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Old 24th Aug 2012, 18:16
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This is a fun summary of the last couple of years work at SEN:
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Old 28th Aug 2012, 10:00
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copied from sen website today!



You are here London Southend Airport LSA - Community Relations & News Latest News London Southend Airport applies for Controlled Airspace
London Southend Airport applies for Controlled Airspace

London Southend Airport has started the process to apply for ‘controlled airspace’ in order to safeguard aircraft approaching and departing from the airport and minimise distance flown to improve environmental performance.

*The Airport had Controlled Airspace until 1992, when it was removed following a reduction in scheduled services using the airport. Temporary Controlled Airspace was also in operation at the airport during the London Olympic Games.

Controlled Airspace is a defined area of the air space around an airport where any aircraft must communicate with Air Traffic Control.* The application to introduce controlled airspace was one of the commitments the airport made to local councils and community groups as part of the airport’s redevelopment.*

Currently aircraft are permitted to come within 2.5 miles and 2000 feet in height of London Southend Airport without having to talk to air traffic controllers, which can lead to unplanned alterations to an aircraft’s track and possible delays in the arrival and departure of scheduled flights.

The application process - which is envisaged to take around two years to complete - will include an extensive public consultation process during late 2013.

The final decision over whether to reinstate the Controlled Airspace over London Southend Airport will be taken by the Directorate of Airspace Policy (DAP) within the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA).

London Southend Airport Managing Director Alastair Welch explained “Safety and security are our number one priority. *Controlled Airspace safeguards aircraft when they are approaching and departing the airport. Improving our efficiency by getting aircraft in and out of the airport without last minute alterations and delays will also minimise the impact of the airport’s operations on the local community and is much better for the environment. Temporary Controlled Airspace around London Southend Airport was operated very successfully during the London 2012 Games, and we are now seeking to have this reinstated as a permanent feature.”
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Old 28th Aug 2012, 18:35
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OLT Express Germany

Looks like OLT Express Germany plan to start flights from Southend to Dresden and Saarbrücken this October. Have a look at the link. OLT Express GMBH - Flugplan - London - Southend (SEN)
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Old 28th Aug 2012, 19:00
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When its in German it shows SEN but when Google Translates its showing LTN.
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Old 28th Aug 2012, 19:07
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OLT Express Germany

On the link it quite clearly says Southend and i've heard nowhere about Luton, only Southend. These are purely plans and not officially announced yet
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Old 28th Aug 2012, 20:29
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Have been wondering for a while when Dresden would get a link to London. Well served by leisure airlines taking locals to beaches in the Med, but virtually nothing to major cities outside Germany. Train line from Berlin is slow (minimum 2h30 from Tegel / Schonefeld), the train line to Leipzig isn't great either, and the line to Wroclaw is hopeless.
Oh yeah - and now that the locals have fixed up the mess we made in 1945, the city looks quite good as well. Bit of a shame that the route is being launched just before the winter season starts though.

Slightly off topic, but do OLT Express Germany intend to rebrand ? The bankruptcy of OLT Express Poland earlier in the summer gives me cause for concern before booking a ticket.
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Old 29th Aug 2012, 07:38
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Panta Holdings have bought OLT Express Germany (who are still flying successfully). OLT Express recently bought Contact Air and so their fleet is be integrated into OLTs and hence with the inherited fleet they want to expand their route network. Interestingly Panta Holdings also own Denim Air.
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Old 29th Aug 2012, 08:14
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For the people of Saarbrucken and other large cities nearby, it would save them driving one hour to Luxembourg in order to fly to London. For English tourists, there is nothing special to see in Saarbrucken, but Dresden is a beautiful city and well worth a short-break there. I cannot open the link to OLT-Germany which mentions any plans to SEN, but if they want to start in the autumn, they should start advertising now, I would have thought. Fokker 100s?
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Old 29th Aug 2012, 08:50
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They've now password locked the webpage so don't bother trying to access it now It mentions F100s to be used. OLT will inherit 7 x F100s from Contact Air.

