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As anticipated, Armavia died a death.
The owner has put the business up for sale and is said to be negotiating with potential buyers in Australia, Russia and Italy and so on.
They have recently reached a new leasing agreement for their Sukhoi 100 due to claims of $4 outstanding.
Gives some idea of the outfit and I would guess that we will not be seeing them soon.
David
As anticipated, Armavia died a death.
The owner has put the business up for sale and is said to be negotiating with potential buyers in Australia, Russia and Italy and so on.
They have recently reached a new leasing agreement for their Sukhoi 100 due to claims of $4 outstanding.
Gives some idea of the outfit and I would guess that we will not be seeing them soon.
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Yes I thought the passenger figure for October and load factor would have been higher but when I checked back there were still 13 three-class versions most in the early part of the month.
This month there have only been two three class so hopefully things have improved. Manchester & Glasgow were similar load factors to BHX by the look of their figures.
EK only operate two-class 77W's to BHX, NCL & IST in Europe on a regular basis and I believe Copenhagen is changing from three class next year. They have done brief periods on HAM, Rome and they have appeared at Dublin as well.
I would probably go for 3 x 360 seat 77W's if they were to expand as the 9am BHX departure would meet the Dubai-India/Pakistan/Bangladesh departure bank.
A three class 380 and three class 77W would add only a few extra seats and reduce cargo capacity. They could operate the two-class 77W on the evening like they did at first at MAN but that would add less than a 100 seats a day.
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Good start although fares have been low, tomorrow morning is still only £50 plus £9 although tomorrow night is £155 one way. Monday morning inbound is also only £40 which seems reasonable but I suppose in the short-term it is all about building market share.
By the way flybe Belfast City was up 5% in October.
The cruise flight to Bridgetown starts again tomorrow by Thomson but overall these seem less than last November.
SAS have sent in 738's the last two days but whether this was load related I don't know.
Pete
Yes I thought the passenger figure for October and load factor would have been higher but when I checked back there were still 13 three-class versions most in the early part of the month.
This month there have only been two three class so hopefully things have improved. Manchester & Glasgow were similar load factors to BHX by the look of their figures.
EK only operate two-class 77W's to BHX, NCL & IST in Europe on a regular basis and I believe Copenhagen is changing from three class next year. They have done brief periods on HAM, Rome and they have appeared at Dublin as well.
I would probably go for 3 x 360 seat 77W's if they were to expand as the 9am BHX departure would meet the Dubai-India/Pakistan/Bangladesh departure bank.
A three class 380 and three class 77W would add only a few extra seats and reduce cargo capacity. They could operate the two-class 77W on the evening like they did at first at MAN but that would add less than a 100 seats a day.
easyjet
Good start although fares have been low, tomorrow morning is still only £50 plus £9 although tomorrow night is £155 one way. Monday morning inbound is also only £40 which seems reasonable but I suppose in the short-term it is all about building market share.
By the way flybe Belfast City was up 5% in October.
The cruise flight to Bridgetown starts again tomorrow by Thomson but overall these seem less than last November.
SAS have sent in 738's the last two days but whether this was load related I don't know.
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SAS 738
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The 738 were Load related as England had a football game in Stockholm and numerous fans utilised the service to get there. I must also add that since its start the people using this flight have been mainly Sweedish people and suits travelling direct rather that going via another port.
All in all a good start to a new route and perhaps along with the new BFS by Ezy doing well will help the airport attract other carriers to perform direct flights to other points around Europe. Madrid??? Prague?? Lisbon anyone...?
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The 738 were Load related as England had a football game in Stockholm and numerous fans utilised the service to get there. I must also add that since its start the people using this flight have been mainly Sweedish people and suits travelling direct rather that going via another port.
All in all a good start to a new route and perhaps along with the new BFS by Ezy doing well will help the airport attract other carriers to perform direct flights to other points around Europe. Madrid??? Prague?? Lisbon anyone...?
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October CAA stats
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The October stats are certainly intriguing, particularly when judged against Bhx's rival, Edinburgh....
While in October Edinburgh recorded a decrease in passengers by 2.8% giving a running yearly total of 9,216,135 Bhx's increase of 4.3% improved their running total to 8,871,488.
Now, should this + and - trend continue methinks it will not be too long before Bhx overtakes Edinburgh to reclaim 6th spot.
All-in-all good stats for Bhx.
