Ryanair - 9
FR model
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Essex
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I used it 2 times, and 1 more my wife, we promised not to fly with them anymore, and of course, being a responsible customers not buying from slavers.
How is a passenger who chooses to travel with just the neccessities, and a basic service, forgetting the luxuries in return for a lower cost flight being irresponsible? I make that, both economically and environmentally more responsible, and sustainable.
Forget the FR model and subsidies from local governments etc. for a minute. Just explain how THE CONSUMER is being irresponsible by flying with Ryanair...
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: everywhere
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Being sustainable and economic, doesn't mean not to respect the rights of workers, or to play with the needs of having a job of people in south Europe. If you are unemployed for years, with children, you grip whatever job, then after a while you realize you are in a nightmare, or in a rat race.
That is Ryan air "a big rat race"
Everybody in the airline industry knows how companies like ryanair behave, with the work force. Turning the face out of the problem doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist anymore.
And yes, 80 million can be irresponsible, like people buying clothing made in poor countries, with almost slave work force, or buying cheap electronic, made with coltan or lithium from Congo, countries with almost slave work force, that is irresponsible, people who never suffered, things like going barefoot to the school, or with the stomach empty for days, or just there is no school, or state to protect the rights, will never think 80 million can be irresponsible. The blindness of the medium class in developed countries is very irresponsible. It is the same blindness when we don't want to hear or read about Ryan air, ryan air is the worst employer in Europe's airlines.
Yes, I am with the subsides to develop certain regions or industries, there is nothing wrong with that, if a company can not do a job respecting all what is concerned in its field, the state can subsidize, but if after getting the tax payers money, the companies still don't respect the worker's rights or pay crappy salaries, they are just stilling money from tax payers.
That is Ryan air "a big rat race"
Everybody in the airline industry knows how companies like ryanair behave, with the work force. Turning the face out of the problem doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist anymore.
And yes, 80 million can be irresponsible, like people buying clothing made in poor countries, with almost slave work force, or buying cheap electronic, made with coltan or lithium from Congo, countries with almost slave work force, that is irresponsible, people who never suffered, things like going barefoot to the school, or with the stomach empty for days, or just there is no school, or state to protect the rights, will never think 80 million can be irresponsible. The blindness of the medium class in developed countries is very irresponsible. It is the same blindness when we don't want to hear or read about Ryan air, ryan air is the worst employer in Europe's airlines.
Yes, I am with the subsides to develop certain regions or industries, there is nothing wrong with that, if a company can not do a job respecting all what is concerned in its field, the state can subsidize, but if after getting the tax payers money, the companies still don't respect the worker's rights or pay crappy salaries, they are just stilling money from tax payers.
i have no problems with them but you seem to be paranoid
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Essex
Posts: 1,245
OAD.
a) Never at any point did I state you had a problem so I don't know why you are emphasising that I have.
b) What infuriates me (as I've said before) is the lack of analysis and just jumping to conclusions. Simply concluding the customers are irresponsible by flying Ryanair because of how the company magages its workforce is a classic example of that! How companies manage their workforce is internal information and companies don't tend to share a lot of that information.
c) The sad but truthful fact... Exploitation of workers happens through trade right across the world, as you quite nicely illustrate. Unfortuneately, as much as we try to change this, it will always be a problem. That's just the world we live in.
I'm not entirely sure though how that directly links to Ryanair. Yes they pay lower saleries and and make staff pay for their own food/drink etc. but they are one of the indutry's biggest employers in the world. The workers still have rights, if they were so unhappy then why have I never known Ryanair to have a single strike.
It's just how Ryanair trades competitively, through cost cutting in any way they can. In a case of "trade vs aid", aid wins hands down for you, since you support the subsidies but in any measure to trade more competitvely, you call people irresponsible or say they have no rights. Trade is never fair no matter how you do it. The only fair trade is no trade!
a) Never at any point did I state you had a problem so I don't know why you are emphasising that I have.
b) What infuriates me (as I've said before) is the lack of analysis and just jumping to conclusions. Simply concluding the customers are irresponsible by flying Ryanair because of how the company magages its workforce is a classic example of that! How companies manage their workforce is internal information and companies don't tend to share a lot of that information.
c) The sad but truthful fact... Exploitation of workers happens through trade right across the world, as you quite nicely illustrate. Unfortuneately, as much as we try to change this, it will always be a problem. That's just the world we live in.
