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All non-hub routes (FRA/MUC, possibly DUS) will be most certainly be affected. The new low cost carrier will absorb all of Germanwings, Eurowings and LH Berlin as it stands. EDIT: LH Cityline will remain seperate, as it operates out of FRA/MUC. Future of Augsburg Airways is unclear. Accross all LH Group companies the 70 seaters will be taken out of the fleet.
The total fleet size of new holding is said to be 90a/c.
Ex-Germanwings (+LH Berlin?!) will have fleet of A319/320, Eurowings will initially continue to operate under their own callsign (with their fleet of CR900). Edit ends.
If the yield is OK and holds up on LH's BHX routes I wouldn't think that the above combination of airlines would result in a route cull - possibly the name would change from LH to whatever they dream up now for their new baby.
All non-hub routes (FRA/MUC, possibly DUS) will be most certainly be affected. The new low cost carrier will absorb all of Germanwings, Eurowings and LH Berlin as it stands. EDIT: LH Cityline will remain seperate, as it operates out of FRA/MUC. Future of Augsburg Airways is unclear. Accross all LH Group companies the 70 seaters will be taken out of the fleet.
The total fleet size of new holding is said to be 90a/c.
Ex-Germanwings (+LH Berlin?!) will have fleet of A319/320, Eurowings will initially continue to operate under their own callsign (with their fleet of CR900). Edit ends.
If the yield is OK and holds up on LH's BHX routes I wouldn't think that the above combination of airlines would result in a route cull - possibly the name would change from LH to whatever they dream up now for their new baby.
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Interesting if menzies are in the process of losing flybe, this contract seems to be a poison chalice for all handling agents.
Will be intetesting to see how menzies handle united as they are a very demanding customer with a high expectancy of standards.
Could this result in a price war at bhx, with menzies dropping their prices even lower to gain new contracts ???
Will be intetesting to see how menzies handle united as they are a very demanding customer with a high expectancy of standards.
Could this result in a price war at bhx, with menzies dropping their prices even lower to gain new contracts ???
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What source of information do we have, other than a post on here, to prove Menzies have lost Flybe?
I would be surprised because it would mean Flybe are back to the drawing board and being in a position like this would mean it is in the favour of the other Handling Agents. Flybe are not likely to go back to Swissport which leaves only Servisair.......could they now charge what they liked?? Flybe will need a handling agent afterall and options would be extremely limited.
Will believe this one when I see it
Maybe with an additional contract it will give Menzies the boost they need to increase resource?
I would be surprised because it would mean Flybe are back to the drawing board and being in a position like this would mean it is in the favour of the other Handling Agents. Flybe are not likely to go back to Swissport which leaves only Servisair.......could they now charge what they liked?? Flybe will need a handling agent afterall and options would be extremely limited.
Will believe this one when I see it
Maybe with an additional contract it will give Menzies the boost they need to increase resource?
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I heard this in the office last week, attributed to a source inside Flybe who was smacking their head against the wall because of the latest batch of delays.
Problems doing the rounds recently include only having one driver on shift and no headset trained staff on one morning, bags missing flights (sometimes all the bags), Airport staff taking over the BSA as there weren't enough Menzies staff capable of working in there, half the staff sent to EMA to cover the Flybe startup there, not enough staff to cover leave and sickness.
If half of that is true then I can understand why there would be a sickness problem, the staff must be under an incredible amount of pressure to get the job done
It would seem that flybe's desire to keep handling costs down could be coming back to bite them. Everyone who has handled them since they started their expansion at BHX has had the same problem, flybe don't want to pay what it actually costs to provide the service levels they put in the contract. The handling agents always hope that other contracts can help cover the deficit, which may be fine until the aircraft start going off schedule when the impact hits the other airlines and service levels fall across the board. Aviance got dragged down, then Swissport and now Menzies. The first two managed to get their reputations moving back up after losing the contract, Menzies don't have that luxury.
I heard this in the office last week, attributed to a source inside Flybe who was smacking their head against the wall because of the latest batch of delays.
Problems doing the rounds recently include only having one driver on shift and no headset trained staff on one morning, bags missing flights (sometimes all the bags), Airport staff taking over the BSA as there weren't enough Menzies staff capable of working in there, half the staff sent to EMA to cover the Flybe startup there, not enough staff to cover leave and sickness.
