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Old 2nd May 2013, 17:45
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Nothing more out of what I wrote.
I want an airline, or any kind of business, which can make money not exploiting workers, or making the prices lower because workers have to pay for things that they shouldn't pay.
Can you imagine a doctor paying for an scalpel or an electric company worker has to pay for his/her gear, or tools.
Buying a ticket from Ryan air is like buying clothing from an store which produces in places like Bangladesh, when you buy a ticket in Ryan air you promote that somebody can treat employees like they do.
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Old 2nd May 2013, 18:58
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OAD is barking up the wrong tree here.

No deal with local airport owners across Europe by Ryanair has been arrived at without the consent of both parties - or do Ryanair simply hold a gun to the heads of the owners in order to have their dastardly way? In other words, it takes two to party.

I really do believe that any subsidies offered by local tourist organisations are outweighed by the volume of traffic/passengers deposited in the local area. Let's talk about one area I know, which I fly to regularly using Ryanair.

Carcassonne is a lovely little town in Southern France. If you choose to drive there, it's a day and a half from most parts of the UK - that's if you knew where it was! And why would you go there unless you had studied the local area and decided it was exactly right for you?

Fly there with Ryanair to see whether it takes your fancy and stay for a week. You would as an individual, bring a value of say 125 euro per day (a modest amount) to the local economy - 875 euro over a week. Now multiply that by say 160 passengers per flight, and (I estimate) 30 flights per week. Total is 4.2m euro per week. I suspect that any politician worth his salt would be wowed by that kind of result, while being totally unable to replicate it!

This is an area which was mainly agricultural until Ryanair decided, with the help of the local tourist agency, to start using an underused resource (a reasonable airport) in a place which offers all kinds of interesting things for visitors to do.

The results from this iniquitous arrangement are as follows; an improved airport which I think now serves eight locations across Europe; an economy which has benefited enormously from a mutually acceptable commercial arrangement; jobs at Ryanair, the Airport and in local businesses.

And when this turns out to be such a bad arrangement, any party to the agreement can I'm certain, walk away from the deal.

I might add that I have no relationship with Ryanair apart from that of a satisfied customer.
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Old 2nd May 2013, 19:02
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Smile FR model

Great post and explains in end user terms just why FR have got it right !
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Old 2nd May 2013, 19:18
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FR model

And yet every now and then ........

FR vat refund court case defeated €707,000 owed to revenue Roi
Over EI bid work


Sorry Ducksie tats another few cents down
The tubes on te mad obsession...
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Old 2nd May 2013, 19:41
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I used it 2 times, and 1 more my wife, we promised not to fly with them anymore, and of course, being a responsible customers not buying from slavers.
I'm sorry but are you saying that the 80 million people a year who fly with Ryanair are not responsible? I've heard people in the past saying that people who fly with Ryanair are not responsible and how it infuriates me!

How is a passenger who chooses to travel with just the neccessities, and a basic service, forgetting the luxuries in return for a lower cost flight being irresponsible? I make that, both economically and environmentally more responsible, and sustainable.

Forget the FR model and subsidies from local governments etc. for a minute. Just explain how THE CONSUMER is being irresponsible by flying with Ryanair...
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Old 3rd May 2013, 08:23
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Being sustainable and economic, doesn't mean not to respect the rights of workers, or to play with the needs of having a job of people in south Europe. If you are unemployed for years, with children, you grip whatever job, then after a while you realize you are in a nightmare, or in a rat race.
That is Ryan air "a big rat race"
Everybody in the airline industry knows how companies like ryanair behave, with the work force. Turning the face out of the problem doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist anymore.
And yes, 80 million can be irresponsible, like people buying clothing made in poor countries, with almost slave work force, or buying cheap electronic, made with coltan or lithium from Congo, countries with almost slave work force, that is irresponsible, people who never suffered, things like going barefoot to the school, or with the stomach empty for days, or just there is no school, or state to protect the rights, will never think 80 million can be irresponsible. The blindness of the medium class in developed countries is very irresponsible. It is the same blindness when we don't want to hear or read about Ryan air, ryan air is the worst employer in Europe's airlines.
Yes, I am with the subsides to develop certain regions or industries, there is nothing wrong with that, if a company can not do a job respecting all what is concerned in its field, the state can subsidize, but if after getting the tax payers money, the companies still don't respect the worker's rights or pay crappy salaries, they are just stilling money from tax payers.
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Old 3rd May 2013, 08:25
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One more thing if you INFURIATES with people's opinions, YOU are the one who have a problem.
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Aww did you get turned down by Ryan i have no problems with them but you seem to be paranoid
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Old 3rd May 2013, 12:58
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I never applied to ryan, I will never do it
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Old 3rd May 2013, 14:46
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OAD.