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Old 29th Aug 2012, 09:35
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tophat - apologies for going off topic, but while I agree that Saarbrucken city isn't much to see in its own right, only a few miles away, there is a UNESCO World Heritage site, in Volklinger Hutte. Perverse though it may be, last time I was there at the weekend it was crawling with visitors. As to how many people will want to fly from Southend just to see Volklingen is an entirely different story...

tws123 - could I suggest an alternate website for OLT Express (admittedly it doesn't show the Southend routes, but then again I was under the understanding that they hadn't gone on sale quite yet)
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It looks as though that webpage escaped prematurely into the public domain. Certainly it gave the impression of not being joined up with the existing OLT Express website. I would imagine that finding work for all those F100s and undergoing a change of company ownership only three weeks ago is causing some intensive planning activity. Something more definitive will presumably emerge very soon especially if those October start dates are to be adhered to.

For what I recall of that now vanished webpage, SEN-Dresden was to be daily, and
Saarbrucken three times a week. It also included several other new routes mainly centred on Munster, which have already been announced.

OLT has a long history in Germany so perhaps the new owners will rely on that and their own track record to reassure potential passengers. As for the UK I would guess most potential customers other than those in the industry have never heard of OLT and the Polish debacle so that problem will not arise, but the lack or brand awareness may be one they have to contend with.

On the face of it OLT’s type of operation, perhaps offering the potential for further expansion in future, looks a good fit for SEN. One hopes the F100 does not prove too big. At least it is a real airline with real aircraft.
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Old 29th Aug 2012, 10:17
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Direct Belin Linien Bus takes only 1:50 from Dresden city center to Berlin Schoenefield airport. That is roughly comparable to Frankfurt to Hahn (which is only 5 min shorter). So I do not see too much untapped potential from Dresden.
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Old 29th Aug 2012, 10:25
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I doubt if the aim of a SEN-Saarbrucken route would be to attract tourists to Volkingen, as interesting and unique as it it. The city is nice for shops and restaurants, but is not in the same league as Berlin or Munich.
I was hoping the Saarbrucken route would be twice daily to London, so it would be in a healthy competition with the three airlines operating from LUX to London daily. Does anybody know the runway length requirements for a fully laiden FK100?
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Old 29th Aug 2012, 10:43
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It is impossible to be too prescriptive about maximum takeoff weights without access to data specific to the aircraft version and the runway in use. However the Contact Air website gives some guidance. It quotes a take off distance of 1855m and a landing distance of 1320m. I am assuming it means at maximum weight though it doesn't specify. So, most likely entirely viable from SEN given that the proposed sector lengths would not require heavy fuel loads.

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Old 29th Aug 2012, 10:48
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SEN should present no problems performancewise for the F100 on the 500nm SEN-DRS sector length. Both DRS and SCN were shown on the website as being operated by F100 equipment.

The DRS plan seems to be a daily rotation arriving SEN 1045 M-F, 0720 Sa and 1420 Su, but that's a lot of capacity for a route which when operated from LHR carried 41,000 pax in 2011. bmi operated it for LH from April 2010 with A319s but it was transferred to LH City Line after about a year I believe. The route was pulled at the end of March 2012.

It may well be that OLT Express fares will be somewhat lower than were those of LH so they may attract a wider market. The new owners are very experienced so one would assume the economics have been carefully considered.

On the website, before access was locked, SCN-SEN was shown as 3 x weekly arriving SEN 1345 Tu & Th and 0645 Sa.
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Old 29th Aug 2012, 11:16
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Wonder what will fail first, the route or the airline?
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Old 29th Aug 2012, 11:32
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Wonder what will fail first, the route or the airline?

Or, hopefully, your keyboard.
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Old 29th Aug 2012, 11:46
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Or, hopefully, your keyboard.
That was a really funny comment which has put a big smile on my face
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Old 29th Aug 2012, 12:27
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.... and you're normally so grumpy, LTNMan.
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My parents told me some time ago that the Dresden run was very popular about 70 years ago, apparently started by some chap called Harris!
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