If half of that is true then I can understand why there would be a sickness problem, the staff must be under an incredible amount of pressure to get the job done
It would seem that flybe's desire to keep handling costs down could be coming back to bite them. Everyone who has handled them since they started their expansion at BHX has had the same problem, flybe don't want to pay what it actually costs to provide the service levels they put in the contract. The handling agents always hope that other contracts can help cover the deficit, which may be fine until the aircraft start going off schedule when the impact hits the other airlines and service levels fall across the board. Aviance got dragged down, then Swissport and now Menzies. The first two managed to get their reputations moving back up after losing the contract, Menzies don't have that luxury.
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Birmingham Airport Now Closed due to Monarch flight ZB467 (Operated by Aurela) from Nice overran the runway. Flights diverting to East Midlands and Liverpool.
Brum plane skids off runway - ITV News
Pic Here:
Monarch flight. Aurela Airways Plane skidded off runway after landing at Birmingham Airport | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
No Injuries have been reported.
Brum plane skids off runway - ITV News
Pic Here:
Monarch flight. Aurela Airways Plane skidded off runway after landing at Birmingham Airport | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
No Injuries have been reported.
Manarch need to finish this wet lease with aurelia before they do long term damage to monarchs credibility.
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Manarch need to finish this wet lease with aurelia before they do long term damage to monarchs credibility.
From the Monarch Airlines website News section.
We have suspended the use of Aurela Airlines.
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Hi dannyboy39, This was the incident I was speaking of.
Incident: AirExplore B734 near Limoges on Jul 24th 2012, loss of cabin pressure
Incident: AirExplore B734 near Limoges on Jul 24th 2012, loss of cabin pressure
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The BBC were correct in stating it was the same aircraft involved in the Tenerife 51 hour delay.
Up to that point the aircraft had a very good dispatch rate, as I had unfortunately pointed out the day before the TFS incident
. Since then it has also had a fairly good run up until today.
The Air Explore has been also been behaving itself recently as well.
The incident also affected the new Monarch Munich service, which launched today and it ended up departing over an hour late.
The BBC were correct in stating it was the same aircraft involved in the Tenerife 51 hour delay.
Up to that point the aircraft had a very good dispatch rate, as I had unfortunately pointed out the day before the TFS incident
. Since then it has also had a fairly good run up until today.The Air Explore has been also been behaving itself recently as well.
The incident also affected the new Monarch Munich service, which launched today and it ended up departing over an hour late.
The BBC were correct in stating it was the same aircraft involved in the Tenerife 51 hour delay
As I posted in the rumours and news topic on the incident...
The 15 threshold end of the runway is ungrooved concrete which has the potential to be slippery when wet. The position of the aircraft from the photos looks like it may have gone into the grass during the turn onto the A taxiway. Perhaps they took the turn too fast and slipped off the side? I suspect the flaps/slats were retracted during the after landing checks as they turned off the runway and would fit with this theory.
This senario happened at the other end a few years ago with a well established UK operator when the 33 threshold area was also concrete. That end of the runway has since been covered in asphalt.
A look at google earth clearly shows the concrete areas (dont bother with apple maps, the image is very old!)
The 15 threshold end of the runway is ungrooved concrete which has the potential to be slippery when wet. The position of the aircraft from the photos looks like it may have gone into the grass during the turn onto the A taxiway. Perhaps they took the turn too fast and slipped off the side? I suspect the flaps/slats were retracted during the after landing checks as they turned off the runway and would fit with this theory.
This senario happened at the other end a few years ago with a well established UK operator when the 33 threshold area was also concrete. That end of the runway has since been covered in asphalt.
A look at google earth clearly shows the concrete areas (dont bother with apple maps, the image is very old!)
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Correct, I do remember driving home from work and it was parked up on the 70's or 80's but I couldn't remember the day or if it was pre-planned swap, as it did fly back home the other week for routine maintenance and was away for just over a day.
The Nice this morning was covered by Monarch A320 "BB" but the Titan might also still be in.
Correct, I do remember driving home from work and it was parked up on the 70's or 80's but I couldn't remember the day or if it was pre-planned swap, as it did fly back home the other week for routine maintenance and was away for just over a day.
The Nice this morning was covered by Monarch A320 "BB" but the Titan might also still be in.
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