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Old 24th Sep 2013, 23:41
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Yes it dose look like Ryanair have decided suspend flights to Gdansk and Vilnius for the winter season from LBA seen as they are both no longer on sale. But they won't be sending aircraft to either DSA or HUY to operate the routes instead.
As far as I understand there is still enough work at LBA for 2 operational aircraft every day with a 3rd aircraft remaining parked up acting as a spare back up which will be used when required to pick up the pieces in case of delays or diverts due weather.

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Old 25th Sep 2013, 00:06
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Still given the lack of flights conpared to LBA/HUY.
It must be tempting to wade in with a few routes and a new base.
With Ryanair They probably be cheaper than the last time it was tried.
And one cant use it as an excuse for being too short a sector as they iperate LPL-DUB.
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Old 25th Sep 2013, 09:43
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Anyone know why FR having another press conference in London today, noticed they tweeted it would was delayed due to fog at DUB.
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Old 25th Sep 2013, 09:54
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Onyx - Sadly, you have the airline industry's thought-process quite wrong (as davidjohnson6 has already indicated). Ryanair will likely never be motivated by an urge to serve an airport based on its geographical location (although this factor can rule a place out). Mayors and councillors concern themselves with civic pride. Airline companies concern themselves with profit opportunities. In the case of Ryanair, they have the whole of Europe to choose from ... not just regions of the British Isles. And certain established bases within the British Isles already have expansion agreements cemented in place with Ryanair. DSA and HUY may indeed be fine places, but would a dispassionate airline accountant identify them as Europe's most compelling untapped profit opportunity at this time? I suspect not.

And why would serving DSA "probably be cheaper than the last time it was tried"? Has there been deflation? Have airport running costs tumbled? Have councillors in Yorkshire and Humberside (facing budget cuts in common with other councils) decided that a substantial slice of their falling revenue should be dedicated to subsidising airline routes? Has Yorkshire's tourist board established a financial incentive package to attract air services? Is the area a compelling mass tourism destination or a hotspot for migrant labour flows? In the absence of these factors lining up for Ryanair at DSA, I suspect that the airport will be seen as less "tempting" than many competing opportunities across Europe.

It is a common misconception amongst the public that airlines are motivated to plug gaps on a map. They may give the impression of doing so at times - but be assured that profit opportunity is the true underlying incentive. Ask not where there is a hole in the network. Ask where there is a financially lucrative untapped market! And one which is even more compelling than all the other contenders across Europe vying for scarce air carrier resources.

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Old 25th Sep 2013, 11:03
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I can only salute Shed-on-a-Pole's eloquence and agree 100%.

IIRC Ryanair's fleet size is actually static or shrinking slightly over the next season or two until the next deliveries start. They will therefore be playing current and wannabee destination airports off each other even more aggressively (sorry, I mean "abruptly" ) than before. Moreover, they have recently signed a major expansion agreement with MAG which will see their additional UK capacity growth centred on STN.

Given their (understandable) hostility to UK APD, it is hard to see a compelling case for them to base any further capacity in the UK as opposed to some other European market.

And that's even before thinking about whether there's a specific market in DSA or HUY, or (more relevant) whether the airport operators, tourist authorities and local councils are prepared to cough up substantial sums of incentive cash to facilitate the resulting stream of outbound leisure passengers (because sorry, the traffic on any such flights will be predominantly outbound).

Do you think if we as passengers asked he would consider basing a few at Dsa or a couple at Huy.
So with a half empty airport. Huge runway and Scope for expansion. Whats he waiting for
There are airports which are half (or more) empty, with huge runways and scope for expansion, all over Europe. The answer to your second question is very simple: he is waiting for a large quantum of financial support. If you as passengers attached a cheque for a million or two a year, payable to Airport Marketing Services, to your request, you might get your base (and some jolly-good-value marketing links on the Ryanair website too). Otherwise, the answer to your first question is here.
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Old 25th Sep 2013, 11:45
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I think the down-trend in Ryanair's popularity might be more pronounced than we expected. What I've just learned, the HHN - TMP route, formerly a great runner, will be also suspended! This route used to be one of the best routes from HHN, traditionally one with the extraordinary LF's and yield, taking one of the top routes in local (HHN) statistics. Look what's happening, this route became much less popular now, not enough to continue, a very momentous issue for me.

