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MAN routes for new BMI Regional
I must say that in my view dumping Manchester as a regional base because its not Aberdeen or in Scotland would be very short sighted. I would say that keeping MAN as a BMI Regional base would be extremely valuable. Regardless of existing routes by keeping MAN BMI regional would have direct access as connections to Virgin Atlantic, Middle Eastern, Flybe's continental routes, as well as Easyjet, Ryanair, Jet2, Thomsonfly and Thomas Cook Airlines extensive route network, as well as 10 and 4 flights a day to LHR and LGW respectively. Also by expanding at MAN BMI regional woudl have the potentila to be a major player in Europe.
Scotland and the new owners will want to engage with Europe and the rest of the world not retract 'BMIbaby' style. Although Aberdeen may have direct connections with London, given the relative strength of the economy in Manchester and its' highly developed engineering/ technology base in energy/pharma/ chemicals etc, I would would advise cuation before putting all eggs in the ABZ-LHR market. Keep the MAN base and routes is my advice.
Scotland and the new owners will want to engage with Europe and the rest of the world not retract 'BMIbaby' style. Although Aberdeen may have direct connections with London, given the relative strength of the economy in Manchester and its' highly developed engineering/ technology base in energy/pharma/ chemicals etc, I would would advise cuation before putting all eggs in the ABZ-LHR market. Keep the MAN base and routes is my advice.
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Well I'm glad we have some news. Though I think the real news will come in the next few weeks (I hope) with the union consultations. I'm very intrigued as to what they will do with the 5 aircraft to come out of LHR. The 2 not doing brussels work anymore. The routes we will cover once LHR slots are taken away by IAG...
And how on earth did they get the airline for £8 million. Call me a sceptic, but something doesn't add up.
BA now look like heros 'saving our jobs'. But the truth is we know nothing of our futures still. Let's hope this business plan really is all its cracked up to be and IAG haven't just let someone else do their dirty work.
Hate to be so down but I dont think we're fully out the woods just yet.
And how on earth did they get the airline for £8 million. Call me a sceptic, but something doesn't add up.
BA now look like heros 'saving our jobs'. But the truth is we know nothing of our futures still. Let's hope this business plan really is all its cracked up to be and IAG haven't just let someone else do their dirty work.
Hate to be so down but I dont think we're fully out the woods just yet.
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Van G,
I'm sure there are concerns amongst some of the staff. But I have not seen such a positive vibe in ABZ HQ in a long time!
You're right, we don't know the full extent of the plans the new owners have. But given the years of experience and expertise they have in running airlines, surely people are feeling better about the whole situation?
I am very much looking forward to what will happen over the next few weeks, months, years!!
I'm sure there are concerns amongst some of the staff. But I have not seen such a positive vibe in ABZ HQ in a long time!
You're right, we don't know the full extent of the plans the new owners have. But given the years of experience and expertise they have in running airlines, surely people are feeling better about the whole situation?
I am very much looking forward to what will happen over the next few weeks, months, years!!
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DD,
Unfortunately, your advice ends up being self-contradicting, even if that was not your intention.
For Regional to have a place in the market, it needs to operate routes where there is (a) enough demand to put bums on seats and generate good yields, and (b) not so much demand that another operator can come onto the route and sell said seats at a lower cost, as they have larger aircraft.
Now I don't doubt for one minute that MAN has the advantages you mention, but I think that comes under satisfying (a) more than it does (b). ABZ on the other hand is a much smaller market in terms of population, but it can generate good yields to the right destinations.
Thought regional was the more profitable side of the group? surely these jets are worth a few million squids each - suggests regional were liability like baby?
Keep the MAN base and routes is my advice.
For Regional to have a place in the market, it needs to operate routes where there is (a) enough demand to put bums on seats and generate good yields, and (b) not so much demand that another operator can come onto the route and sell said seats at a lower cost, as they have larger aircraft.
Now I don't doubt for one minute that MAN has the advantages you mention, but I think that comes under satisfying (a) more than it does (b). ABZ on the other hand is a much smaller market in terms of population, but it can generate good yields to the right destinations.
The sale, which was reportedly worth £8 million, is said to have included the regional carrier’s fleet of 18 Embraer jets.
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The guys involved in the purchase obviously know what they are doing and the important thing is that 300 or so people are kept in work.
However, the question remains on how the hell they expect to have such an operation with such equipment (50 seater RJ's) and turn a profit. There is no big parent company to pick up the cheque any more. Surely they need to get new metal A.S.A.P?
However, the question remains on how the hell they expect to have such an operation with such equipment (50 seater RJ's) and turn a profit. There is no big parent company to pick up the cheque any more. Surely they need to get new metal A.S.A.P?
