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An interesting last 48 hours !
If there is a weekly review of operations I do hope the CEO at Manchester having just returned from @metropolis is asking a few highly pertinent questions of his management team with reference to strategy and the business model .....or lack of it !
Especially after such a bullish presentation that Manchester and Airport City is the place to be.
I'll leave it to the house to decide what might be on the agenda but Bucharest , Cairo, and low cost connections to the Middle East might just be worth exploring !
Personally I would be apoplectic !
If there is a weekly review of operations I do hope the CEO at Manchester having just returned from @metropolis is asking a few highly pertinent questions of his management team with reference to strategy and the business model .....or lack of it !
Especially after such a bullish presentation that Manchester and Airport City is the place to be.
I'll leave it to the house to decide what might be on the agenda but Bucharest , Cairo, and low cost connections to the Middle East might just be worth exploring !
Personally I would be apoplectic !
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Romania is a very weak market and not much money to be made
we have this problem every year with MS because of licence and we have know from the outset that FlyNas has been weak yet Saudi are doing very well
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we have this problem every year with MS because of licence and we have know from the outset that FlyNas has been weak yet Saudi are doing very well
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Bagso, "Especially after such a bullish presentation that Manchester and Airport City is the place to be"
Can you elaborate please? This passed me by.
As regards the bad news, I suspect he won't be too surprised about flynas, annoyed about Egyptair if they are definitely pulling out, but possibly more agitated about not getting Bucharest, assuming of course it was an airline and route they wanted. While a new destination from the North West is welcome, airports are highly competitive and MAN will not be happy if it loses out to a competitor up the road.
For MAN to continue to grow, it seems to me we need to increase the average pax per movement with larger a/c or increased LFs, and to win more flights at the times of day when runway, apron and terminal capacity permits. Foreign carriers such as Wizz, Norwegian , Vueling and Air Blue etc. could provide such opportunities by using non-based a/c. Likewise, at present I'm not sure we could handle more EZY and RYR based a/c, but more services with non-based a/c during the day would always be welcome, assuming of course sufficient demand and potential exists and routes are viable.
Expectations for S2015 have been high with the prospect of new long haul routes. But it will also be interesting to see whether or not Rouge and AA/US to Charlotte return after their short seasonal offerings this year.
Can you elaborate please? This passed me by.
As regards the bad news, I suspect he won't be too surprised about flynas, annoyed about Egyptair if they are definitely pulling out, but possibly more agitated about not getting Bucharest, assuming of course it was an airline and route they wanted. While a new destination from the North West is welcome, airports are highly competitive and MAN will not be happy if it loses out to a competitor up the road.
For MAN to continue to grow, it seems to me we need to increase the average pax per movement with larger a/c or increased LFs, and to win more flights at the times of day when runway, apron and terminal capacity permits. Foreign carriers such as Wizz, Norwegian , Vueling and Air Blue etc. could provide such opportunities by using non-based a/c. Likewise, at present I'm not sure we could handle more EZY and RYR based a/c, but more services with non-based a/c during the day would always be welcome, assuming of course sufficient demand and potential exists and routes are viable.
Expectations for S2015 have been high with the prospect of new long haul routes. But it will also be interesting to see whether or not Rouge and AA/US to Charlotte return after their short seasonal offerings this year.
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I'll try and get you the link ......lots of presentations about Airport Cities, not just here but around the World, was held in Manchester yesterday.
CEO is saying one thing whilst opportunities are missed elsewhere !
I appreciate these routes are not high yield money spinners BUT hang on.....as was said by Domy Don on another forum, Bucharest should surely have been a shoe in.
The market for FlyNas should easily be there given the traget audience AND our catchment but I doubt anybody knows the service even exists, yes the airline may be culpable but my goodness so are Manchester.
Egyptair ."having to renegotiate a bilateral every 6 months what the hell that all about ?"
It's Utter and total complacency to say we can cherry pick , choose or dismiss routes as we see fit !
Every single opportunity needs fully exploiting, AND what do these messages send out it to other potential customers ?