a) Never at any point did I state you had a problem so I don't know why you are emphasising that I have.

b) What infuriates me (as I've said before) is the lack of analysis and just jumping to conclusions. Simply concluding the customers are irresponsible by flying Ryanair because of how the company magages its workforce is a classic example of that! How companies manage their workforce is internal information and companies don't tend to share a lot of that information.

c) The sad but truthful fact... Exploitation of workers happens through trade right across the world, as you quite nicely illustrate. Unfortuneately, as much as we try to change this, it will always be a problem. That's just the world we live in.

I'm not entirely sure though how that directly links to Ryanair. Yes they pay lower saleries and and make staff pay for their own food/drink etc. but they are one of the indutry's biggest employers in the world. The workers still have rights, if they were so unhappy then why have I never known Ryanair to have a single strike.

It's just how Ryanair trades competitively, through cost cutting in any way they can. In a case of "trade vs aid", aid wins hands down for you, since you support the subsidies but in any measure to trade more competitvely, you call people irresponsible or say they have no rights. Trade is never fair no matter how you do it. The only fair trade is no trade!
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Old 3rd May 2013, 16:54
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but they are one of the indutry's biggest employers in the world. The workers still have rights, if they were so unhappy then why have I never known Ryanair to have a single strike.
FRatSTN, Depends how one defines "employers" and "rights". Many of those who work for Ryanair do so on a self employed basis which means, I believe, they do not have the same "rights" as contracted employees.

Concerning strikes, such action is more organised and also less vulnerable to the individual where there is union representation.
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Old 3rd May 2013, 20:48
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a) yes, you don't mention that I have a problem, I mentioned you have a problem when people's opinions infuriate you.
b) what I wrote is not just a lack of analysis and just jumping to conclusions, I studied very much about economics, social studies, etc., so much to explain here. You don't need to wait until ryan air publishes how they treat its work force, what it will never do, every single person who gets out of, will tell you, "awful", it's a matter of fact.
c) I know I am nothing in this world, but at least I don't cooperate with business like that.

It's not about food and drink, that is nothing, but ryan air is one of the biggest???, I give you a link World's largest airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia it comes up only by passengers, but by fleet size and employees ryan air is nothing.
Many workers in ryan air are self employed, and saying the word "union" is getting fired virtually on the spot
Trade is competition, right, but not exploitation, with that thinking the cotton producers in south USA, using slavers, they were the best traders, give me a break.
Yes, subsidies are ok, to boost a certain part of the economy until it works by it self. Not boosting companies profits forever.

Study and read more books. Real books. I you excuse me I recommend you one book "Grand Manila" by Kjartan Fløgstad

Sorry, I end this issue.
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Sorry, I end this issue.
Good. If you choose to not fly with Ryanair because you hold that view then that's fine, but don't be so judgemental and go condemning all the customers who think differently to you!
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Old 3rd May 2013, 21:32
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Being sustainable and economic, doesn't mean not to respect the rights of workers, or to play with the needs of having a job of people in south Europe. If you are unemployed for years, with children, you grip whatever job, then after a while you realize you are in a nightmare, or in a rat race.
That is Ryan air "a big rat race"
Everybody in the airline industry knows how companies like ryanair behave, with the work force. Turning the face out of the problem doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist anymore.
And yes, 80 million can be irresponsible, like people buying clothing made in poor countries, with almost slave work force, or buying cheap electronic, made with coltan or lithium from Congo, countries with almost slave work force, that is irresponsible, people who never suffered, things like going barefoot to the school, or with the stomach empty for days, or just there is no school, or state to protect the rights, will never think 80 million can be irresponsible. The blindness of the medium class in developed countries is very irresponsible. It is the same blindness when we don't want to hear or read about Ryan air, ryan air is the worst employer in Europe's airlines.
Yes, I am with the subsides to develop certain regions or industries, there is nothing wrong with that, if a company can not do a job respecting all what is concerned in its field, the state can subsidize, but if after getting the tax payers money, the companies still don't respect the worker's rights or pay crappy salaries, they are just stilling money from tax payers.
Really so how exactly has the hundreds of millions in aid by Govts to legacy airlines benefited the travelling public ? Bloated salaries, overinflated pensions and looking after politicians while fares kept artificially high.

