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Old 10th May 2012, 20:38
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"I think the current BD Regional routes from Aberdeen to Groningen, Manchester and Norwich as well as the routes from Manchester to Edinburgh and Lyon will be closed. The future of there other routes will depend on a number of factorrs. The remaining routes and factors are:

ABZ to EBJ & NWI - The future of these routes will depend upon securing a contract with a major oil company to transport employees from ESJ to ABZ"

Really? Esbjerg has been a route from ABZ since 1988 - the Business Air days.
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Old 10th May 2012, 20:45
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1. Expand the current BD Regional partnership with SN. They could paint a handful of there ER4's into SN livery, have there crew wear SN uniform and onboard offer a SN product. With the aircraft being used to operate on the current routes that BD op independently from EDI, EMA, LBA to BRU as well as the routes to BRU from BRS and NCL that BD currently op on behalf of SN
Aren't NCL and BRS going back to SN metal from the winter?
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Old 10th May 2012, 21:36
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how is LBA a base with them operating 1 route? surely expansion?
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Old 10th May 2012, 22:54
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BAladdy, you just make yourself look daft writing tosh like that. You clearly don't know much about bmi Regional or its routes and bases so you aren't very well placed to speculate on how to improve it. You missed 3 bases out for a start...
What are the other three bases?
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Old 10th May 2012, 22:56
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Old 10th May 2012, 23:11
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Quick reply, thanks.
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Old 11th May 2012, 01:40
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The Groningen route is subsidised by Shell.

By the way I learnt something....sciolist....impressed TDK, are you a pilot?
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Old 11th May 2012, 05:14
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enecosse, oh the irony, just look to the very bottom of this page...
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Old 11th May 2012, 06:23
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The bmi name in the public mind is toast so they will be going to market with a brand the market thinks is history. The non LHR routes are all over the place with no focus or hub, adhoc here, crew base there. On the current operation on that scale without LHR I cannot see a future. They operate an aircraft type that is no longer competitive on a sporadic route network on behalf of BMI which is disappearing and STAR of which they are not a member. This takeover is classic heart over ruling head. They will most likely be the next Duo as was said above, and I cannot see how the new owners can re-fleet, consolidate a disparate network, downsize, refocus AND absorb losses to survive. Indeed GLA-LBA has already been gifted to Loganair.
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Old 11th May 2012, 08:06
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I disagree about the BMI name being toast, certainly it holds a good deal of value, there are a great deal of people outside the industry who are probably unaware of what is going on, and will know the brand, and certainly more than any 'new name' that may come out.
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Old 11th May 2012, 08:26
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Smile

Artie I am impressed again. Someone actually scrolled to the bottom of the page, now there are two of us. Do you think thats where TDK got it from, that would make 3.
Regardless its a great word. Now I just have to get it into a conversation, but wait I work with pilots should be a easy.
Now I better use an emoticon just so you know I am not serious...
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Old 11th May 2012, 14:59
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Good to see that the people at BMI Regional have an answer at last. How long has it dragged on? Good that they have now been broken free from 'dinosaur' airlines. It also seems totally fair that the only part of the BMI 'empire' that was able to hold its head above the water still keeps the 'brand' going.

(And people like BALaddy, who seem to understand very little outside LHR, should keep quiet with their uninformed tosh, stay put in their 'Heathrow village' and leave the BMIR staff to enjoy their news!)

Good Luck!!
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Old 11th May 2012, 15:39
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There's two parts here, flying for BMI and flying for STAR partners. BMI flying is ending soon, regional flying to CPH, ZRH and BRU is not. If they are to continue serving these destinations, they cannot afford to have SAS, Swiss and Brussels Airlines come in on their own metal. If they get into a flybe franchise, their former partners in STAR become the enemy surely?

Nor can they keep one aircraft at GLA alone to fly GLA-CPH, now that GLA-LBA has gone, there's only one rotation per day for the aircraft.
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Old 11th May 2012, 16:46
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Can I ask a daft question? Alright, two then.

I know nothing about the Star Alliance set up but it seems everyone has taken it for granted that BMIRs participation within it is is coming to an end. Why exactly is this, can they not just apply to stay on?

Okay, so its three.
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Old 11th May 2012, 16:55
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everyone has taken it for granted that BMIRs participation within it is is
coming to an end. Why exactly is this, can they not just apply to stay
on?

JimNich,

Good question, if bmir is going to be run and owned by 2 of Loganair management, and by accounts on here one would sense they are inextricably linked, though I am sure I will promptly be corrected!

Leading from that I would suggest that since bmi name will disappear the major challenge is identity so I would say if they want a future and a marketing or cost effective advertising platform they should follow Loganair into Flybe franchise that is of course they have a new business strategy e.g. going into say charters, wet leases etc. We are all assuming that the airline network will remain as it currently is, maybe it will, but maybe when the new owners get to look at the all the route stats changes may occur.

Sorry I was off point, so if one progresses the ideas from above, one would ask why doesnt flybe join Star or OneWorld? I would suggest mainly because of cost, secondly BE do have interlining deals with airlines at different airports and therefore can largely bypass the 'benefits' of joining an alliance.

I would also guess that most of Bmir's ops are point to point in the main (excluding services previously operated to LHR) therefore not sure they would see a value in the interlining benefits and the other airlines may see little added value from having this new small airline in the alliance.

Just my views of course.

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Old 11th May 2012, 17:26
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If they get into a flybe franchise, their former partners in STAR become the enemy surely?
Flybe - part owned by Oneworld BA, are already flying wet leases for Star Alliance- Brussels Airlines. In SN livery - BHX for example.

No issue with that. Business is business...

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Old 11th May 2012, 19:13
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Forgive me if I've missed something, but I thought that bmi as a group ended its Star Alliance membership just before it was sold by Lufthansa to IAG last month. Thus regional's relationship with Brussels, SAS and Swiss is that of codesharing rather than full airline alliance membership.

As such, Brussels, SAS and Swiss will feel rather less obligation in the future to continue being buddies with regional if they don't think it's in their interest, particularly as Brussels+Swiss's parent in the form of Lufthansa group no longer has an equity stake in regional.
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Old 11th May 2012, 20:06
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Whilst being in any alliance would be good for Bmir, it is not always as good as it is made out to be. The larger carriers may well codeshare but it also means any tickets (assuming Bmir keep the current bmi interline agreements) will be on the issuing carrier's tickets, therefore Bmir would not get any revenue for seats sold until after the passenger has travelled. So , yes, they would get a good number of seats sold by the other alliance carriers but would not have immediate access to the revenue....something which I think they will need
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Old 11th May 2012, 21:19
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I have just come across an article that is in Danish (I read it under google translate) stating that BMI and BMI Regional are no longer working with SAS. I am adding this contribution purely because I thought it was relevant to the current debate.


SAS cuts ties with bmi
11-05-2012
SAS recently chose to terminate the commercial agreement with British Airways. Now is the turn of British Midland (bmi), where they åregamle codeshare agreements will be executed as a result of Lufthansa's sales of the company..... From Denmark, this means that no longer can be booked tickets on SK-route number on bmi Regionals routes from Copenhagen to Edinburgh and Glasgow

SOURCE Nyt om rejser og luftfart

The story is located under the photo of the BMI A330.

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Old 11th May 2012, 21:52
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Just searched for flights on the SAS website and it is still coming up with BD Reg GLA-CPH with an SK code. This seemed to be available on dates throughout the summer. Who knows what the story is?!

EDIT: It would appear that this does not come into effect until the end of the summer timetable.

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