I'm not entirely sure though how that directly links to Ryanair. Yes they pay lower saleries and and make staff pay for their own food/drink etc. but they are one of the indutry's biggest employers in the world. The workers still have rights, if they were so unhappy then why have I never known Ryanair to have a single strike.
It's just how Ryanair trades competitively, through cost cutting in any way they can. In a case of "trade vs aid", aid wins hands down for you, since you support the subsidies but in any measure to trade more competitvely, you call people irresponsible or say they have no rights. Trade is never fair no matter how you do it. The only fair trade is no trade!
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but they are one of the indutry's biggest employers in the world. The workers still have rights, if they were so unhappy then why have I never known Ryanair to have a single strike.
Concerning strikes, such action is more organised and also less vulnerable to the individual where there is union representation.
Join Date: Jan 2011
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a) yes, you don't mention that I have a problem, I mentioned you have a problem when people's opinions infuriate you.
b) what I wrote is not just a lack of analysis and just jumping to conclusions, I studied very much about economics, social studies, etc., so much to explain here. You don't need to wait until ryan air publishes how they treat its work force, what it will never do, every single person who gets out of, will tell you, "awful", it's a matter of fact.
c) I know I am nothing in this world, but at least I don't cooperate with business like that.
It's not about food and drink, that is nothing, but ryan air is one of the biggest???,
I give you a link World's largest airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia it comes up only by passengers, but by fleet size and employees ryan air is nothing.
Many workers in ryan air are self employed, and saying the word "union" is getting fired virtually on the spot
Trade is competition, right, but not exploitation, with that thinking the cotton producers in south USA, using slavers, they were the best traders, give me a break.
Yes, subsidies are ok, to boost a certain part of the economy until it works by it self. Not boosting companies profits forever.
Study and read more books. Real books. I you excuse me I recommend you one book "Grand Manila" by Kjartan Fløgstad
Sorry, I end this issue.
b) what I wrote is not just a lack of analysis and just jumping to conclusions, I studied very much about economics, social studies, etc., so much to explain here. You don't need to wait until ryan air publishes how they treat its work force, what it will never do, every single person who gets out of, will tell you, "awful", it's a matter of fact.
c) I know I am nothing in this world, but at least I don't cooperate with business like that.
It's not about food and drink, that is nothing, but ryan air is one of the biggest???,
I give you a link World's largest airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia it comes up only by passengers, but by fleet size and employees ryan air is nothing.Many workers in ryan air are self employed, and saying the word "union" is getting fired virtually on the spot
Trade is competition, right, but not exploitation, with that thinking the cotton producers in south USA, using slavers, they were the best traders, give me a break.
Yes, subsidies are ok, to boost a certain part of the economy until it works by it self. Not boosting companies profits forever.
Study and read more books. Real books. I you excuse me I recommend you one book "Grand Manila" by Kjartan Fløgstad
Sorry, I end this issue.
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Darkest Surrey
Posts: 6,031
Being sustainable and economic, doesn't mean not to respect the rights of workers, or to play with the needs of having a job of people in south Europe. If you are unemployed for years, with children, you grip whatever job, then after a while you realize you are in a nightmare, or in a rat race.
That is Ryan air "a big rat race"
Everybody in the airline industry knows how companies like ryanair behave, with the work force. Turning the face out of the problem doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist anymore.
And yes, 80 million can be irresponsible, like people buying clothing made in poor countries, with almost slave work force, or buying cheap electronic, made with coltan or lithium from Congo, countries with almost slave work force, that is irresponsible, people who never suffered, things like going barefoot to the school, or with the stomach empty for days, or just there is no school, or state to protect the rights, will never think 80 million can be irresponsible. The blindness of the medium class in developed countries is very irresponsible. It is the same blindness when we don't want to hear or read about Ryan air, ryan air is the worst employer in Europe's airlines.
