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The legally dictated minimum landing distance for a 60T(an average landing weight)FR 738 is 1700m~ in the wet and 1500m~ in the dry. When the Landing distance available is much below 1700 m it starts to make life difficult and I would think unprofitable as you start to have to limit passenger numbers and payload in general.
It amused me greatly to see some of the anoraks in here panting and getting excited planning FRs virtual routes from SEN. With around 1300m available on one runway there isn't a hope in hell of FR getting in there for anything other then a MX flight.
The legally dictated minimum landing distance for a 60T(an average landing weight)FR 738 is 1700m~ in the wet and 1500m~ in the dry. When the Landing distance available is much below 1700 m it starts to make life difficult and I would think unprofitable as you start to have to limit passenger numbers and payload in general.
It amused me greatly to see some of the anoraks in here panting and getting excited planning FRs virtual routes from SEN. With around 1300m available on one runway there isn't a hope in hell of FR getting in there for anything other then a MX flight.
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Irish Government rejected Ryanairs 5m passengers in 5 years. Dep of Transport claim many of the flights on offer were to sun spots. Travel tax will next be reviewed next March.
Ryanair claimed that some of the routes they offered were to UK and not Med spots in Europe.
Sure MOL is happy if the interview he made last week is anything to go by.
Ryanair claimed that some of the routes they offered were to UK and not Med spots in Europe.
Sure MOL is happy if the interview he made last week is anything to go by.
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HUY Summer 2012
Jamie,
Do you know if Ryanair will be returning to Humberside next summer with their Alicante route?
Is there any chance of a few more routes coming our way? Palma for example?.
Do you know if Ryanair will be returning to Humberside next summer with their Alicante route?
Is there any chance of a few more routes coming our way? Palma for example?.
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No idea whats going to happon with ALC after the court ruling today.
Summer 2012 is still in planning and if its not out by the end of month it does not mean it will not operate. It could be Dec/Jan before summer 12 is finalized.
Summer 2012 is still in planning and if its not out by the end of month it does not mean it will not operate. It could be Dec/Jan before summer 12 is finalized.
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The LDA at SEN will be 1,604m on both runways actually on completion of the runway extension.
Not that SEN want to see Ryanair there anyway; they're quite happy with the 10 year deal with Easyjet.
The LDA at SEN will be 1,604m on both runways actually on completion of the runway extension.
Not that SEN want to see Ryanair there anyway; they're quite happy with the 10 year deal with Easyjet.
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According to ex-YU aviation blog, Ryanair is going to launch direct flights from Podgorica (Montenegro's capital and largest town) to both Stansted and Prestwick, before the winter schedule, after several months of talks.
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Ryanair are failing to keep up with Easyjets load factors and growth rates. Ryanair sell lots of seats but fly far more empty seat than easyjey. Easyjet grow at 8% ryanair at 6%. In the second half of the year Ryanair will go into zero growth or even decline.
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Ryanair are failing to keep up with Easyjets load factors and growth rates. Ryanair sell lots of seats but fly far more empty seat than easyjey. Easyjet grow at 8% ryanair at 6%. In the second half of the year Ryanair will go into zero growth or even decline.
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I really don't see how LOCO transatlantic can work
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Never say never
The one way it might work would be out of Dublin or Shannon, if the government reduce their APD to zero. FR fly into Dublin from everywhere, the problem is that if were able to book a through flight with Ryanair from say EDI and then on to the East coast of the US, then the passenger would incur the full APD applicable band rate, however I think MOL might think he could get around that. If each sector was booked as an individual flight, then APD would only apply on the into DUB bit, the clever bit would be to give confidence that you could make your conection, but thinking outside he circle why not just sell the DUB -USA as any flight on that day or the day after and run say 3 flights a day, in any event given FR on time performance few would worry.
All of this would be of little benefit to the Irish government, unless you go with an overnight stop, which would bring in tourists( a lot would probably just doss on the airport floor, rather spend money on over priced black stuff in Dublin) an overnight stop would in any event meet with current APD regulation for it not being a connecting flight and not liable for APD
So £12 to cover the APD from EDI and £99.00 to fly to the East coast non stop? could you do it in a 738? Plus luggage & food? , think of the scratch card selling time available ?
Not for me mind, but a cheap for a lot Europeans to get to the USA given current asking prices!
All of this would be of little benefit to the Irish government, unless you go with an overnight stop, which would bring in tourists( a lot would probably just doss on the airport floor, rather spend money on over priced black stuff in Dublin) an overnight stop would in any event meet with current APD regulation for it not being a connecting flight and not liable for APD
So £12 to cover the APD from EDI and £99.00 to fly to the East coast non stop? could you do it in a 738? Plus luggage & food? , think of the scratch card selling time available ?
Not for me mind, but a cheap for a lot Europeans to get to the USA given current asking prices!
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But ultimately, people won't do it if they're crammed on a plane like their current 738's. There's only so much cost saving that can be made on current transatlantic flights... I guess.
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180 seats, the 737-800 surely couldnt manage that range fully laden? Fuel, staff, fees the lot - there's a reason flights aren't cheap. I've flown MAN-AMS-IAD for £369 return before, that's the cheapest I've ever seen. I think he'd struggle to touch much less in all honesty.
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The longer you go, the higher the percentage of fuel cost as a proportion of your overall cost base. As fuel cost is largely determined by the financial markets, that means that the longer a flight is, the less Ryanair's advantage.
That was part of the reason why Ryanair was so slow into the market in Greece and The Canaries.
I think people may overestimate the importance of comfort on transatlantic. While, it's not going to be done in the same aircraft and the same configuration as today, I think the tweaks required may be smaller than you might imagine.
What does get them is the lack of connections. On almost any transatlantic route today, there will be a significant proportion of passengers connecting on. Essentially, routes are to a hub on one side or the other, if not both.
I suspect there may be some possibility for Ryanair to manoeuvre there though. Don't sell as a connection and still make people check in separately and handle their own bag change, but possibly sell some form of insurance that will cover the possibility of the missed connection. And priced correctly, they would make a profit on the insurance too.
That was part of the reason why Ryanair was so slow into the market in Greece and The Canaries.
I think people may overestimate the importance of comfort on transatlantic. While, it's not going to be done in the same aircraft and the same configuration as today, I think the tweaks required may be smaller than you might imagine.
What does get them is the lack of connections. On almost any transatlantic route today, there will be a significant proportion of passengers connecting on. Essentially, routes are to a hub on one side or the other, if not both.
I suspect there may be some possibility for Ryanair to manoeuvre there though. Don't sell as a connection and still make people check in separately and handle their own bag change, but possibly sell some form of insurance that will cover the possibility of the missed connection. And priced correctly, they would make a profit on the insurance too.