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[cornishsimon]

I get the impression that skipness doesn't care tbh

For the record I never said a LHR route would ever be launched, however if one existed it would be well used both by locals and tourists and business alike.

What Cornwall/ NQY lack is connectivity. Why a LHR would bring to nqy/cornwall is connectivity. Will it be the best domestic route ex LHR no, probably the worse.

However the quoted BA LGW route as pointed out faced stiff competition from SZ who were operating frequency. The London market is give or take 100,000 pa. That's a ready made market for someone, a London route with an airline offering decent onward connectivity, thru ticketing etc would bring in many more punters, even just by making the domestic / Irish destinations available again/ available year round.

Will it happen, probably not.

Should it, yes !

BA LHR route ex NQY would open up the world and Europe to Cornwall and bring business and tourism to Cornwall.

Just my opinion, no matter how wrong I keep getting told I am.


cs

[xtypeman]

Well GroundHog this sounds very intriguing. I must admit I have had some ideas and have sounded out a few of my colleagues for their thoughts. Newquay is potentionally an ideal location. One has to consider is LoCo on its way out should we begin to look at alternatives well here is an option. The largest cargo airline in the world is not even an airline but part of an integrated transport system FedEx. Now what Newquay wants is sustainable year round services ideally connecting with London. So here is a conception. This would be suited initially to businessmen(or Women). Firstly there would have to be a survey of all Businesses in the Newquay hinterland and find out exactly where they need to travel too. Let’s take the argument for London as a destination. It may be that LHR would satisfy 50% of business and that the rest requires mainly the west of London. So you can now put into place effectively a corporate shuttle of say 12 to 14 seats and operate to an alternative airport let’s say Farnborough or Fairoaks. There would be as part of the fare an inclusive executive mini coach with phone and Wifi. One coach would serve Heathrow and others would serve the other destinations. With my idea not all the seats would be taken on each service so that there would be a limited number available to the general public again with connections to various non fixed destinations as required.Once established this could be further developed to other destinations. You could use Lydd for a connection to Ashford and EuroStar making Paris in under 4hours from Cornwall. Use Southend for connection to Easyjet services and the City. Use Coventry for the West Midlands. The idea could spread around many of our regional airports. Gloucester and Oxford are two further candidates. They would not potentionally go to London but the North West and North east Scotland and Ireland become within the scope of this conception.

[PlymSpotter]

David - you may as well call Iasi 'Chisinau West'. This new service is aimed at those who travel into Romania from Moldova to fly.

xtypeman - Northolt. Some interesting things happening on that front.

[xtypeman]

Thank you PlymSpotter. Yes Northolt is another option also Biggin Hill each would serve a different potential. It may be that there could be a spread of services to different airfields as required. This is what opens up this idea to regional centres around the country and the near Europe. Southampton for cruises etc Shoreham for Gatwick connections. Routes would be very much business driven not airline driven.

[GROUNDHOG]

Time for that beer xtypeman, if you remember the old trick we used from the colonies and how that worked you can see how it is all put together.... very simple, very efficient and the man in London with the fuzzy hair is giving his full support.

[controlx]

For the gentleman contemplating corporate shuttles using the likes of Biggin Hill or Farnborough, you should be aware that niether is permitted whatsoever to undertake scheduled services, or 'pay for seat' operations of any kind - whole aircraft charters, not 'airline' services.

That leaves say Cambridge, Cranfield, Oxford, of which Oxford has by far the better demographics. Forget Lydd, Manston etc., hopeless.

[GROUNDHOG]

For the Gentleman trying to teach his Grandmother to suck eggs who said anything about scheduled services or pay per seat?

[Fairdealfrank]

Quote: "Will it happen, probably not.

Should it, yes !

BA LHR route ex NQY would open up the world and Europe to Cornwall and bring business and tourism to Cornwall.

Just my opinion, no matter how wrong I keep getting told I am.


cs "

Agreed, you're not wrong, it needs to be LHR-NQY, but until and unless LHR is expanded, there isn't a hope in hell.

[SWBKCB]

For the Gentleman trying to teach his Grandmother to suck eggs who said anything about scheduled services or pay per seat?

With my idea not all the seats would be taken on each service so that there would be a limited number available to the general public

So how would you get money off the general public?

[GROUNDHOG]

Everyone flies for free..... You work it out

[Fairdealfrank]

NQY-FAB

xtypeman, your idea would work best using NHT, if it is ever going to open to small scale scheduled operations (and do NOT mean as a third LHR rwy!). Also leisure travellers should be catered for as well as business travellers.

Provided a station is provided adjacant to a NHT terminal, it could be 17 minutes to the west end (Marylebone) and a coach to LHR is just a 6 mi. ride.

PlymSpotter, what is happening at NHT?

[GROUNDHOG]

Or you could have a luxury vehicle waiting to take the passengers if they wanted to wherever they wanted to go City, Airport, Dockland ( for a fee of course)......

[Romaro]

You can't use Northolt for commercial air transport movements, not permitted. Same as Biggin and Farnborough.

[Fairdealfrank]

Indeed you can't, hence the words in my post:

"...if it is ever going to open to small scale scheduled operations..."

in reference to NHT.

[xtypeman]

Northolt and Biggen are used purely as potential examples. The system has to be thought of in a different light it may be that you overfly London but as the journey uses transport right through to the last mile eg door to door. Some of the final destinations might be other airports but more than likely an office. Yes there would be availability for the general public . As numbers increase services could need larger size aircraft but it would all be driven by demand.

[PlymSpotter]

There are a number of plans and variation of plans, the general gist being to see Northolt accept more civil traffic. This includes the possibility of scheduled services to regions of the UK which have lost their own links to LHR/LGW.

It's an interesting idea, and it has some significant backing.

[Fairdealfrank]

Quote: "There are a number of plans and variation of plans, the general gist being to see Northolt accept more civil traffic. This includes the possibility of scheduled services to regions of the UK which have lost their own links to LHR/LGW.

It's an interesting idea, and it has some significant backing."

It's good idea to open NHT to civil traffic and it needs to happen, even if it's just a stopgap until LHR is expanded.

We have the templates: SEN, LCY.

[Heathrow Harry]

Frank - do you REALLY want the whole of London up in arms about aircraft noise?

One of the problems with LHR expansion (and LGW) is that the airline business makes promises on flight numbers to get their way and a few years later tries to expand the numbers way past the original scheme - thus no-one believes a word we say and even small improvements meet die-in-the-ditch opposition every time

[Skipness One Echo]

One of the problems with LHR expansion (and LGW) is that the airline business makes promises on flight numbers to get their way and a few years later tries to expand the numbers way past the original scheme - thus no-one believes a word we say and even small improvements meet die-in-the-ditch opposition every time

You're mixing up cause and effect. People who know what needs to be done understand that the only way most of our fellows might buy it is to lie, then allow a few years to pass. No one believes a word of it because no one wants to face the reality of a painful price required to ensure we have growth to pay our very substantial debts. The idea there is some fantastic way around this is a childlike naivety. Democracy is all "me, me, me" and very little "us".

[PlymSpotter]

You would most likely be talking props and small next-gen regional jets - more a second LCY than an expansion similar to Heathrow. That isn't going to 'affect' 5% of London, let alone the whole of it.