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[jabird]

Hence PIK will offer FR anything to avoid that, they can't afford to allow FR to go as BAA Glasgow will finally have wiped them out. Long memory me!

Hmm. Wouldn't this create some serious competition issues - BAA still deciding which Scottish airport to sell?

[davidjohnson6]

jabird - as long as BAA do indeed sell one of either Edinburgh or Glasgow, I'm not sure why this would create competition issues.
Assuming either EDI / GLA were sold to a company that doesn't own either Dundee or Prestwick, then you would end up with up to 4 potentially competing airports in the central belt. Yes, I am stretching this a bit, but people in Falkirk can credibly choose either GLA or EDI, those living in northern Edinburgh can credibly choose DND and those living south Glasgow can credibly choose PIK

The only problem with this, is that there probably isn't enough room in the market for 4 separately owned airports to compete for the traffic. While London shuttle services will be unaffected, I'd expect EDI and GLA in future to compete very fiercely with each other, particularly for the sunshine routes and charters.

If anything, persuading FR to move from PIK to GLA is in BAA's interests, as any buyer of GLA would see it as a signal that PIK is in very deep trouble, and could be expected to lose further passenger traffic, effectively removing one competitor in the central belt, making GLA more secure and profitable, and thus drive up the price that buyers would pay to BAA to own GLA

[jabird]

That wasn't my point. My concern was that if PIK goes to the wall, it leaves BAA with a monopoly in the central belt - even if only a temporary one. Glasgow as a city should be better off with two competing airports - imho. The population / market is big enough for both of them - but GLA is obviously preferable to airlines and most pax alike.

I don't think DND is relevant to the mix - if by North Edinburgh you mean Leith, then there is no way anyone from there would use DND. DND is constricted by its short runway and city centre location - so I can see there being a choice say for someone living in Perth or St Andrews, but EDI & GLA are the main players for Stirling & south.

I totally agree that FR @ GLA would be in BAAs interest - but no FR @ PIK would reduce competition. Having said that, my understanding is that MOL still pays next to nothing to use PIK - so if he can't make money with that deal, the prospects really are bleak.

[scotsunflyer]

Personally I think you will see FR in GLA before the end of 2012. They have seen LS expand there, and know there is money to be made. They will probably ask for a deal to operate out of the old international pier which has no airbridges

FR may be allowed to operate some of the main sun routes at higher prices, but be given a deal to operate to some of the non served fields in Europe

[blueplatinum]

Personally I think you will see FR in GLA before the end of 2012.

It is amazing they didn't get in there immediately after the demise of Y2, it was a major opportunity missed. I would imagine that FR have an amazing deal at PIK though.

Edit: The demise of Y2 was very unfortunate and sad. This post is not meant to imply I am glad that it happened.

[AGPwallah]

See that Oslo is listed as one of the new destinations from MAN, anyone know if that is Torp (TRF) or Rygge (RYG), as there is nothing showing on the FR website yet.

[delta154]

See that Oslo is listed as one of the new destinations from MAN, anyone know if that is Torp (TRF) or Rygge (RYG).

Flights are not loaded yet, but online check in has. This section says its Rygge.

[AGPwallah]

Not really the answer I wanted but at least I know now. Thanks for that delta154.

[blueplatinum]

"Does anybody know if there is a way to display FR routes as a "timetable". i.e. I want to see what days of the week LPA is served from all the various end points on the routes to here"

Log on to te LPA web site and look at the arrivals and departures. Then you can figure out where Ryanair go to and when. You can also see which flights are based a LPA and which are 'day trippable'.
Repeat this every day for a week and no time at all you have a weekly timetable.
Only problem is that it only gives flights for now - not far into the future.
But it may be a start.

Thanks flyingtincan, but the procedure you describe is exactly what I am trying to avoid having to do

[delta154]

Ill have to try and dig out the source again, as appear to have lost it, but, on the heels of the MAN base announcement, Ryanair look to be following in the tracks of Emirates and Etihad, by creating a customer contact centre at MAN.

By the size of the development, Id be guessing it will be in the Airport city.

[Jamie2k9]

MAN Base

Bremen - Tu, Th, Sa
Brussels - daily
Frankfurt - Tu, Th, Fr, Sa - HHM based a/c
Girona - Tu, We, Th, Sa, Su
Katowice - Su, We
Malaga - Tu, Th, Sa
Memmingen - Mo, Tu, Th, Fr, Sa
Milan BGY - daily
Oslo Rygge - Su, Mo, Wd, Fr
Paris BVA - Su, Mo, Wd, Fr
Rome - Su, Mo, Wd, Fr
Rzeszów - Mo, Fr

ALC, FAO and MAD stay the same. Man a/c does 3 night flights to DUB on Fri, Sun, Mon.
TFS - going to be Su, Mo, Wd, Fr not on sale yet.

