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Very low LF
Guys,
Quoted from a Portuguese forum:
"In the last few days I had the following flights with Ryanair: Bremen-Oslo Rygge and Oslo Torp-Bremen. The first flight had 11 pax, and the second 30. When I arrived in Bremen, about 45 minutes before the following flight to Oslo Rygge, there were only 3 pax waiting in the boarding gate."
How can Ryanair maintain this routes with this incredibly low load factor?
Quoted from a Portuguese forum:
"In the last few days I had the following flights with Ryanair: Bremen-Oslo Rygge and Oslo Torp-Bremen. The first flight had 11 pax, and the second 30. When I arrived in Bremen, about 45 minutes before the following flight to Oslo Rygge, there were only 3 pax waiting in the boarding gate."
How can Ryanair maintain this routes with this incredibly low load factor?
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True on some routes. It is in part, however, resulting from the deal-driven route planning. Routes are being created between the cities that want to financially participate in the development (this famous marketing support), not where pax would really like to fly. It's sometimes really tough to get people flying between two small cities while no connecting flights are being offered.
The other reason behind low LF's is the insane jealousy towards some competitors. In November I've expressed my opinion that FR has started an unnecessary war with Wizz Air. My dissatisfaction was not caused just by the fact that Wroclaw (not Tampere) got a mindless connection with Rygge just to hurt Wizz. By now, it just became obvious. As mentioned above:
So, what is being created now? Here some examples:
Wizz Air routes versus FR new routes
On the other hand...
Excuse me for giving examples from Finland, but that's the market I know. People pay Finnair 240 - 450 € for direct flights to Pisa, Rome, Venice (price examples for June 2010). FR wants some 2€ per pax to start any negotiations. With such a price level, would they really need any support? But no, they prefer to sell €9.99 flights elsewhere, waiting for incentives. Why?
The other reason behind low LF's is the insane jealousy towards some competitors. In November I've expressed my opinion that FR has started an unnecessary war with Wizz Air. My dissatisfaction was not caused just by the fact that Wroclaw (not Tampere) got a mindless connection with Rygge just to hurt Wizz. By now, it just became obvious. As mentioned above:
3 new routes from BGY (RAK, WRO, POZ)
Wizz Air routes versus FR new routes
Wroclaw routes
W6 WRO-Forli, FR (coming later) WRO-Bologna
W6 WRO-BGY, FR (just announced) WRO-BGY
W6 WRO-TRF, FR (coming later) WRO-RYG
Poznan routes
W6 WRO-BGY, FR (just announced) WRO-BGY
And so on, and so on. What do you expect on these routes? WizzAir already flies between WRO and RYG, loads are poor and prices low. What will happen when FR starts in a couple of months? Any common sense?W6 WRO-Forli, FR (coming later) WRO-Bologna
W6 WRO-BGY, FR (just announced) WRO-BGY
W6 WRO-TRF, FR (coming later) WRO-RYG
Poznan routes
W6 WRO-BGY, FR (just announced) WRO-BGY
On the other hand...
Excuse me for giving examples from Finland, but that's the market I know. People pay Finnair 240 - 450 € for direct flights to Pisa, Rome, Venice (price examples for June 2010). FR wants some 2€ per pax to start any negotiations. With such a price level, would they really need any support? But no, they prefer to sell €9.99 flights elsewhere, waiting for incentives. Why?
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EasyJet vs Ryanair is a tricky comparison, it all depends on the route and what the passenger is looking for. In terms of cost, Ryanair could beat easyJet hands down just because the two cost bases are now quite far apart, is it not something like €20 per passenger different now? This makes it difficult to easyJet to compete where passengers aren't looking for anything but price and timings etc. EasyJet will win market share over business routes, with better frequencies, over leisure routes where passengers with families are concerned about baggage restrictions and other similar service related factors.
On another note, the summer schedules look nearly complete. Edinburgh for example, is showing 5 aircraft based with a few gaps here and there now for summer 2010, yet still no announcement of this. Are there any more bases where this is the case? BHX, EMA etc?
On another note, the summer schedules look nearly complete. Edinburgh for example, is showing 5 aircraft based with a few gaps here and there now for summer 2010, yet still no announcement of this. Are there any more bases where this is the case? BHX, EMA etc?
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In the news right now:
So... "to celebrate the excellent verdict of the European Commission we are proud to announce our first base in Central-Eastern Europe" 
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No, no. I don't claim it will be Bratislava, in fact it could be... anything. But who knows?
-The European Commission Wednesday said it has closed an investigation into a deal between low-cost airline Ryanair and the Bratislava airport operator.
The commission said the terms of deal, in which the airport operator agreed to cover some of Ryanair's costs, didn't give Ryanair an unfair advantage over its competitors.
Rival airlines in recent years have attacked Ryanair's agreements with airports, saying they violate European Union antitrust rules.
The commission, the EU's regulatory arm, said it has seven other ongoing investigations involving Ryanair. It said the decision to close the Bratislava airport investigation doesn't mean it will drop these other cases.