Yes, I am with the subsides to develop certain regions or industries, there is nothing wrong with that, if a company can not do a job respecting all what is concerned in its field, the state can subsidize, but if after getting the tax payers money, the companies still don't respect the worker's rights or pay crappy salaries, they are just stilling money from tax payers.
That is Ryan air "a big rat race"
Everybody in the airline industry knows how companies like ryanair behave, with the work force. Turning the face out of the problem doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist anymore.
And yes, 80 million can be irresponsible, like people buying clothing made in poor countries, with almost slave work force, or buying cheap electronic, made with coltan or lithium from Congo, countries with almost slave work force, that is irresponsible, people who never suffered, things like going barefoot to the school, or with the stomach empty for days, or just there is no school, or state to protect the rights, will never think 80 million can be irresponsible. The blindness of the medium class in developed countries is very irresponsible. It is the same blindness when we don't want to hear or read about Ryan air, ryan air is the worst employer in Europe's airlines.
Yes, I am with the subsides to develop certain regions or industries, there is nothing wrong with that, if a company can not do a job respecting all what is concerned in its field, the state can subsidize, but if after getting the tax payers money, the companies still don't respect the worker's rights or pay crappy salaries, they are just stilling money from tax payers.
You seem to have a gripe claiming that Ryanair get aid where as the Catalan Govt was quite happy to fund Spanair via various means, National airlines get Govt inspired assistance whether its through Slot allocation at national airports, atc inspired preferences and subsidies by forcing civil servants to fly certain airlines at max price.
A million by a regional Govt to Ryanair will ensure lots of routes and lots of new passengers into an underused airport already paid for which as pointed out will have a direct multiplier into the local economy.
Using emotive terms like slave labour show you really have no arguement only rhetoric which isn't new or original......................change the record.
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: London (Babylon-on-Thames)
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Posts: 6,168
Key issue is the CEO at Ryanair is remarkably honest and forthright in his views. He doesn't play the game the old way, like say Air France and some of the other legacies. They have done tremendous things for people who know how to travel and managed to upset a whole load of people who er....don't.
There's a load of airports and jobs that wouldn't even be there without MOL and his company. The jobs might be poorly paid and the hours long but have a wee look around at our whole continent as we fall into decline, irrelevance and decacdance (that's enough - Ed).
Travel, jobs, commerce. Beggars can't be choosers. New aeroplane, cheap fare, credit card as back up. If you're getting overly worked up about Ryanair I could PM you a list of companies doing the planet and society an awful lot more harm.
There's a load of airports and jobs that wouldn't even be there without MOL and his company. The jobs might be poorly paid and the hours long but have a wee look around at our whole continent as we fall into decline, irrelevance and decacdance (that's enough - Ed).
Travel, jobs, commerce. Beggars can't be choosers. New aeroplane, cheap fare, credit card as back up. If you're getting overly worked up about Ryanair I could PM you a list of companies doing the planet and society an awful lot more harm.
Last edited by Skipness One Echo; 4th May 2013 at 00:43.
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Ireland
Posts: 363
Anyone who compares the staff situation in Ryanair to that of slave labour in Asian clothing factories really needs to catch themselves on. Sensationalist is an understatement for bullsh*tters like OAD. Ryanair may not the best employer in Europe, but its by no means the worst.
Anyway, interesting article from CAPA on the potential for future growth in Germany for Ryanair:
No hamburgers or frankfurters, but Ryanair will be serving Germany more | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
Anyway, interesting article from CAPA on the potential for future growth in Germany for Ryanair:
No hamburgers or frankfurters, but Ryanair will be serving Germany more | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Plymouth
Posts: 387
With Ryanair what is the boarding procedure? I never flown with Ryanair before and I will be flying bristol to Tenerife in June.
