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Re holes in the fence
A bit late in this one: Can I fit a 400mm Kalazhnykov on the font of my OM10? (All mod cons CATIII) - it sounds like a beast of a camera lens. i've still got some kodacrome film left.
More seriously: I suspect its a bit premature to even think about tour operators transferring services from East Mids to BHX . building progects are subject to unpredictable external influences like weather and project cash flow constraints.
More seriously: I suspect its a bit premature to even think about tour operators transferring services from East Mids to BHX . building progects are subject to unpredictable external influences like weather and project cash flow constraints.
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The runway project at BHX is on time at present, despite them loosing time with all the wet weather. They seem to start work at about 7.30am and go through till 6pm mon to thur,s and 5 on a friday.
No doubt on a penalty clause if they over run.
Still early days though !
Nigel
The runway project at BHX is on time at present, despite them loosing time with all the wet weather. They seem to start work at about 7.30am and go through till 6pm mon to thur,s and 5 on a friday.
No doubt on a penalty clause if they over run.
Still early days though !
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Re the new maintenance hangars....These are to be positioned as proposed in the 2007 'Master Plan - Towards 2030'. Hopefully the next project to be announced will be a new enclosed ground running facility, as proposed in the same plan....
Also the 2015 plan has an extension to the former eurohub with a pier extending out as far as the the new one. Is this still on the horizon?
Ryanair's Teddys expelled from cot!
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Another good reason why airports shouldn't get to a situation when they are over reliant on Ryanair, and why BHX is in a better situation than many regional airports as it does have a wide variety of full service and LoCo carriers.
Another good reason why airports shouldn't get to a situation when they are over reliant on Ryanair, and why BHX is in a better situation than many regional airports as it does have a wide variety of full service and LoCo carriers.
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Nigel & ATNotts
Nigel - its good to see progress on the ground works ATN, I completely agree with you on this, this company's commercial practices are although perfectly legal, are potentially economically damaging in the long run.
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If the costs are too high for Wizz then the same would apply to Jet2 surely? Also to a degree maybe that is what has deleayed what everyone seems to think is a base for Easy?
LS - PRG / BUD
I really am struggling to understand why Jet2 would want to come to BHX just to operate two weekend break destinations. What would they do with the aircraft for the rest of the week - more bucket and spade routes I guess - a market which is already saturated.
Moreover Jet2 have an expanding base not 40 miles up the road, if they wanted to dip into the BUD and PRG market from BHX, I would suggest they open up routes from EMA, and advertise them to a West Midlands audience.
Moreover Jet2 have an expanding base not 40 miles up the road, if they wanted to dip into the BUD and PRG market from BHX, I would suggest they open up routes from EMA, and advertise them to a West Midlands audience.
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If BHX can strike a deal with FR who I should imagine drive the hardest of bargains I am amazed they can't with EZY or LS. FR and ZB manage to run both BHX and EMA bases why not LS too? I think it is the relatively limited range of routes left that would suit the operatinal demands of lo-co ops from BHX that puts them off. Previously tried LIS and PRG yes, along with MAD and recently dropped BUD would be good city routes to have back - WAW also. Otherwise they would have to go head to head on happily served bucket and spade routes by FR and ZB or try routes that have already tried and failed (eg BLQ, BIQ, MRS etc - however just because they didn't work first time doesn't mean they won't again, look at the success of LH on TXL). The last option is completely untested waters - NAP, ATH, SVQ........sadly airlines I don't think have reserves of cash to try things out and see if they work. Still, never say never!
As for Wizz they did fly from CVT for a short time, I don't think a few BHX flights would impact significantly on their ops from LTN and agree that PRG and BUD would be ideal for them if BHX could come up with a deal.
As for Wizz they did fly from CVT for a short time, I don't think a few BHX flights would impact significantly on their ops from LTN and agree that PRG and BUD would be ideal for them if BHX could come up with a deal.