The October stats are certainly intriguing, particularly when judged against Bhx's rival, Edinburgh....
While in October Edinburgh recorded a decrease in passengers by 2.8% giving a running yearly total of 9,216,135 Bhx's increase of 4.3% improved their running total to 8,871,488.
Now, should this + and - trend continue methinks it will not be too long before Bhx overtakes Edinburgh to reclaim 6th spot.
All-in-all good stats for Bhx.
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Of course, it might have been a friendly but still quite a few fans - almost worth paying SAS prices just to see that goal live
Today it is the 700 although last week it was down for the 800 in GDS. It is good that like LH they can juggle the fleet.
Monty Gordo
Over-taking EDI will be a tough ask with easyjet basing more aircraft and at present BHX does not have a full replacement for the BMI Baby flights. Also TOM rumoured to be 2 x 738 and 3 x 757's which is another loss. However still time for things to happen with rumours on a few fronts next week.
Pete
Of course, it might have been a friendly but still quite a few fans - almost worth paying SAS prices just to see that goal live
Today it is the 700 although last week it was down for the 800 in GDS. It is good that like LH they can juggle the fleet.
Monty Gordo
Over-taking EDI will be a tough ask with easyjet basing more aircraft and at present BHX does not have a full replacement for the BMI Baby flights. Also TOM rumoured to be 2 x 738 and 3 x 757's which is another loss. However still time for things to happen with rumours on a few fronts next week.
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Also Overtaking EDI would be a tough task because of the sheer amount of domestic traffic that airport handles, i don't know the figures because EDI-london airports are not in the stats but i'm sure just that route alone would dwarf BHX's whole domestic total for that month ( 68000 for Oct) . And what is BHX's best domestic route? EDI of course!
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Rumours on the EDI and GLA threads that FR have patched up differences with new EDI owners GIP and some axed routes are starting to re-appear in the FR booking engine from EDI. With increases from EZY, none of this will sadly help BHX to catch up with EDI.
However, as for domestic pax from EDI, according to the site of truth Wikipedia, in 2011 7 out of the top 10 routes for pax from EDI were domestic (BHX 7th with nearly 289,000 pax). LHR and LGW alone accounted for around 1.9 million annual pax, theres also LTN, LCY and STN to add to that! With such hefty flows to LON, BHX can hold its head high that with a much smaller domestic market, far more of its annual pax throughput travel internationally than from EDI!
However, as for domestic pax from EDI, according to the site of truth Wikipedia, in 2011 7 out of the top 10 routes for pax from EDI were domestic (BHX 7th with nearly 289,000 pax). LHR and LGW alone accounted for around 1.9 million annual pax, theres also LTN, LCY and STN to add to that! With such hefty flows to LON, BHX can hold its head high that with a much smaller domestic market, far more of its annual pax throughput travel internationally than from EDI!
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October Route Analysis
Monthly figures per the CAA and the load factors are my estimates using a BHX blog, libhomeradar plus the configs from planespotters.net. The 2011 figures are in brackets.
A mixed bag on the business routes with Stuttgart, Milan, Brussels, Frankfurt, Zurich & Copenhagen down but DUS and CDG up. Munich load factors have dropped with ZB on the route but on a brighter note Venice & Rome seem to be doing fine. Sharm figures are not shown as they include some IT pax in the schedule figures.
BRUSSELS...10029...(11206)...40 PAX...49%
LARNACA...6992...(5252)...184 PAX...91%
PAPHOS...4640...(3039)...178 PAX...88%
COPENHAGEN...6943...(7370)...75 PAX...75%
MONTPELLIER...1998..(2636)...111 PAX...59%
NICE...2724...(3275)...97 pax...56%
PARIS...31382...(27490)...91... PAX...78%
BERLIN TXL...5618...(nil)...94 pax...67% (one cancellation)
DUSSELDORF...16637...(15122)...49 PAX...58%
FRANKFURT...22860...(down 5%)...97 pax...64%
HAMBURG...4179...(2094)...49 pax...56%
HANOVER...5663...(5438)...56 pax...70%
MUNICH...15375...(12280)...82 pax...64%
STUTTGART...3241...(3817)...36 pax...46%
HERAKLION...2434...(nil)...135 pax...77%
CORK...6547...(6574)...53 pax...73%
DUBLIN...44952...(44592)...128 pax...71%
KNOCK...2931...(4077)...47 pax...66% (based on 62 sectors - cancellations?)