You seem to have a gripe claiming that Ryanair get aid where as the Catalan Govt was quite happy to fund Spanair via various means, National airlines get Govt inspired assistance whether its through Slot allocation at national airports, atc inspired preferences and subsidies by forcing civil servants to fly certain airlines at max price.

A million by a regional Govt to Ryanair will ensure lots of routes and lots of new passengers into an underused airport already paid for which as pointed out will have a direct multiplier into the local economy.

Using emotive terms like slave labour show you really have no arguement only rhetoric which isn't new or original......................change the record.
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Key issue is the CEO at Ryanair is remarkably honest and forthright in his views. He doesn't play the game the old way, like say Air France and some of the other legacies. They have done tremendous things for people who know how to travel and managed to upset a whole load of people who er....don't.

There's a load of airports and jobs that wouldn't even be there without MOL and his company. The jobs might be poorly paid and the hours long but have a wee look around at our whole continent as we fall into decline, irrelevance and decacdance (that's enough - Ed).

Travel, jobs, commerce. Beggars can't be choosers. New aeroplane, cheap fare, credit card as back up. If you're getting overly worked up about Ryanair I could PM you a list of companies doing the planet and society an awful lot more harm.

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Anyone who compares the staff situation in Ryanair to that of slave labour in Asian clothing factories really needs to catch themselves on. Sensationalist is an understatement for bullsh*tters like OAD. Ryanair may not the best employer in Europe, but its by no means the worst.

Anyway, interesting article from CAPA on the potential for future growth in Germany for Ryanair:

No hamburgers or frankfurters, but Ryanair will be serving Germany more | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
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With Ryanair what is the boarding procedure? I never flown with Ryanair before and I will be flying bristol to Tenerife in June.

Is it going to be rush on free-for-all to get seats, as I don't want to be sat on my own for 4hrs15mins .

Also I have heard ryanir are awful for customer service and restrictions. Ad force many to pay extra charges for obscure things. I mean we are only taking one suitcase between 2 because it was about £75 more for extra baggage. And we have to check in online, it's all rather un airline like to me . My fav part was always checking in at the desk etc.

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Old 5th May 2013, 17:01
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With Ryanair what is the boarding procedure?
Make sure to be checked-in for both your outbound and inbound legs and to have your boarding passes for both journeys printed prior to departure.

Is it going to be rush on free-for-all to get seats, as I don't want to be sat on my own for 4hrs15mins .
Get in line and proceed to the aircraft, us on the ground don't allow a free for all boarding FR flights (or for any other airline) contrary to popular belief, also the cabin crew ensure prompt and efficient boarding (no scums). If you're eager to be sat with your family avail of priority boarding or pre-book seats via ryanair.com

Also I have heard ryanir are awful for customer service and restrictions. Ad force many to pay extra charges for obscure things. I mean we are only taking one suitcase between 2 because it was about £75 more for extra baggage. And we have to check in online, it's all rather un airline like to me . My fav part was always checking in at the desk etc.
They're not awful if you follow the guidelines and their T&C's. The only charges your going to incur are listed on the website so It's hardly obscure things? Baggage charges are the norm now with all carriers the legacy's have even faltered to economic sense who would have thought, check-in I'm afraid is now outdated easyJet have now followed Ryanair with 100% online check-in policy, anyhow why wait to check-in for over 2hrs when you can do it at the comfort of your own home just drop off your bag at the Bag & Tag desk at the airport and proceed to the gate, making sure your their 30mins prior to your scheduled departure time.

It's simple and cheap so no need to worry! Enjoy Tenerife.
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Fantastic post, Jack1985

I fail to see why some people find everything so obscure and unfriendly?

I mean... Like you said, all the rules are perfectly described at the Ryanair website, and they're pretty easy to understand. I've flown Ryanair over 30 times in the last couple of years and never had a scum boarding process; Never had a flight delayed for more than 15min; Always took a hand bag which is pretty much the exact size of the sizer at the gate so, no bag charge whatsoever and for what one needs for a week it's perfectly enough (Not counting pax with special needs of course); Young, energetic and friendly crew, always smiling and helping pax. In all honestly much better in general than British Airways in which I did got a free snack and a generous baggage allowance. Yes, it's nice, but is that the only thing that matters to some? Is it really worth the difference in price? Is it worth the average delays of 30min/1h on pretty much all flights I took? For me, above everything: A seat and a safe flight on time. And if the price is right even better!

I know that each one of us have different experiences. No flight is the same as other! But when you take over a certain number of flights with the same carrier you do wonder if you're just lucky or some people just like to be bitchy over little things because they expect great service for a small charge of ticket or because they didn't follow the rules they blame the airline for their own mistake!
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