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Quote: "Frank - do you REALLY want the whole of London up in arms about aircraft noise?"
Did mention small scale at NHT (this is obvious because of the because of the proximity of LHR) and specifically not as a 3rd LHR rwy.
My words were:
"your idea would work best using NHT, if it is ever going to open to small scale scheduled operations (and do NOT mean as a third LHR rwy!)."
Quote: "You would most likely be talking props and small next-gen regional jets - more a second LCY than an expansion similar to Heathrow. That isn't going to 'affect' 5% of London, let alone the whole of it."
Exactly, this is what would be on the thin domestic routes being suggested for NHT (e.g. NHT-NQY since we're on the NQY thread). Also, suggested that SEN and LCY are the templates.
Did mention small scale at NHT (this is obvious because of the because of the proximity of LHR) and specifically not as a 3rd LHR rwy.
My words were:
"your idea would work best using NHT, if it is ever going to open to small scale scheduled operations (and do NOT mean as a third LHR rwy!)."
Quote: "You would most likely be talking props and small next-gen regional jets - more a second LCY than an expansion similar to Heathrow. That isn't going to 'affect' 5% of London, let alone the whole of it."
Exactly, this is what would be on the thin domestic routes being suggested for NHT (e.g. NHT-NQY since we're on the NQY thread). Also, suggested that SEN and LCY are the templates.
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In the same vain this could potentially open up several other airfields. Yet again Redhill has had its latest Runway application turned down. But what about other airfields like Denham, Booker, Panshanger, High Weald and Stapleford to name a few. Some lateral thinking could go along way to looking at the problem of London and its airports.
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white waltham? same problem as ABZ & EDI - the train line is on the opposite side of the airfield to the bar (sorree Terminal 1 of course)
and you know Mrs H was complaining she couldn't spend a zillion on new watches, bags and clothes when we were there last week...................
and you know Mrs H was complaining she couldn't spend a zillion on new watches, bags and clothes when we were there last week...................
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Sorry, I meant another London link.
Why did they name it Southend not London? The same reason they named it Gatwick (or Crawley), not London (which is 27 miles to the north).
Why did they name it Southend not London? The same reason they named it Gatwick (or Crawley), not London (which is 27 miles to the north).
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That video - pass me a bucket, please.
Great if you want to go to Essex but Southend being described as London is a joke, its an hour by train to Central London and useless for any London Airport.
I wish easyjet every success but calling it a London service is taking the .... imagination too far!
The real London service will start when flybe are not replaced by an existing operator, wait and see.
Great if you want to go to Essex but Southend being described as London is a joke, its an hour by train to Central London and useless for any London Airport.
I wish easyjet every success but calling it a London service is taking the .... imagination too far!
The real London service will start when flybe are not replaced by an existing operator, wait and see.
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Well, it takes 47 minutes to travel by train from London Stansted to Liverpool Street and 53 minutes from London Southend to Liverpool Street. Does that six minutes disqualify Southend from its IATA recognised title as London Southend? It's much quicker through Arrivals at Southend than it is at Stansted, so the elapsed time from plane to Liverpool Street is less travelling via SEN than via STN.
Of the six airports recognised as London airports by IATA, only one is actually in London. Even Gatwick is 32 minutes from Victoria by train.......
Of the six airports recognised as London airports by IATA, only one is actually in London. Even Gatwick is 32 minutes from Victoria by train.......
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LONDON-SOUTHEND AIRPORT
No one seems to mind all the various proposed estuary fantasy/vanity project options having a "London" prefix. Lydd ("London-Ashford") gets no criticism, and Oxford-Kidlington ("London-Oxford") is criticised a little.
But in the case of Southend, the knives are out big time! As stated by Barling Magna, of all the "London" airports only London City is in London (as mentioned in their current advertising campaign).
So why does Southend get all the stick about being/not being a "London" airport?
But in the case of Southend, the knives are out big time! As stated by Barling Magna, of all the "London" airports only London City is in London (as mentioned in their current advertising campaign).
So why does Southend get all the stick about being/not being a "London" airport?