SHANNON...2973...(2926)..47 pax..66% (based on 62 sectors- cancellations?)
WATERFORD...1357...(1043)...45 pax...41%
MILAN...4756...(4247)...63 pax...49%
ROME FCO...7524...(nil)...145 pax...80%
VENICE...4570...(nil)...134 pax...77%
TRIESTE...1790...()...112 pax...59%
MALTA...3275...(3009)...182 pax...96%
AMSTERDAM...37606...(41975)...98 pax...78%
FARO...19016...(19601)...170 pax...85%
Funchal...826...(nil)...137 pax...79%
ALICANTE...25361...(24297)...174 pax...88%
ALMERIA...3159...(2814)...176 pax...82%
BARCELONA...3422...(nil)...132 pax...73%
GIRONA...5761...(4100)...160 pax...85%
IBIZA...3834...(4159)....153 pax...80%
MAHON...4397...(5845)...169 pax...79%
MALAGA...26490...(28309)...172 pax...88%
MURCIA...5964...(7988)...166 pax...88%
PALMA...18603...(12710)...160 pax...84%
REUS...4052...(3394)...156 pax...82%
ARRECIFE...11480...(10425)...185 pax...94%
FUERTEVENTURA...6936...(6382)...183 pax...91%
LAS PALMAS...7660...(6854)...174 pax...89%
TENERIFE...16242...(16132)...187 pax...94%
DUBROVNIK...2529...(0)...141 pax...81%
ZURICH...11679...(12166)...66 pax...67%
BODRUM...2095...(o)...131 pax...75%
ISTANBUL...8147...(5451)...131 pax...88% (based on 155 seats for the A320/738)
DALAMAN...8286...(5028)...147 pax...76%
PRAGUE...nil pax...(nil)...
BUDAPEST...2975...(nil)...165 pax...87%
KAUNAS...2894...(0)...161 Pax...85%
BYDGOSZCZ...4435...(+6%)...171 Pax..90%
GDANSK/2949...(2913)...165 pax...87%
KATOWICE...4467...(2640)...160 pax...84%
RZESNOW...3059...(3054)...170 pax...90%
BRATISLAVA...4122...(4260)...165 pax...87%
ASHKHABAD...4751...(4821)...132 pax...70%
DUBAI...39006...(39938)...315 pax...76%
ISLAMABAD...6601...(7804)...254 pax...76% MAN & LHR well down as well)
TORONTO...1497...(1948)...185 pax...77%
NEWARK...7148...(8574)...155 pax...92% -
Pete
A mixed bag on the business routes with Stuttgart, Milan, Brussels, Frankfurt, Zurich & Copenhagen down but DUS and CDG up. Munich load factors have dropped with ZB on the route but on a brighter note Venice & Rome seem to be doing fine. Sharm figures are not shown as they include some IT pax in the schedule figures.
BRUSSELS...10029...(11206)...40 PAX...49%
LARNACA...6992...(5252)...184 PAX...91%
PAPHOS...4640...(3039)...178 PAX...88%
COPENHAGEN...6943...(7370)...75 PAX...75%
MONTPELLIER...1998..(2636)...111 PAX...59%
NICE...2724...(3275)...97 pax...56%
PARIS...31382...(27490)...91... PAX...78%
BERLIN TXL...5618...(nil)...94 pax...67% (one cancellation)
DUSSELDORF...16637...(15122)...49 PAX...58%
FRANKFURT...22860...(down 5%)...97 pax...64%
HAMBURG...4179...(2094)...49 pax...56%
HANOVER...5663...(5438)...56 pax...70%
MUNICH...15375...(12280)...82 pax...64%
STUTTGART...3241...(3817)...36 pax...46%
HERAKLION...2434...(nil)...135 pax...77%
CORK...6547...(6574)...53 pax...73%
DUBLIN...44952...(44592)...128 pax...71%
KNOCK...2931...(4077)...47 pax...66% (based on 62 sectors - cancellations?)
SHANNON...2973...(2926)..47 pax..66% (based on 62 sectors- cancellations?)