Summer 2012 not availible yet.

[daz211]

Cyprus

Any word on the Cyprus base ?

[gd44]

Glasgow Talks...

Two news articles on the subject, but nothing rock solid.

Ryanair

Ryanair in talks to run flights from Glasgow Airport | Glasgow and West | STV News

[Skipness One Echo]

Ryanair Welcomes its 30 Millionth Scottish Passenger

Which is odd as they claim

Since Ryanair’s first Scottish flight departed from Glasgow Prestwick to London in October 1995 Ryanair has opened two Scottish bases (Prestwick & Edinburgh)

erm except they flew GLA-DUB in 1988 and started PIK-DUB in May 1994, there's at least 18 months of passengers they could have walloped right in there. First time I have seen the Harpy machine UNDERSTATING! They mean they opened the PIK base with launch of the soon to be axed PIK-STN in 1995.

[GayFriendly]

FR @ GLA

As a loyal supporter of BHX, I can only say GLA peeps, be VERY careful what you wish for when it comes to FR........

2008: FR launched a base at BHX with a varies selection of sun, city and business routes, greatly bulking up the direct scheduled services timetable. At the time BHX was, like GLA, suffering pax decline, in part due to a vastly superior offering of loco flights from EMA, BRS and to a lesser extent LPL, airports that all claw at the BHX catchment area and that were experiencing pax growth at BHX's expense. 'Phew' everyone thought, the FR publicity machine promised 10 based a/c and 100 routes within five years, rumours abounded that there was also to be a maintenance base set up too, happy days

2011: Forward wind three years, and FR are still at BHX - just. The publicity bluster proved to be just that, most of the initial destinations were dropped with FR launching on already established routes that have seen the withdrawal (Air Malta) or reduction of (BMI Baby and MON) flights on these routes. Of the 23 routes flown this summer, 11 of these are in Spain (all already served by other operators) with only 9 of the destinations FR fly to are exclusive to them. We have three based a/c (a far cry from 10) and a very run of the mill destination offering when compared to the launch of the base.

I believe that FR have done nothing for BHX and its route development, save a few Polish routes that were not served before. Pathetic. So, be very careful, as I said, what you wish for - IF FR set up at GLA, mark my words they will launch on routes already flown by Jet2 and EZY, forget any thoughts of new and exciting routes, at least in the long term, as quoted by MOL himself on the STV news site.

He said he wants to use routes already used by his competitors

The failure of FR to grow at BHX cannot, based on the following comments by MOL himself be entirely down to profit (or lack of it) either

"We're a social service. We are here to carry people at the very lowest fares. We do it for the love: love of passengers, love of community, love of our fellow Gaelic, Gael."

Quite obviously there is no love for the Brummies then or we would have seen those 10 based a/c!

[Callsign Kilo]

I used to believe that FR would arrive at GLA. The BAA have been talking to them for a long period of time. Allegedly they had offered a very similar deal to the one struck for EDI. But what does MOL have to gain by having a GLA base? Capacity won't increase over the winter and it's doubtful to whether it would increase in the summer either. It would remain at the same level as it is at PIK, which is unlikely to go beyond 2 aircraft in the winter and 7 in the summer. Being in GLA wouldn't change this. City routes historically don't work therefore what would FR bring to the fore? Existing services in direct competition with EZY, Jet2, TCX etc? Well for one, there will be no route development funding available as they pre exist. Secondly GLA, from an operational standpoint, has to be more expensive than PIK. I doubt there is even interest in tapping into the London Market, even with the demise of the LHR service wirhn bmi. MOL hates the high taxes associated with internal UK flights. So what is there to gain? I think he just likes to ruffle a few feathers once in a while and keep the management of "Pure Dead Brilliant" on their toes! GLA won't see FR.

[viscount702]

Jamie

The MAN base was only for 2 A/C in Winter 2011

On Mon,Wed,Fri & Sun there are departures to CIA,BGY& RGY before 0700

On Tues, Thurs & Sun there is only a departure to BGY.

Is there an error somewhere?

Viscount

[Jamie2k9]

Would expect lots of changes to the MAN schedule over the next week or two.

[viscount702]

Thought that might be the case as GRO and TFS still to come for Winter as well.

Thanks Jamie

[Jamie2k9]

Girona is operating on Tu, We, Th, Sa, Su. Departure around 6.30 on Tu, Thu, Sa and 15.30 on Wed, Su. It was bookable this morning.

TFS is due to be TFS bases aircraft.