomson to fly from Luton this summer to Alicante, as booked a holiday to Denia on the Costa Blanca. Ended up having to fly from Birmingham. (She is of the old school who still does packages.)
I am pretty surprised by this, and thought she was mistaken. Until I checked on their website and definitely not fly there. Would have thought this was one of the tour operators busiest destinations?!
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Scandinavia......them roumers!
I was just stating routes that Ryanair COULD fly from Luton, if they were to increase ops at the airport, and not overlap on routes other airlines fly from the airport and where there are possibly holes in the destinations that the airport doesn't fly to.
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