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Change the record. You armchair industrialists/ doom and gloom merchants keep on speculating, why not phone the new owners and let them in on what you know? I'm sure they need the help. Fact of the matter is that regional has avoided being flushed down the pan by the slot grabbing IAG, unlike the despicably dealt with Bmi baby.
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I don't see why Regional shouldn't do well. Not sure Embraer jets are ideal, although I don't have all of the facts or intentions. It'll come out in the wash if the 'new' management are even slightly competent.
Sadly, bmibaby is and always was a totally different story. Tiny minnow amongst big sharks in a small pond. What did bmi so-called 'management', not to mention anyone who joined, or were scandalously press-ganged on threat of redundancy or rebasing, ever expect?
Good luck to all you Regional guys and gals.
Sadly, bmibaby is and always was a totally different story. Tiny minnow amongst big sharks in a small pond. What did bmi so-called 'management', not to mention anyone who joined, or were scandalously press-ganged on threat of redundancy or rebasing, ever expect?
Good luck to all you Regional guys and gals.
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Because of the flooding of the market with American Eagle ditching it's 135/140/145s the value of them has plummeted. You'd be lucky to get £1million per aircraft. Especially with BMR's high hour/high cycle aircraft.
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If you're tired of speculation may I suggest you don't visit a rumour network.
I'm not a doom and gloom merchant I'm someone with genuine and justifiable concerns for my job.
I'd love to talk to the new owners, please do inbox me their details because we have been told the square root of
all which is of course why people speculate. Why have a go at people worried about their jobs.
Living up to your name.
P.s. If the embraers were sold for £1 million each (think you'd get more like £5 million) they would still double their money.
If you're tired of speculation may I suggest you don't visit a rumour network.
I'm not a doom and gloom merchant I'm someone with genuine and justifiable concerns for my job.
I'd love to talk to the new owners, please do inbox me their details because we have been told the square root of
all which is of course why people speculate. Why have a go at people worried about their jobs. Living up to your name.
P.s. If the embraers were sold for £1 million each (think you'd get more like £5 million) they would still double their money.
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I juat had a thought.
The sale of BMIR was announced shortly before the announcement that BA would start services to RTM ,LBA and ZAG.
Would RTM and LBA not be good routes for the EMBs ?
Maybe as part of sale deal , BA will guarantee flying for 3-4 EMBs on these new routes .Anyone else thought of that ?
The sale of BMIR was announced shortly before the announcement that BA would start services to RTM ,LBA and ZAG.
Would RTM and LBA not be good routes for the EMBs ?
Maybe as part of sale deal , BA will guarantee flying for 3-4 EMBs on these new routes .Anyone else thought of that ?
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Personally, i think that they should create new routes to CWL, as it has a clearly proven regional market, that has been highlighted with the KLM, Aer Lingus Regional, and the past BMIBaby regional routes. Not forgetting Flybe ! So, yes BMIr need to get down to Cardiff !
as it has a clearly proven regional market, that has been highlighted with the KLM, Aer Lingus Regional, and the past BMIBaby regional routes
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I keep saying this - and I speak from experience as someone who does this sort of research and commissions it - if Cardiff had such a clearly proven market, it would have more operators exploiting them. Airlines are there to make money. They will exploit opportunities to make money. They won't just connect places for fun - they need proof that a commercial opportunity exists. If they can't see that market, and can't prove it's there - they won't go there.
The fact that Cardiff is NOT getting loads of new routes says one thing loudly and clearly - A SUFFICIENT MARKET IS NOT THERE.
I am quite sure the new owners of Regional know this, and will be focusing their efforts on routes that give them more chances of success.
TA
The fact that Cardiff is NOT getting loads of new routes says one thing loudly and clearly - A SUFFICIENT MARKET IS NOT THERE.
I am quite sure the new owners of Regional know this, and will be focusing their efforts on routes that give them more chances of success.
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Bruce Dickinson is taking over St. Athan with the new MRO facility, which is to provide upto 1300 jobs for South Wales. CWL is a good place to operate from, i do not understand why others always put CWL to bed !
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Completion within 2 weeks
All,
Any information to confirm that the sale will be completed within 2 weeks?
Without starting 500 posts of speculation it would be great to know the immediate plans of SAH. Even if it were merely expand, contract or consolidate.
Back into the information vacuum!
Any information to confirm that the sale will be completed within 2 weeks?
Without starting 500 posts of speculation it would be great to know the immediate plans of SAH. Even if it were merely expand, contract or consolidate.
Back into the information vacuum!