Once gone they are gone for good !
Is anybody made accountable for this because to me it looks a mess !
CEO is saying one thing whilst opportunities are missed elsewhere !
I appreciate these routes are not high yield money spinners BUT hang on.....as was said by Domy Don on another forum, Bucharest should surely have been a shoe in.
The market for FlyNas should easily be there given the traget audience AND our catchment but I doubt anybody knows the service even exists, yes the airline may be culpable but my goodness so are Manchester.
Egyptair ."having to renegotiate a bilateral every 6 months what the hell that all about ?"
It's Utter and total complacency to say we can cherry pick , choose or dismiss routes as we see fit !
Every single opportunity needs fully exploiting, AND what do these messages send out it to other potential customers ?
Once gone they are gone for good !
Is anybody made accountable for this because to me it looks a mess !
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Romania is a very difficult market and the mass arrivals of people from that country did not really happen and the ones over here in general don`t have a lot of money to spend.
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Turkish Airlines are using the A330-200 and A340-300 on selected flights in August and September due to 'increased demand'.
Nice to see a TK widebody back at MAN.
Nice to see a TK widebody back at MAN.
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In terms of Etihad, there may well be a decrease on passengers using the flybe codeshare from EDI, and possibly other Scottish airports, but ultimately, it will only work to free up needed capacity on our flights for North West and surrounding area passengers.
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Condor based B757-300 goes back to Germany on 30th October.
Next summer however, there will be 2xB757-300 and the 3 TCX B767-300's going to Condor for the winter will be operated as Condor flights from Manchester next summer (Condor still on the side of the plane and DE flight codes).
Crews for the 2xB757-300 will still be fully German based using the W patterns that they currently do, and the B767's will be TCX crewed.
Next summer however, there will be 2xB757-300 and the 3 TCX B767-300's going to Condor for the winter will be operated as Condor flights from Manchester next summer (Condor still on the side of the plane and DE flight codes).
Crews for the 2xB757-300 will still be fully German based using the W patterns that they currently do, and the B767's will be TCX crewed.
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Turkish Airlines are using the A330-200 on selected flights in August and September due to 'increased demand'.
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I thought he said August so stop trying to be wind up
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eggc- Anything from Norwegian will be interesting seeing as they have started their long haul operation at Gatwick this week. I don't think an LAX route will be viable nor anything really apart from something aimed at the leisure market but obviously Florida could be an option.
I would of thought there would be plenty of room for flight-only competition in that sector where Virgin and the package outfits are dominant. To me the offerings from Monarch/TCX could be blown apart by a superior Norwegian 788 straight into MCO.
I would of thought there would be plenty of room for flight-only competition in that sector where Virgin and the package outfits are dominant. To me the offerings from Monarch/TCX could be blown apart by a superior Norwegian 788 straight into MCO.
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Not trying to be awkward or whatever, but how is it not a subject if a new route my take passengers from a route that is operated from Manchester ?
Plus it does say in the section this forum is in " Airlines,Airports and Routes " so would you not say it comes under this category ?
Plus it does say in the section this forum is in " Airlines,Airports and Routes " so would you not say it comes under this category ?
We aren't allowed speak of a certain airline as a while back members of staff were posting things on the site which said particular airline did not want in the public eye, and legal action was threatened. Simply refer to said airline as the "unmentionable" airline or something similar. We'll all know what is meant and the mods will be saved some difficulty.
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Don't understand why, but if that's what happened then fair enough
So no mention of 'said airline' is not allowed or just negative remarks ?
So no mention of 'said airline' is not allowed or just negative remarks ?
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I've been coming on here for years and I didn't know that we couldn't mention Etihad.
Didn't want to be in the public eye? A patch of grass 6 miles from me is named after etihad and lots of people every other week stands round that patch of grass with shirts showing that name.
Didn't want to be in the public eye? A patch of grass 6 miles from me is named after etihad and lots of people every other week stands round that patch of grass with shirts showing that name.