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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 07:42
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Any news on the Hainan Beijing route? All seems to have gone pretty quiet.

I was just about to post same !

Maybe they planning a cataclysmic PR/Marketing launch and delay is about getting everybody over here from China ?

Having fought for this for so long and supposedly had airlines also chomping at the bit from over there it all seems a bit odd, it did appear as though everything was in place other than the regulatory authority.

Having now got that one would think it would be all hands to the pump to get it publicized re pipeline for advance bookings !

Given LAX suggestion that Air China were initially in the frame and at the forefront of fighting thru the red tape, is it possible that there is an internal sqaubble as to who gets access ?

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I mentioned the impressive MAN stand at RoutesUSA last week, interestingly the airport profile does not appear on the airports page anymore ?

It seems odd to have a very glitzy stand but not then appear on the sponsors website !

On AnnaAero they appear to have given up completely as it hasn't been updated seemingly for about 4 years, not sure having "stale" information helps but there again is it of any worth anyway ?

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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 08:22
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Any news on the Hainan Beijing route? All seems to have gone pretty quiet.
Think you're forgetting who started the bragging. George Os.... (It pains me to write his full name).

Anyway, when a politician starts your marketing campaign, I would expect a few u-turns and 'misunderstandings'.
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Old 3rd Oct 2014, 01:16
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Condor 767 just unveiled D-ABUA in new sunny heart livery at MAN. Do we know when TCX are planning to repaint their fleet?

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/photos/DABUA.jpg
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Old 3rd Oct 2014, 09:17
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Good to see MAN accepting 3 x B747s diversions this morning due fog / holding delays at LHR. VS46, VS10 and BA172 all arrived.
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Old 3rd Oct 2014, 11:18
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Saudia have extended their 4th weekly flight offering.


Originally, just December and March were loaded, however nearly the full winter has a 4th weekly loaded and bookable on their website.


Flights will be Tue/Thu/Sat/Sun 15/1/15-22/3/15
Flights will be Mon/Tue/Thu/Sat 27/11/14-14/1/15
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Old 3rd Oct 2014, 11:34
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That's good news LAX. With flynas gone, it will be easier to establish average pax loads from the CAA stats each month for SV. I wonder what freight carryings are like.

Incidentally, MAN's web site timetable also shows a Monday flight over the full winter as well as a Sunday flight I think, making it 5 x weekly for a period, but then that has proved a very unreliable source for some time in terms of periods of operation for several airlines schedules.
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Old 3rd Oct 2014, 12:20
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September Pax up 4.8%

http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/m...ember+2014.pdf
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Up 5.15% for terminal pax. Considering flynas had already left and Rouge and US to CLT finished their short seasonal services in the first half of the month, I think that's a pretty good result. Also, I suspect there were some cancellations by LH & AF due to strikes.

What's also interesting is that in the current financial year (from April), Domestic traffic is performing strongly.

Even freight showed a small increase.
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Interesting comment from Mr Kehoe.

Birmingham Airport chief calls for new approach to air travel - Birmingham Post

I have some sympathy with his viewpoint, its certainly the type of thing that Manchester and its airport (which have already attained this status in many areas) should actually be saying themselves !
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Old 3rd Oct 2014, 13:29
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I know it helped Kehoe emphasise his point, but nevertheless I respect him for mentioning MAN & NCL. It's a rather different tack than BHX becoming an overflow airport for London but good on him for speaking up.

Strange in a way because BHX doesn't feed LHR with domestic flights like MAN and NCL.
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Thomas Cook are currently running a media campaign on local radio in Manchester, Cheshire and Merseyside.

'flights to Los Angeles, Boston, Miami, New York, Las Vegas and Orlando from Manchester'

Surely Boston and Los Angeles are going to be launched if they are being advertised.
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Old 3rd Oct 2014, 19:37
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Interesting comment from Mr Kehoe.

