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Old 13th Oct 2016, 16:41
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Very well put, I don't think anything has changed and certainly not for the better, with the exchange close to parity, certainly at travel shop exchange rates, anyone heavily dependant on UK business like Monarch,Jet2 and also easyJet are going to find it a tough market in 2017, whilst Jet2 will likely see an improvement to their all inclusive Jet2holidays, Monarch have repositioned themselves as a point to point low ( but not low enough) cost airline, this winter will be brutal for them, Ryanair & Norwegian have a much larger exposure to the European city market and that will grow because it's never been cheaper to visit and spend in the UK but Monarch don't have the brand awareness outside of the UK.

It reads very much like a sell and lease back deal on these 737's in much the way that Sir Michael Bishop did with the bmi group where aircraft were owned by an inhouse ( in Bishopshouse) leasing company and leased to the airline at high lease rates, transferring profit from the airline to the finance house, all well and good and many companies do similar things, but it doesn't help the cost base in a cut throat market up against the big boys

Anyway at least they get to live another year
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 17:19
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Given the farce of the last 3 weeks, unless they're dirt cheap, why have anything to do with Monarch?

Did the caa or monarch ever formally confirm or deny that those ghost flights related to Monarch?
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 17:49
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Given the farce of the last 3 weeks, unless they're dirt cheap, why have anything to do with Monarch?

Did the caa or monarch ever formally confirm or deny that those ghost flights related to Monarch?
Well, I can think of a few reasons why I would.

First, pricing is going to be keen, to recover lost ground as a result of this PR debacle. Second, they have a good reputation; you're less likely to have your flight timings radically changed than with some larger operators. Finally, unlike most airlines, you're covered with an ATOL - so if the worst were to happen you'd get repatriated.

From the general tenor of your posts on both threads on PPRuNe it appears to me you'll stop at nothing to try and help this airline and the 2800-odd jobs that it supports directly out of business.

I just ask myself why.
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 18:01
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1. I've already mentioned price, ****wit
2. good reputation - are you a comedian as well as a ****wit?
3. ATOL - if I book flights with Monarch and they go bust before I leave, do they also refund my separately booked hotels?
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 18:10
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Give it a rest FANS if you cannot have a civil discussion please do us all a favour and have a moan somewhere else. We all know you wanted Monarch to go under but it hasn't so get over it please.
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 18:19
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**** you compton
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 18:20
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FANS, please why the profanity?

I work for Monarch as a mere line pilot. It's been a difficult 2-3 weeks and I now wait with baited breath to see what direction the company moves in.
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 18:33
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You've bad mouthed Monarch more than anyone across all the threads
Whats your beef then.
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 18:45
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My first post - I've seen FANS obsession with Monarch on these threads and up until now there seemed to be no need to actually start abusing people. Monarch have now been cleared to operate by the CAA for another 12 months and now the abuse has started. It smacks of a bitter ex-employee to me (Possibly sacked or made redundant). I could be wrong but I can see no other reason why someone would have so much hatred for a company. Definitely not a disgruntled passenger as they would just say as much, and for some reason I don't think he/she works for a rival airline. Monarch have really upset this person and they are clearly gutted that they have survived. Obviously none of know for sure what the future is for Monarch but I could say the same for the majority of companies out there, but for now they are in business and while they are in business they always have a chance of making a success of it. I hope they make it - flown with them many times and have been generally very happy with them.
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 18:53
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Glad to see things are better at Monarch. They offer a great product and I have enjoyed using and will continue to use them. Amazed at seeing people happy to see the misfortune of others. In this light, I have just booked three tickets to show my support. Well done to Monarch and good luck to all our colleagues for the future.
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 19:12
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I fear the recent positive news regarding Monarch may have tipped poor FANS over the edge if his last rather unhinged post is anything to go by , Further bads news for him is by all accounts bookings are holding up well
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 19:36
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FANS , You are a vindictive nasty piece of work , Do one....
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 19:37
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Greybull went from not wanting to put in 35m a few months ago, before BREXIT, currency turmoil and fuel heading northwards to stumping up 165m. Yeah, okay pull the other one. My guess is there is an awful lot of smoke and mirrors here. Its great that Monarch have been saved but there is still a heck of a way to travel before they are out of the woods!
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 19:39
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He is at it on the other Monarch forum so seems to have upset quite a few people
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 19:57
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Obviously a rather disturbed individual who no doubt has "issues"
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 20:13
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FANS

Perhaps the MOD'swill consider an enforced break.
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FANS,HeathrowHarry and HeartyMeatballs....Bitter and Twisted...
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FANS did someone at Monarch run off with a loved one?...Jog on now...
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 22:58
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FANS,

Despite the "Trumpesque " degeneration of the tone of your argument, and the fact that you are undoubtably seeking "death by mod," you are of course entitled to your opinion, where those opinions don't require the vehicle of profanity or insult to lend them gravitas.

The suggestion that Monarch is in some way a bad employer couldn't be any further from the truth. Even when this particular trauma surfaced a fortnight ago, every employee had been paid just two days prior. I am in my fourth decade as an employee, and there is a very long list of people who have been employees far longer than I have. In 48 years they have never run payroll one single day late. Not one! Whatever criticism you might level at the business, being a "bad employer" is simply ludicrous!

As a pilot, There has never been one single occaission when I felt I didn't have the support of the companies management. And the one single thing (besides paying on time) that I admire them for, is their support and practicality. There has always been a mutual respect in that Captains are employed as responsible people doing a responsible job. To that end, sound decisions are always supported, even when with the benefit of hindsight, they weren't necessarily the best ones. I am sure there have been no end of times when we haven't annoyed the hell out of each other, but there has always been a mutual respect, acceptance, tolerance, support and friendship.

This is a company that has decades of offering apprenticeship training in engineering, sales, management, as well as pilots. Literally thousands of young people have been brought from school and offered not simply "jobs" but whole of life careers.

If I had to leave tomorrow it would be with a very heavy heart. Given the chance to do it all again, I would do it in a heartbeat. Whilst I can only speak for myself, I am certain that the vast majority of the people I work with feel exactly the same way. Even through the stressfull restructure of the company in 2014 and the further uncertainties of the last fortnight, work has still been a great place to be.

So by all means voice your opinion and criticise as you see fit. However your contention that this company is a bad employer or doesn't care about its employees simply belies even the most basic tenet of truth and in turn weakens your other opinions in its wake.
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