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[PPRuNeUser0176]

On the topic of slots in Netherlands this winter. They have requested 6726 slots for winter season at EIN but have only being given 4024 slots. Thats a big differance and is it lightly to casue problems. They got what they wanted for the summer.

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[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by EI-EIDW

On the topic of slots in Netherlands this winter. They have requested 6726 slots for winter season at EIN but have only being given 4024 slots. Thats a big differance and is it lightly to casue problems. They got what they wanted for the summer.

I think you'll find that everyone over-declares in EIN, i.e. asks for more than they really need just in case they get lucky. Ryanair had 4046 slots last winter, they have 4024 this winter - that's 11 fewer turnrounds in the whole season, so I think they will be ok in practice.

[Limburg]

Originally Posted by Cyrano

I think you'll find that everyone over-declares in EIN, i.e. asks for more than they really need just in case they get lucky. Ryanair had 4046 slots last winter, they have 4024 this winter - that's 11 fewer turnrounds in the whole season, so I think they will be ok in practice.

Well, that's exactly the problem! Eindhoven is allowed to 'grow' until 28.000 movements by 2015, but they're already approaching that number, implying that Ryanair cannot grow there for at least two years! Therefore they need to look for alternatives; MST would be an excellent candidate in terms of opening hours and available capacity!

Some quotes retrieved from a MOU between Ryanair and MST back in January 2010 (not that recent, but still interesting ...)

- "Growth towards a volume between 800,000 and 1 million departing [Ryanair] passengers by the year 2020 is envisioned as possible."

- "Ryanair is also willing to consider basing aircraft at Maastricht Airport in the medium to long term if the route development plans as outlined above reach a critical mass where opening a base would bring additional benefits to the airline, airport or surrounding region. The airport's infrastructure, opening hours and designation would allow this. Any such route development plan would be subject to a legally binding agreement between the Parties, setting out the precise details of the growth plan."

http://www.centrumpp.nl/Images/3a%20...318-310336.PDF

[racedo]

OK! The thread is restored. Please keep to the topic and do NOT assume anything until the facts are known.

PP - Thank you

[ZixTrix]

FR Bases

Hi Jamie or any of the experts

Any idea for the new bases in 2013?

Thanks

[boyzinblue]

Kassel.
The new airports "competition" would be Paderborn 90 km, Dortmund and Hannover 170 km , Frankfurt 200 km and Leipzig 250 km, so the catchment area appears to be good. If the destinations are attractive then I cann't see why Kassel wouldn't work for FR. Cochstedt has loads factors of 90 % on the sun routes and thats in the middle of nowhere.

[pee]

Finland

I didn't even bother to mention this MOL's visit in Tampere. For me it's obvious MOL doesn't value the opportunities in Finland, shame on him. Besides, FR is lacking a good route strategy here. Closing Malaga in October? Southern Spain and Canaries are a goldmine for Finnair also in Winter, why not for Ryanair?

[j636]

Ryanair Announces Reductions In Services To Morocco As Onda?

[Telstar]

Southern Spain and Canaries are a goldmine for Finnair also in Winter, why not for Ryanair?

The great Circle route from TFS to TMP is nearly 2700nm, and they won't be flying in a straight line. I can't see that happening range wise with much of a load.

[WallyWumpus]

Telstar,

I don't understand your comment. Why is that length of flight a problem for the 737-8 with long runways at each end?

[DomyDom]

New FR routes for MAN summer 2013?

Jamie9K,

Please can you provide an indication of when any new routes to presumably keep aircraft 7 and 8 occupied at MAN for next summer are likely to be released. Even better if you can hint at any routes that are likely to launched.

Thanks, DomyDom

[AMS flyer]

Tomorrow a press conference with MOL in MST. Sounds like 'base'....

[Limburg]

MST base is being confirmed by local news, expect more details this afternoon!

[jabird]

I read an interview with RTM representative who said that RTM didn't want to prostitute itself to Ryanair.

Well they can always hedge their bets on Europort Express!

History tends to show that those airports which don't want to prostitute themselves usually end up doing so, although I would have thought at RTM they would also face a slots / noise issue.

It wasn't too long ago that suggestions were being made that FR was looking at AMS too. Surely that airport is far too large for them - and I don't mean in terms of capacity, or the fact that the Ryanair gates would be an hour's walk from the entrance!

I await MST routes with interest - iirc, it has been served before from STN, like GRQ?

[Limburg]

Originally Posted by jabird

I await MST routes with interest - iirc, it has been served before from STN, like GRQ?

Yes, STN-MST was flown for about a year back in 2003/4.

At the moment MST is served from 11 Ryanair bases in Spain, Italy & Portugal (BGY, PSA, BRI, TPS, PMI, GRO, ALC, AGP, TFS, OPO & FAO).

[Limburg]

The details:

New Routes;
STN 6x weekly
DUB 3x weekly
TSF 2x weekly

additional frequencies
ALC 2x weekly
BGY 3x weekly
GRO 3x weekly
PSA 2x weekly
TFS 1x weekly

Starting in December 2012

Source: MST-Aviation.nl • Login

[j636]

Anyone think that FR will start flights from Lyon. The new loco terminal has being completed and offers 40% reduction in charges.

And charges are being passed on to passengers who made there bookings on flights to Spain before 2 July.

1 Jul - Spanish Airport Tax Increases The Spanish 2012 budget was?

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by j636

Anyone think that FR will start flights from Lyon. The new loco terminal has being completed and offers 40% reduction in charges.

For Ryanair it's not just about reductions in passenger charges - it's about how much marketing support (=subsidy) the airport will pay on top of reduced passenger charges. As an example, in the Commission's latest update on its investigation into Angouleme airport and its aid to Ryanair, it notes that in 2008 the net payment (charges payable by Ryanair, minus marketing support payable by the airport) was -€14 per passenger. That's €14 paid BY the airport TO Ryanair for every passenger. And judging by the direction the Commission report is going in, this aid is likely to have to be paid back.

So if Lyon wants Ryanair, I suggest they not only need to reduce their charges, they also need to find some generous sources of support funding who don't pay any attention to EC state aid investigations and are untroubled about compliance or non-compliance with EC state aid rules.

[davidjohnson6]

Ignoring, the issue of Easyjet already having a substantial operation at Lyon, Lyon airport having only 8.5m passengers last year (surprisingly few), and Ryanair having a loathing for French social taxes...

Why would Lyon airport want to actively subsidise Ryanair ? They're in a situation similiar to Manchester. FR makes its big demands (e.g. zero fees), airport publicly refuses to play prostitute, FR goes off in a huff, but FR know that its a big population centre (Lyon was the 2nd most populous French metropolitan area in the 2006 census) and eventually the 2 parties come to an agreement

Then again, there's always the possibility that FR set up an all-year operation at somewhere like Grenoble or St Etienne instead...

Metropolitan Area (France) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[EZY7117LPL]

FR9592 / 9593

Does anyone know why FR9592 / 9593 LPL/PMI has such a long turnaround in Palma (1 hour 15mins)?

Thanks in advance