Birmingham Airport chief calls for new approach to air travel - Birmingham Post

I have some sympathy with his viewpoint, its certainly the type of thing that Manchester and its airport (which have already attained this status in many areas) should actually be saying themselves !
Both are needed: national airports and a world-class hub, it's not "either/or". Not all countries can support routes to all the UK national airports, so the world-class hub is needed.

Where routes to multiple UK destinations are possible, obviously, the national airports should do all they can to facilitate this, and the government should do all it can to help.

Arguably, MAN is something in between, and that role is also needed.


I know it helped Kehoe emphasise his point, but nevertheless I respect him for mentioning MAN & NCL. It's a rather different tack than BHX becoming an overflow airport for London but good on him for speaking up.
BTW, isn't GLA as much a national airport as NCL.

Strange in a way because BHX doesn't feed LHR with domestic flights like MAN and NCL.
Indeed, it used to, maybe it should again, who can say.....?

However, it is likely that pigs will be flying before that ever happens again.
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Old 3rd Oct 2014, 21:13
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Westjet have announced Halifax-Glasgow for 2015 on 737-700.

Lets hope for MAN too as was rumoured that may start MAN if Dublin proved successful.

WestJet announces service to Glasgow, United Kingdom
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Old 3rd Oct 2014, 21:25
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Westjet

Hmm....I remember the outcry when zflyGlobespan deployed 738s on LPL - NY.
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Old 3rd Oct 2014, 21:31
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I seem to remember Globespan lpl/ny being 757?
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Old 3rd Oct 2014, 22:38
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The flight is to Halifax just over 5 hours rather than 7 on a charter config Globespan. The LPL flights were usually a 757. NOC GLA BOS was a 737.
The summer deployment of the new WestJet 767s have yet to be announced (they are flying Winter to Hawaii), so unless the GLA route is a test this year maybe there is a UK 767 route still to come ?
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 10:57
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We are talking about Halifax, Nova Scotia ie New Scotland - there are cultural, historical links that might justify a route to Scotland.
A route to London so that Halifaxers can go and point at Big Ben.
Other than that MAN to Halifax??? I'd be highly skeptical about the viability of that. Not a place I would ever consider visiting
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 11:05
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Westjet have talked about opening MAN too. However they also talked about EDI, so, who knows.


People seem to be focusing on Halifax. Lets not forget, they are using Halifax as a hub/transit point and onwards to Toronto.


While some could argue that MAN-YYZ is now quite busy, with daily Air Transat and an extended season on Air Canada, It all depends on whether Westjet want to compete for onward connections.
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 15:31
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I seem to remember Globespan lpl/ny being 757?
When it was launched as a service, it was advertised as a B757.

The reality was that the knackered old B757 that Globespan had leased from Icelandair (I believe though happy to be corrected) was clearly at the end of its lifespan as it spent more time broke than in the air.

I was an ATCO at Liverpool during the Globespan years and the usual delay for the flight was around 6hours.

The beginning of the end for Globespan at Liverpool came when they started using a B738 on the service. Which would have been fine if they had bothered to tell passengers in advance, which they didn't.

It meant that if a passenger paid for a 'Business Class' seat or extra for an emergency exit seat on the B757, they would then rock up at the airport to find a single class B738, having to do at least one fuel stop and no way of getting their money back because Globespan customer service was even less reliable than their B757s.
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Two of the three B752 flyglobespan (sub-)leased from Icelandair in the summer of 2007 still fly for Icelandair. The third didn't return to Icelandair after flyglobespan, but went to Mint Airways (did a number of flights for TCX in the summer of 2011). After Mint went bust this aircraft was converted to a freighter and is now one of five B752F in the Blue Dart Aviation (India) fleet.

To me it seems more like the flyglobespan operation was knackered. Three of their aircraft I know more about - the two B736 that went back to SAS and B738 G-CDEG that made a short stint at Norwegian. Norwegian could not get rid of LN-KHD fast enough as she was a hangar queen and the two B736 were not pretty after flyglobespan had used them and a lot of work had to be done to get them up to scratch again.
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