The commission said the terms of deal, in which the airport operator agreed to cover some of Ryanair's costs, didn't give Ryanair an unfair advantage over its competitors.
Rival airlines in recent years have attacked Ryanair's agreements with airports, saying they violate European Union antitrust rules.
The commission, the EU's regulatory arm, said it has seven other ongoing investigations involving Ryanair. It said the decision to close the Bratislava airport investigation doesn't mean it will drop these other cases.
.No, no. I don't claim it will be Bratislava, in fact it could be... anything. But who knows?
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On another note, the summer schedules look nearly complete. Edinburgh for example, is showing 5 aircraft based with a few gaps here and there now for summer 2010, yet still no announcement of this. Are there any more bases where this is the case? BHX, EMA etc?
In November it showed a need for seven based aircraft on some days, though only five have been announced.
Since then routes have been dropped, added, moved to different times or different days or scheduled to be operated by non-based aircraft.
When I looked a few days ago Friday mornings still needed six based aircraft but there are other periods when gaps appear in the timetable.
No doubt further tinkering is to come.
The current timetable (or the one I looked at a few days ago anyway) indicates 121 weekly rotations, 24 of which from timings will be operated by non-based aircraft.
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MerchantVenturer, a very similar thing happened with the timetable of Ryanair at LBA. Timings were changed several times and aircraft changed with based units and non based. We were first set to have two based units and then the timetable made it look like three but now it has changed again so that there are two based units and a lot of the flights are to be operated by non based units. I think a similar thing will happen at Bristol.
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Not only at LBA, much the same situation exists across the entire network. Unfortunately, it is constantly disrupting numerous travellers' plans. No matter how Ryanair disregard the significance of self-made connections, many passengers tend to take such a risk and plan their travel this way. Or used to. Clearly, it's no more reasonable. These changes are too frequent and unpredictable to bother. Ryanair will probably never introduce any official connecting flights, but now are harming themselves by discouraging the pax. Unsatisfactory load factors? Well, constantly reshuffling the schedules will not help.
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W6 will not win against FR. No-one ever does.
People should stop confusing the appearance of competition between FR and Wizzair to the actuality where they don't. A couple of small thinly served routes stops people complaining they don't compete.
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Proposed lavatory charges
I have been reading comments on this as my Mother is a frequent RYR customer from AGP-LPL-AGP.But I have an avid aviation interest.
If these charges go ahead at some stage to charge for lavatory usage on short flights 1-1 1/2 hours and the addition of 6 extra seats would that mean basically having a fleet within a fleet? What I mean is that those aircraft based in what ever country that are within the proposed time limit are to be modified.But those aircraft on longer routes will stay as they are.As all the current aircraft are identical in layout,etc. This would create a fleet to be the RYR version of long haul (1 1/2 hours+) with extra lavatories and another for their version of short haul.(less than 1 1/2 hours)with less lavatories and extra seats. With them constantly changing bases and new routes this could become a logistics nightmare to have the right aircraft with the right set-up or is this a plan to introduce it to all of the fleet over time once passengers are familiar with the new system,so it doesn't become a 2 fleet operation. I admit I am unfamiliar with how many lavatories an aircraft is legally to have for longer flights,if there is such a requirement.
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If these charges go ahead at some stage to charge for lavatory usage on short flights 1-1 1/2 hours and the addition of 6 extra seats would that mean basically having a fleet within a fleet? What I mean is that those aircraft based in what ever country that are within the proposed time limit are to be modified.But those aircraft on longer routes will stay as they are.As all the current aircraft are identical in layout,etc. This would create a fleet to be the RYR version of long haul (1 1/2 hours+) with extra lavatories and another for their version of short haul.(less than 1 1/2 hours)with less lavatories and extra seats. With them constantly changing bases and new routes this could become a logistics nightmare to have the right aircraft with the right set-up or is this a plan to introduce it to all of the fleet over time once passengers are familiar with the new system,so it doesn't become a 2 fleet operation. I admit I am unfamiliar with how many lavatories an aircraft is legally to have for longer flights,if there is such a requirement.
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Exactly, that's why I think it will never happen. It will raise the cost base.
As for the continuous re-timing of their flights.. It's very annoying while it doesn't do anything for the bottom line of Ryanair, does it?
It's not only that it ruins connecting flights. For example if I know I have to travel a route in the evening and Ryanair have a daily flight on that route? Do I dare to book them? It could be a morning flight a week later!
As for the continuous re-timing of their flights.. It's very annoying while it doesn't do anything for the bottom line of Ryanair, does it?
It's not only that it ruins connecting flights. For example if I know I have to travel a route in the evening and Ryanair have a daily flight on that route? Do I dare to book them? It could be a morning flight a week later!
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It was over 6 months ago that an internal rumour (I work for FR) was spread that the plan was to put 10 aircraft into Barcelona. As always, the deal wasn't good enough with the stumbling block being route development funding. Plus with Barcelona posing itself as the airport of Cataluna, Spanair (who I am told like to consider itself as the airline of Cataluna) objected highly. Especially as they have scaled down their operation at Madrid and Ryanair have expanded theirs.