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One World poorly served into Asia
What about CX and KA as well JAL, whats needed is a direct flight to a worthwhile hub - going to AsiaPac via the sandpit is not a good solution, wake up in the middle of the night to change planes, no thanks.
What about CX and KA as well JAL, whats needed is a direct flight to a worthwhile hub - going to AsiaPac via the sandpit is not a good solution, wake up in the middle of the night to change planes, no thanks.
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The Paris fuel shortage maybe starting to bite as AFR306 is due in Manchester
in about 20 minutes en-route Seattle
in about 20 minutes en-route Seattle
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Oneworld in not INTO
My comment on Oneworld is operating in Asia, not into. Into Asia from MAN you have LHR or HEL. Skyteam is AF/KL. Star LH/SR/SK. But once you are here, then Oneworld has the poorest options of the three.
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According to the CAA provisional statistics, it was a good month all round for the middle eastern carriers from Manchester. Compared to September 2009, Dubai was up by 12%; Abu Dhabi was up by 42%; and Doha grew by 2%. The only negative was the loss of services to Saudi Arabia, but traffic was fairly negligible on those routes in September 2009 (fewer than 2,000 passengers.)
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EY: the figures were bound to be good with such a large increase of seats on the B777 vs A330. The B773 is back in november, and a lounge opening soon the figures should increase more so.
EK: when the EK17/18 went to an A388, it was said there was a capacity increase of 20%. Most of that increase was in the F/J cabin so a 12% increase is very very good, it means an increase in the money making cabins.
QR: these services have remained an A330 for a couple of years now, and with constant increases month on month, along with cargo, one has to wonder when the route will be increased to a B773, or, an increase of frequency to say, 10 or 11 weekly?
Also, to keep up with EK/EY, I wonder if QR will look at building a lounge at MAN?
EK: when the EK17/18 went to an A388, it was said there was a capacity increase of 20%. Most of that increase was in the F/J cabin so a 12% increase is very very good, it means an increase in the money making cabins.
QR: these services have remained an A330 for a couple of years now, and with constant increases month on month, along with cargo, one has to wonder when the route will be increased to a B773, or, an increase of frequency to say, 10 or 11 weekly?
Also, to keep up with EK/EY, I wonder if QR will look at building a lounge at MAN?
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a few leads, one from airliners.net, the other from plane-mad.com, you have to look at the manchester section , summer into winter topic. and a couple of other leads from within the company.
also heard that AC is coming back , can anyone shed light on this, ment to be with a 763. slated for next year too.
From what is being discussed MAN seems to be having some new life put into it next year. and longhual routes are expanding lots..
also heard that AC is coming back , can anyone shed light on this, ment to be with a 763. slated for next year too.
From what is being discussed MAN seems to be having some new life put into it next year. and longhual routes are expanding lots..
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The Air New Zealand one is a madcap fantasy (in my view) from planemad.com that's taken hold on airliners.net. Again they're throwing darts at a world map working out what the intermediate stop will be on this new service.
The man chatting about the AC return is quoting MAN-YUL (Montreal-Dorval) which I would be quite surprised at. I would say with Zoom gone, yields on the return of the seasonal AC840/841 YYZ service would be much better, but I'm not sure why they would choose Dorval given that onward connections are mainly through Toronto and Manchester is not famously French speaking.
I'd love to see the MAN-YYZ back though.
Take it with a pinch of "sel".
I'll get me coat.
The man chatting about the AC return is quoting MAN-YUL (Montreal-Dorval) which I would be quite surprised at. I would say with Zoom gone, yields on the return of the seasonal AC840/841 YYZ service would be much better, but I'm not sure why they would choose Dorval given that onward connections are mainly through Toronto and Manchester is not famously French speaking.
I'd love to see the MAN-YYZ back though.
Take it with a pinch of "sel".
I'll get me coat.
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Planemad has been the most accurate site for quite a while now and has broken news
on several new routes before anybody else, many of the guys on there work at the airport, so give the guys a bit of slack.
Make sure your coat is made of Kevlar
Ian B
on several new routes before anybody else, many of the guys on there work at the airport, so give the guys a bit of slack.
Make sure your coat is made of Kevlar
Ian B
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The Air New Zealand one is a madcap fantasy (in my view) from planemad.com
What is madcap about NZ? Its been long knowlegeable that they have been looking into MAN, and with the likes of EK/EY/QR/BA/QF and so on taking the cream of the crop, whats wrong with a star carrier wanting take their share of the market? EK themselves have said the MAN market demand is far from being met, so someone somewhere must have a chance of getting their piece of the market. (yes the market may not be to NZ, but by some pax seeking a better option, means EK can concentrate on filling its 'unmet demand'
As for planemad, Most of the guys on that forum, unlike some other sites are mostly genuine airline/airport workers. If they have prior knowlege to something happening and they dont mind sharing the info, they choose this site over others to post on.