Not sure if you use the term "litmus test" as a metaphor, but here we have an example. Finnish customers' behaviour could be used as an early indicator of those of a general Western-European population. In a way Finns are more sensitive, vulnerable, susceptible. The more mistrust arises from the media and the more we encounter all this insane "standing places" or "toilet savings" propaganda, the clearer drop of interest in using the carrier. More prudent, less price-sensitive? I don't know, but that seems to be the case. Why do I think so? Well, there are e.g. fundamental differences between Tampere (where Finns are the majority of passengers) and Lappeenranta (most of passengers come from St. Petersburg, Finns are just some 20% or so). In the same period TMP results are deteriorating, LPP constantly excellent. Maybe I'm putting the cat among the pigeons right now, but please don't get me wrong, I do not try to categorize the passengers as "better" or "worse", nothing of that kind. That should serve as an indicator and maybe as warning as well. Beware what and to whom are you talking and how do you treat your customers, it can influence your popularity in the way you probably didn't expect. The choice of any carrier's future routes and destinations as well.
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Old 25th Sep 2013, 11:54
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According to a short item on BBC Radio4 at lunchtime today, the Ryanair press conference this morning was about (1) accepting Amex (to facilitate corporate travel bookings) and (2) simplify the website booking process.
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Old 25th Sep 2013, 12:00
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I think the down-trend in Ryanair's popularity might be more pronounced than we expected. What I've just learned, the HHN - TMP route, formerly a great runner, will be also suspended! This route used to be one of the best routes from HHN, traditionally one with the extraordinary LF's and yield, taking one of the top routes in local (HHN) statistics. Look what's happening, this route became much less popular now, not enough to continue, a very momentous issue for me.
What has been the trend through the winter months for PAX numbers both inbound and outbound ?
In addition what level of delays have occurred that are weather related ?
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Old 25th Sep 2013, 12:16
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^^ A further issue with HHN is of course linked to its usage as the connecting airport, for connecting flights I mean. For many pax it used to be a great place to make self-projected connections. With daily flights (for some time even twice-daily), one was able to make as many connecting flights as the imagination allowed. Recently it wasn't possible any more. With diminishing frequencies, even if one-way connection found, the swift return wasn't possible. Another opportunity (for both pax and FR) lost.

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Old 25th Sep 2013, 20:51
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Following suspended shortly after start of winter season. Most likely to come back just before the summer season.

Gdańsk - Birmingham (flights to November 5)
Modlin - Frankfurt Hahn Airport (flights to 4 November)
Modlin - Dusseldorf Weeze (flights to November 4)
Poznan - East Midlands (flights to November 5)
Poznan - Edinburgh (flights to 4 November)
Lodz - Edinburgh (flights to November 3)
Lodz - Liverpool (flights to November 3)
Wroclaw - Bournemouth (flights to November 4)
Wroclaw - Malmo (flights to November 5)
Rzeszow - Bristol (flights to 4 November)
Rzeszow - Glasgow / Prestwick (flights to November 3)
Lublin - Liverpool (flights to November 4)
Katowice - Edinburgh (flights to 3 November)
Kraków - Gothenburg (flights to November 5)
Krakow - Billund (flights to November 5).

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Old 26th Sep 2013, 09:37
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Looks like Ryanair are going to announce a base for Modlin in the next few hours!
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Old 26th Sep 2013, 12:59
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(Poland)

...and a couple of domestic routes there.
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Old 26th Sep 2013, 13:22
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Corporate bookings

I note that Ryanair has decided to accept Amex to facilitate bookings from the corporate market. Ryanair's average route length is about 1h45 and Europe generally has a well developed air and ground transport infrastructure. This means that for all but the smallest of airports, there is usually a half decent indirect alternative to flying Ryanair if such a reason exists. The generally accepted wisdom is that to attract those flying within Europe on business (and prepared to pay big corporate cash), one needs to provide a good frequency of flights to airports that are within fairly easy reach of commercial centres.

I accept that some routes are more likely to win corporate business than others by virtue of importance of different airports (e.g. Dublin versus Rodez), but the topic of route frequency still puzzles me. Is there a serious plan to raise frequency on routes which may have business appeal ?
Furthermore, is there a plan to make reservation systems more integrated with the rest of the corporate travel market, possibly extending to listing flights on GDS like Amadeus or will there be a reliance upon corporate travellers booking flights on their own Amex individually ?

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Old 26th Sep 2013, 14:06
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First Polish domestic routes

NEW ROUTES:

Warsaw Modlin - Gdansk
Warsaw Modlin - Wroclaw
Warsaw Modlin - Alicante
Warsaw Modlin - Thessaloniki
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Old 26th Sep 2013, 15:02
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FR have won in south Belgium. The planned 3 euro travel tax as being scrapped.
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Old 30th Sep 2013, 15:42
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Ryanair email address follows consumer agency action - Consumer News & Advice | Pricewatch, Money Advice | The Irish Time - Mon, Sep 30, 2013

Only available to Irish passengers.

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Old 30th Sep 2013, 16:14
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Ryanair Apr-Jun 14

Hi all.
I see FR have rolled out initial schedule at STN for Apr-Jun14 for routes such as RHO.

Any ideas when we can expect to see other UK departures for the same period?
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Old 2nd Oct 2013, 18:47
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So Ryanair were hit with an 8 million euro fine today in France over the MRS base employment. Ryanair join a growing list to be fined, Easyjet and Cityjet have had similar rulings. Needless to say FR to appeal it.

Ryanair To Appeal French Court Ruling Fines
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Old 3rd Oct 2013, 15:58
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Edinburgh / Barcelona to be axed due to poor loadings - now that's a surprise .
Jet 2 must be favourites as there are " discussions with other airlines "
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Old 3rd Oct 2013, 18:47
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Don't Vueling operate seasonally on the route? Can't they just be persuaded to operate year-round rather than the typical EZY, LS or FR.
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