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EZY/Jet2
I think a few safe bucket and spade routes thrown in with the likes of Prague, Lisbon, Madrid, Budapest, Pisa and Toulouse aswell as something a little more daring like Athens or Tel Aviv would be a good starting point should either or these two come to town.
BA and Virgin say Birmingham Airport will never be international hub - Other UK business news - Business News - Business - Birmingham Post
I think this is a reasonable argument.
I suppose they do have a point. But here is an example of which comes first the chicken or the egg?
Faster Stansted rail link would boost numbers by 1.4m - www.travelweekly.co.uk
On the other hand would this be true of BHX?
I think this is a reasonable argument.
Heathrow and Gatwick are full because people want to fly from them. Birmingham isn’t because people don’t.
Faster Stansted rail link would boost numbers by 1.4m - www.travelweekly.co.uk
On the other hand would this be true of BHX?
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BA and Virgin statement
Makes perfect sense seen from the narrow view of the airline hub operator.
If only life were as simple as these airlines make out. Part of a much wider and more fundamental question. Do we run the world according to 'market demand', which is good for business, or accept that these demands must be tempered in order to ensure balanced and sustainable societies?
If only life were as simple as these airlines make out. Part of a much wider and more fundamental question. Do we run the world according to 'market demand', which is good for business, or accept that these demands must be tempered in order to ensure balanced and sustainable societies?
The logic of the BA and VS stance is that in the (unlikely) event that the English economy, away from the southeast sees a sustained improvement the beneficiaries with be Lufthansa, Air France / KLM, Emirates, Turkish and all the other full service carriers.
By the time BA and VS wake up to the improved business situation, the business will be already secured by the carriers that have bothered to serve the main bulk of England, and they would find it hard to muscle in.
All this assumes that the national politicians allow and promote growth outside of the Southeast, something which postwar history suggests they have no interest in doing; certainly if it would be to the detriment of the southeast!
By the time BA and VS wake up to the improved business situation, the business will be already secured by the carriers that have bothered to serve the main bulk of England, and they would find it hard to muscle in.
All this assumes that the national politicians allow and promote growth outside of the Southeast, something which postwar history suggests they have no interest in doing; certainly if it would be to the detriment of the southeast!
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A single bad year can kill any business. The full service airlines at BHX do what VS and BA do, they feed their hubs. Do Turkish fly point to point from other regional airports in Turkey for reasons of social good? Do Lufthansa? KLM? Air France?
Um Emirates?
One hub, many spokes in all cases bar the quite exceptional Lufthansa and the odd good p2p route like GVA with Swiss. They're all much the same really. Thr bulk of England commercially and economically is within the M25 btw.
Trying to run thinga with a balanced and sustainable view is a political ideal I agree with in principle but has given us high energy bills and windfarms. Careful what you do when you distort a market with subsidy.
Um Emirates?
One hub, many spokes in all cases bar the quite exceptional Lufthansa and the odd good p2p route like GVA with Swiss. They're all much the same really. Thr bulk of England commercially and economically is within the M25 btw.
Trying to run thinga with a balanced and sustainable view is a political ideal I agree with in principle but has given us high energy bills and windfarms. Careful what you do when you distort a market with subsidy.
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BA/Virgin
BA are in danger here of missing the market that Emirates have identified and have ignored the fact that people do want to fly out of BHX because LHR is such a hellhole. BA wants to fly out of Heathrow, Emirates don't have to.
It reminds me of when Robert Ayling decided he didn't want backpackers and other Y class people cluttering up his aircraft and handed the lowcosts a marketing triumph.
He was as wrong about that as he was about everything else he did at BA.
Virgin?
I wasn't aware that Virgin had a BHX hub, or any relevant experience in the regions, so their opinion isn't very important here.
It reminds me of when Robert Ayling decided he didn't want backpackers and other Y class people cluttering up his aircraft and handed the lowcosts a marketing triumph.
He was as wrong about that as he was about everything else he did at BA.
Virgin?
I wasn't aware that Virgin had a BHX hub, or any relevant experience in the regions, so their opinion isn't very important here.