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The majority of international passengers route via LHR, admittedly, dependant upon the time of day, LGW is 75 minutes on the coach to/from LHR, but, according to traveline.org.uk , SEN is an average of 2 hours and 05 minutes by public transport to/from LHR.
Now allowing for arriving at SEN one hour before departure that makes any departure from SEN an average of 3 hours and 05 minutes after leaving Heathrow yet, according the the "National Express 504" timetable, in a similar timeframe one could be well on the way to Cornwall and already in Somerset or Devon as one might be departing SEN.
I've said before that SEN has a future but "London to/from the West Country" it is not, the West Country needs a London Airport on their side of town ... people don't appreciate travelling backwards before they travel forwards and vice versa.
Now allowing for arriving at SEN one hour before departure that makes any departure from SEN an average of 3 hours and 05 minutes after leaving Heathrow yet, according the the "National Express 504" timetable, in a similar timeframe one could be well on the way to Cornwall and already in Somerset or Devon as one might be departing SEN.
I've said before that SEN has a future but "London to/from the West Country" it is not, the West Country needs a London Airport on their side of town ... people don't appreciate travelling backwards before they travel forwards and vice versa.
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As stated by Barling Magna, of all the "London" airports only London City is in London (as mentioned in their current advertising campaign).
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LHR is in the "London Borough of Hillingdon" but this thread is about Newquay and not about the ongoing p1ssing contest regarding the ever increasing number of London airports.
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Quote: "according to traveline.org.uk , SEN is an average of 2 hours and 05 minutes by public transport to/from LHR."
Ho ho, you'll be lucky! Suppose it's theoretically possible if (1) Heathrow express is used, and (2) all connections are timed well.
As for the buses, unexpected motorway incidents make them unpredictable.
Would advise anyone contemplating such a journey to allow a lot more time, just in case, then there's no stress and anxiety.
Quote: "I've said before that SEN has a future but "London to/from the West Country" it is not, the West Country needs a London Airport on their side of town ... people don't appreciate travelling backwards before they travel forwards and vice versa."
Exactly right and that means LHR or NHT. There's no chance at LHR until it's expanded, and there's no chance at NHT until commercial air operations are allowed there. Would love to see LHR-NQY and LHR-EXT but it almost certainly won't happen in my lifetime.
Regretably, for anyone travelling between the west side of London/
Thames Valley and the West Country, it's likely to be the good old A303 or the train for a while yet. For the east side of London, SEN should be fine.
Quote: "LHR is in London in the mind of Londoners in the sense that we see London as being the bit within the M25. City is in Newham (!)"
Isn't that a bit pendantic? Can be pendandic as well: are we referring to "London" or "Greater London"? Perhaps that's why it's called "London City"(?) No one questions LCY's advertising slogan (until now).
But the original point remains sound, of all the outlying "London" airports, both existing and proposed, only Southend gets the stick!
Ho ho, you'll be lucky! Suppose it's theoretically possible if (1) Heathrow express is used, and (2) all connections are timed well.
As for the buses, unexpected motorway incidents make them unpredictable.
Would advise anyone contemplating such a journey to allow a lot more time, just in case, then there's no stress and anxiety.
Quote: "I've said before that SEN has a future but "London to/from the West Country" it is not, the West Country needs a London Airport on their side of town ... people don't appreciate travelling backwards before they travel forwards and vice versa."
Exactly right and that means LHR or NHT. There's no chance at LHR until it's expanded, and there's no chance at NHT until commercial air operations are allowed there. Would love to see LHR-NQY and LHR-EXT but it almost certainly won't happen in my lifetime.
Regretably, for anyone travelling between the west side of London/
Thames Valley and the West Country, it's likely to be the good old A303 or the train for a while yet. For the east side of London, SEN should be fine.
Quote: "LHR is in London in the mind of Londoners in the sense that we see London as being the bit within the M25. City is in Newham (!)"
Isn't that a bit pendantic? Can be pendandic as well: are we referring to "London" or "Greater London"? Perhaps that's why it's called "London City"(?) No one questions LCY's advertising slogan (until now).
But the original point remains sound, of all the outlying "London" airports, both existing and proposed, only Southend gets the stick!
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