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Old 17th Jan 2017, 17:35
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Fair points however where the hell are they going to get the cash to obtain several 330,s or even 767,s ? Doubtless monarch engineering are well capable of maintaining those types but thats not the problem they have
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 18:03
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My word. MAXs and long haul. A new short haul fleet and going back to long haul, with a new type.

What could go wrong?
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 18:28
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But still no link or source from RATCHETRING?
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 18:57
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An internal comm was sent out from the CEO the other day, in which he stated that long-haul plans were "at the discussion stage" with no firm decision made yet. It's a market they would like to return to.

The long-haul chat aside, we have a better plan of action than many realise.
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 19:50
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Is it not possible that the two are linked, i.e. the 737MAX aircraft would allow a return to long-haul (of sorts) and seven or eight of them are to be used as such? Difficult to tell in the absence of any more to add to the speculation, but I guess it has to be possible. Who knows, this could have been the plan (hence the order for 737MAXs rather than end-of-line 737-800s on which they would have got a far better deal?) all along, and only Norwegian's growth has now prompted them to say something publicly? I've no evidence to back this up, but it doesn't seem to be beyond the bounds of plausibility.
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 20:25
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canberra97

It was an internal communication and as ratchetring stated the max is not being mentioned.
Also Brigantee since when are B767 and A330 modern aircraft?
paully the Manchester hangar was shut because it was losing the company a lot of money.
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 21:41
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Encouraging post Spotty M - more thought and rationality than many on here might think.

Not sure what you mean by the "modern aircraft" comment- Delta are still ordering A330s, Virgin's are under three years old etc etc........

Oh and the long haul client might provide investment if he felt his clients were getting what they wanted.

I need to stress that this is mere conjecture from a supporter of Monarch since he was 13 and watched G-AOVI depart on 5/4/68 who is not connected with the company in any way.
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 21:53
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I have little doubt the Manchester hangar was losing them money, but every part of that company was losing them money..It was only the degree that varied. The management must have been really bad as the hangar was snapped up, along with a lot of their engineers and seems to be on the right track, now its got a better hand on the tiller..
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 23:29
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Monarch's fine engineering team at Manchester deserves a far more generous epitaph than the one you afford them in your posting.
Mr @ Spotty M simply made what seems a sound quote, your response reminds me of all the Monarch fan boys who were in total denial when the company was on the brink.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 00:09
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A move into long(er) haul may be a good idea, but be too late. I'm thinking that with the exponential growth of Jet2, and the imminent arrival of Ryanair holidays, the budget European market is sewn up. You either have to be in the upmarket, all-inclusive business (TUI First Choice), or in long haul, where many of the customers will be the well-heeled retired who possibly feel safer with a package, and be unaware of the cost of the individual parts of that package.

What do others think?
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 21:05
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Maybe they are resurrecting their old B787 order! Or maybe not!
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 21:20
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seven or eight "modern long haul aircraft"
So for context - the same size fleet as TCX 330's and just a bit smaller than the TOM 787 fleet - ambitious.
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 09:05
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In reality there is a 1% chance of long haul returning to a Monarch , and if it did happen it is at least 3 - 5 years away , so nothing to get excited about . 3 years is a long time...It was mentioned , but I think purely as a staff retention mechanism .
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 13:29
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Have they considered improving the terms and conditions if staff retention is a issue , Often works wonders
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 15:46
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admirable management style...
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 21:11
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By the time Monarch get their act together Norwegian will have over thirty dreamliners and an established name in the long haul market.
I think that the company has been taken in by Boeings sales pitch and Boeing had a very poor year in 2016 for aircraft sales.

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Old 20th Jan 2017, 08:39
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Those cruising silvers and the likes of Captain's choice won't be the types who want to go with Norwegian
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 10:39
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They probably wouldn't have wanted to go with Monarch either had they not reconfigured an aircraft to a very spacious and comfortable configuration.
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Old 21st Jan 2017, 07:25
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I dont think anyone in Monarch actually believes a word of this nonsense regarding long haul.
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Old 21st Jan 2017, 16:31
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Well I think ultimately we will have to get back into longhaul through necessity. This time do it properly, one aircraft type, enough of them and none of those ridiculously long layovers from back in the day. Many of my colleagues agree with me but not for a few years though. The 737 introduction will be challenging enough!
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