WATERFORD...1357...(1043)...45 pax...41%
MILAN...4756...(4247)...63 pax...49%
ROME FCO...7524...(nil)...145 pax...80%
VENICE...4570...(nil)...134 pax...77%
TRIESTE...1790...()...112 pax...59%
MALTA...3275...(3009)...182 pax...96%
AMSTERDAM...37606...(41975)...98 pax...78%
FARO...19016...(19601)...170 pax...85%
Funchal...826...(nil)...137 pax...79%
ALICANTE...25361...(24297)...174 pax...88%
ALMERIA...3159...(2814)...176 pax...82%
BARCELONA...3422...(nil)...132 pax...73%
GIRONA...5761...(4100)...160 pax...85%
IBIZA...3834...(4159)....153 pax...80%
MAHON...4397...(5845)...169 pax...79%
MALAGA...26490...(28309)...172 pax...88%
MURCIA...5964...(7988)...166 pax...88%
PALMA...18603...(12710)...160 pax...84%
REUS...4052...(3394)...156 pax...82%
ARRECIFE...11480...(10425)...185 pax...94%
FUERTEVENTURA...6936...(6382)...183 pax...91%
LAS PALMAS...7660...(6854)...174 pax...89%
TENERIFE...16242...(16132)...187 pax...94%
DUBROVNIK...2529...(0)...141 pax...81%
ZURICH...11679...(12166)...66 pax...67%
BODRUM...2095...(o)...131 pax...75%
ISTANBUL...8147...(5451)...131 pax...88% (based on 155 seats for the A320/738)
DALAMAN...8286...(5028)...147 pax...76%
PRAGUE...nil pax...(nil)...
BUDAPEST...2975...(nil)...165 pax...87%
KAUNAS...2894...(0)...161 Pax...85%
BYDGOSZCZ...4435...(+6%)...171 Pax..90%
GDANSK/2949...(2913)...165 pax...87%
KATOWICE...4467...(2640)...160 pax...84%
RZESNOW...3059...(3054)...170 pax...90%
BRATISLAVA...4122...(4260)...165 pax...87%
ASHKHABAD...4751...(4821)...132 pax...70%
DUBAI...39006...(39938)...315 pax...76%
ISLAMABAD...6601...(7804)...254 pax...76% MAN & LHR well down as well)
TORONTO...1497...(1948)...185 pax...77%
NEWARK...7148...(8574)...155 pax...92% -
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Rumour on the MAN thread that AI are to start twice weekly service from 5th Jan with the newly delivered 787's.....wouldn't they have to give up slots at LHR to start this? I thought that was the whole reason BHX services ended to protect their LHR slots? Who knows with AI??
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Quote: "Rumour on the MAN thread that AI are to start twice weekly service from 5th Jan with the newly delivered 787's.....wouldn't they have to give up slots at LHR to start this? I thought that was the whole reason BHX services ended to protect their LHR slots? Who knows with AI??"
MAN-BOM on AI? Would say not a chance, good though it would be to have more long haul ex-MAN (or BHX, GLA, etc.. for that matter)! Would expect it to be more likely with 9W if at all.
Suspect that the likes of EK, EY, QR and TK already have this particular traffic sown up!
MAN-BOM on AI? Would say not a chance, good though it would be to have more long haul ex-MAN (or BHX, GLA, etc.. for that matter)! Would expect it to be more likely with 9W if at all.
Suspect that the likes of EK, EY, QR and TK already have this particular traffic sown up!
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Hello mate, I like my airplanes but I ay got a clue about what the numbers are that you have put down.Be greatful if you could tell me what they mean.thanks Dan
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New Monarch Hangar
How long before the first negative posting on this extremely positive news?
Hangar too small; takes us space where diversions could be parked; noise; polution etc etc??
Seriously, even though it was probably the worst kept secret, brilliant job - well done BHX and Monarch!
Hangar too small; takes us space where diversions could be parked; noise; polution etc etc??
Seriously, even though it was probably the worst kept secret, brilliant job - well done BHX and Monarch!
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Another very positive point is these will not be the normal airport minimum wage jobs but highly skilled and well paid, great news for the midlands.... just a pity they did not expand at LTN!
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Monarch Hangar
Great news for BHX, anything that helps breathe life into the region and peoples lives through the creation of quality jobs has to be applauded. Monarch have been nothing but good news for BHX! The ITV article mentions AA as a potential customer, I assume that this hangar will see quite a few airlines visiting that don't normally come to BHX?
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Fantastic news! This is probably a stupid question but would the runway extension allow MON to attract customers from much further afield to use the facility? Or wouldn't it be an issue as the planes would be flown in with no passengers/cargo and could manage most places with it's current length?