Is it going to be rush on free-for-all to get seats, as I don't want to be sat on my own for 4hrs15mins
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Also I have heard ryanir are awful for customer service and restrictions. Ad force many to pay extra charges for obscure things. I mean we are only taking one suitcase between 2 because it was about £75 more for extra baggage. And we have to check in online, it's all rather un airline like to me. My fav part was always checking in at the desk etc.
Is it going to be rush on free-for-all to get seats, as I don't want to be sat on my own for 4hrs15mins
.Also I have heard ryanir are awful for customer service and restrictions. Ad force many to pay extra charges for obscure things. I mean we are only taking one suitcase between 2 because it was about £75 more for extra baggage. And we have to check in online, it's all rather un airline like to me
. My fav part was always checking in at the desk etc.
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Ireland
Posts: 1,166
With Ryanair what is the boarding procedure?
Is it going to be rush on free-for-all to get seats, as I don't want to be sat on my own for 4hrs15mins .
Also I have heard ryanir are awful for customer service and restrictions. Ad force many to pay extra charges for obscure things. I mean we are only taking one suitcase between 2 because it was about £75 more for extra baggage. And we have to check in online, it's all rather un airline like to me . My fav part was always checking in at the desk etc.
It's simple and cheap so no need to worry! Enjoy Tenerife.
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Right here
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Fantastic post, Jack1985 
I fail to see why some people find everything so obscure and unfriendly?
I mean... Like you said, all the rules are perfectly described at the Ryanair website, and they're pretty easy to understand. I've flown Ryanair over 30 times in the last couple of years and never had a scum boarding process; Never had a flight delayed for more than 15min; Always took a hand bag which is pretty much the exact size of the sizer at the gate so, no bag charge whatsoever and for what one needs for a week it's perfectly enough (Not counting pax with special needs of course); Young, energetic and friendly crew, always smiling and helping pax. In all honestly much better in general than British Airways in which I did got a free snack and a generous baggage allowance. Yes, it's nice, but is that the only thing that matters to some? Is it really worth the difference in price? Is it worth the average delays of 30min/1h on pretty much all flights I took? For me, above everything: A seat and a safe flight on time. And if the price is right even better!
I know that each one of us have different experiences. No flight is the same as other! But when you take over a certain number of flights with the same carrier you do wonder if you're just lucky or some people just like to be bitchy over little things because they expect great service for a small charge of ticket or because they didn't follow the rules they blame the airline for their own mistake!
I fail to see why some people find everything so obscure and unfriendly?
I mean... Like you said, all the rules are perfectly described at the Ryanair website, and they're pretty easy to understand. I've flown Ryanair over 30 times in the last couple of years and never had a scum boarding process; Never had a flight delayed for more than 15min; Always took a hand bag which is pretty much the exact size of the sizer at the gate so, no bag charge whatsoever and for what one needs for a week it's perfectly enough (Not counting pax with special needs of course); Young, energetic and friendly crew, always smiling and helping pax. In all honestly much better in general than British Airways in which I did got a free snack and a generous baggage allowance. Yes, it's nice, but is that the only thing that matters to some? Is it really worth the difference in price? Is it worth the average delays of 30min/1h on pretty much all flights I took? For me, above everything: A seat and a safe flight on time. And if the price is right even better!
I know that each one of us have different experiences. No flight is the same as other! But when you take over a certain number of flights with the same carrier you do wonder if you're just lucky or some people just like to be bitchy over little things because they expect great service for a small charge of ticket or because they didn't follow the rules they blame the airline for their own mistake!
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Scotlandshire
Age: 55
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Is it going to be rush on free-for-all to get seats, as I don't want to be sat on my own for 4hrs15mins 
which made a mock of the priority boarding. Once at the aircraft a mad rush ensued to get on it 
I did mention this to the Steward on board but he just said sorry nothing he could do (not his fault). I have to say most flights do park at the gates most of the time. Enjoy Tenerife its lovely
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: London
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From personal experience I'd say this is quite common for priority boarding when buses are used. Always strikes me that it's a pointless purchase. Makes more sense to reserve a seat. Not that I do either. Just queue early and head for the back stairs.