The guy posting the info has been right about a few things now, such as EK upping to the A380 this year, VS adding LAS and upping BGI, JFK going year round and the new UK-TPE air agreement just before it hit mainstream sites. Give the site a chance, I know your an analyst and supposedly know the trends and so on but these guys are directly involved in some of the stuff being said there.
they're throwing darts at a world map working out what the intermediate stop will be on this new service
That may be a given but there are good reasons as to why each stop could work. I personally think its between LAX/HKG, (LAX as its a big port for NZ and would be the logical choice, but you cant ignore the fact 138000 are transiting LHR for HKG alone. Yes we dont know about yields but that is a flippin large number!)
I'd love to see the MAN-YYZ back though.
Thats one of the few good things Ive heard you say about MAN. I think AC should come back to MAN. The star presence is slowly building (not really any new routes, but frequency wise star connections are increasing). We only have TS/TCX for YYZ now and I think as business travel seems to be getting better from MAN, the AC biz cabin could work better. Also, as seen as EK/EY/QR cant get more access to canada, maybe pax could get there through MAN (I know there are no code shares but so many internet options now mean pax can book 2 seperate tickets)
Skipness, I know if none of the above happens you will be first to say 'told you so', but for now can you at least spare a little benefit of the doubt, as even analysts can missjudge things.
What is madcap about NZ? Its been long knowlegeable that they have been looking into MAN, and with the likes of EK/EY/QR/BA/QF and so on taking the cream of the crop, whats wrong with a star carrier wanting take their share of the market? EK themselves have said the MAN market demand is far from being met, so someone somewhere must have a chance of getting their piece of the market. (yes the market may not be to NZ, but by some pax seeking a better option, means EK can concentrate on filling its 'unmet demand'
As for planemad, Most of the guys on that forum, unlike some other sites are mostly genuine airline/airport workers. If they have prior knowlege to something happening and they dont mind sharing the info, they choose this site over others to post on.
The guy posting the info has been right about a few things now, such as EK upping to the A380 this year, VS adding LAS and upping BGI, JFK going year round and the new UK-TPE air agreement just before it hit mainstream sites. Give the site a chance, I know your an analyst and supposedly know the trends and so on but these guys are directly involved in some of the stuff being said there.
they're throwing darts at a world map working out what the intermediate stop will be on this new service
That may be a given but there are good reasons as to why each stop could work. I personally think its between LAX/HKG, (LAX as its a big port for NZ and would be the logical choice, but you cant ignore the fact 138000 are transiting LHR for HKG alone. Yes we dont know about yields but that is a flippin large number!)
I'd love to see the MAN-YYZ back though.
Thats one of the few good things Ive heard you say about MAN. I think AC should come back to MAN. The star presence is slowly building (not really any new routes, but frequency wise star connections are increasing). We only have TS/TCX for YYZ now and I think as business travel seems to be getting better from MAN, the AC biz cabin could work better. Also, as seen as EK/EY/QR cant get more access to canada, maybe pax could get there through MAN (I know there are no code shares but so many internet options now mean pax can book 2 seperate tickets)
Skipness, I know if none of the above happens you will be first to say 'told you so', but for now can you at least spare a little benefit of the doubt, as even analysts can missjudge things.
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Thats one of the few good things Ive heard you say about MAN
Bear in mind Company X flying from A to B is NOT the same as Company X making money flying from A to B. I don't see how a small-ish home market like New Zealand can make money flying direct to Manchester.
It's not about
taking the cream of the crop
a star carrier wanting take their share of the market
I have little doubt marketing have been pushing for it as I work in analytics and some of the stuff marketing comes out with is from the planet of "blue sky thinking". to put it mildly. The danger is they end up filling a B777 to LAX or YVR with good Y fares with not enough onward connections to NZ. I suspect the NZ option would remain more attractive (i.e. cheaper) on a new A380 via DXB. Actually I got the A380 wrong, I thought MAN would not be up there so quickly but happy to be wrong on that score. I'm not anti MAN, just anti dartboard route planning. I see too much of that at work.
Yes we dont know about yields but that is a flippin large number!
Skipness, I know if none of the above happens you will be first to say 'told you so', but for now can you at least spare a little benefit of the doubt, as even analysts can missjudge things.
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well said that man
People who work on the coalface so to speak tend to the 1st to find out what is bubbling under, they might not come off for many reasons i:e Cathay 2 years ago
but if an airlines has applied for slots and are talking to the airport authority must be quite serious about starting.
Manchester is now quite a serious Star Alliance hub and anything like Air New Zealand/Air Canada
is going make it`s presence even more important as it would create a new spoke and
bring more pax from Europe to connect
Ian B
well said that man
People who work on the coalface so to speak tend to the 1st to find out what is bubbling under, they might not come off for many reasons i:e Cathay 2 years ago
but if an airlines has applied for slots and are talking to the airport authority must be quite serious about starting.
Manchester is now quite a serious Star Alliance hub and anything like Air New Zealand/Air Canada
is going make it`s presence even more important as it would create a new spoke and
bring more pax from Europe to connect
Ian B