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I can't see the point in wishful thinking & maybe it's just me but if Venice isn't of sufficient interest to one operator, then why should Milan or indeed any Italian alternate be of interest to any operator ?
This is perhaps of even more concern when Venice offered a direct gateway to the Cruise ships operating out of the Med / Adriatic which should in theory add significant comfort to the load factors / revenue.
The only sense I can derive from this is there was some potential conflict between the port of Venice & these ships re access to the lagoon which cast a shadow over all such operations. I believe that in the end financial sense has persuaded the authorities to continue to allow access. Maybe Jet 2 are / were holding off until the result of this issue was determined ?
This is perhaps of even more concern when Venice offered a direct gateway to the Cruise ships operating out of the Med / Adriatic which should in theory add significant comfort to the load factors / revenue.
The only sense I can derive from this is there was some potential conflict between the port of Venice & these ships re access to the lagoon which cast a shadow over all such operations. I believe that in the end financial sense has persuaded the authorities to continue to allow access. Maybe Jet 2 are / were holding off until the result of this issue was determined ?
Runway
Has Newcastle thought ahead ...any chance of a runway extension? Loosing runways as the uk is..Manston possibly prestwick. Maybe it's time to add a few hundred metres. With government help!!!! Who knows what the future holds... A lot less airports but offering better services.
Here down in dtv we will probably fade into oblivion and so better facilities are needd...leeds ,humberside,dtv can't offer it so maybe
the the time to speculate? Just a thought guys.
Here down in dtv we will probably fade into oblivion and so better facilities are needd...leeds ,humberside,dtv can't offer it so maybe
the the time to speculate? Just a thought guys.
Crystal ball. .....
Good point. How about the future...lots of older aircraft filtering down to secondary airlines. Freight...isn't the north east economy,Flourshing(freight airlines using older types) emirates...shortest runway in their network...so to retain??? Most current types restricted. To even Tenerife etc. and basically...give something that all airlines would be happy with? :dare I say it. NYC with noo restrictions? H24 ops no restrictions...hey. Let's go to newcstle((or dtv)!!!!!!!! Sorry guys. Speculate to accumulate..just like dtv !!!
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I think the new 787/350 would be the ideal aircraft for airlines planning new long haul flights from NCL and both aircraft should be able to operate without the need for a longer runway. we know the 787 can and does. (the type exception would be the ubiquitous 757 from American operators)
Awaiting a decision about cruise ships entry and berthing in Venice may well have caused Jet 2 to hold off any announcement on the route for 2015.
The issue has been resolved now and ships will continue to operate out of the City so maybe we will hear something soon.
Awaiting a decision about cruise ships entry and berthing in Venice may well have caused Jet 2 to hold off any announcement on the route for 2015.
The issue has been resolved now and ships will continue to operate out of the City so maybe we will hear something soon.
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Jet 2 Venice.S15
It has been released for a while from EDI, LBA and MAN but not NCL. Why? If it was the cruise ship issue would that not affect other bases also. It still could be released yet.
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Volotea has smaller aircraft and slightly lower fares by the look of it (on occasion), and Jet2's city routes from NCL seem to be trundling along slowly with numbers decreasing bit by bit until they decide it's not profitable anymore and pull it... Look at Cork... However that is now working quite nicely with Aer Lingus. Just because one airline cant/wont make it work doesn't mean another cant give it a go.
With regards to the runway extension, it's not necessary, if aircraft are performance limited, such as the A321/738, why not keep the 757's as long as they can until the neos/max's come out!!! (Only half joking)
With regards to the runway extension, it's not necessary, if aircraft are performance limited, such as the A321/738, why not keep the 757's as long as they can until the neos/max's come out!!! (Only half joking)
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Hop! E190 replacing Air France AR8 today
Hop E190 operating AF1058/9 today CDG-NCL-CDG. Anyone aware that Air France are switching Newcastle to their Hop! subsidiary (as Aberdeen)
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These cringeworthy dreams are getting worse week by week.
We're all happy to talk about news and rumours but these "dreams" are becoming ridiculous.
Let's talk about these non-existent plans to extend the runway for all these long haul operators waiting to claw theirselves into the huge, potential long-haul market from NCL.
We're all happy to talk about news and rumours but these "dreams" are becoming ridiculous.
Let's talk about these non-existent plans to extend the runway for all these long haul operators waiting to claw theirselves into the huge, potential long-haul market from NCL.
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I've been following this forum for a while and have occasionally posted and have to say I agree, it's no longer a rumours forum, more a spotters dream forum nowadays. Just to pick up on a few things mentioned lately:
Virgin - Personally I do actually think Virgin could maybe make an A330 to Orlando work say 3 times a week, especially selling tickets through it's Virgin Holidays arm however where is the 'rumour' that this may happen? I haven't seen anything anywhere which even remotely suggests it as a possibility?
EK - 1) 2nd daily: Again, a possibility. There's no denying the route is doing well or else it wouldn't operate daily with a 77W but just consider how many other destinations Emirates operate to AND how many they probably wish to serve in the next few years. They may have a lot of a/c on order but I dare say the majority of these deliveries are already allocated to new/existing routes which are more important than NCL. Also, NCL isn't that consistent, some months the loads are low 60's, some they are mid/high 80's (based on 428 seats a day). Yes, loads aren't the be all and end all but considering other routes which are more consistent, they will probably see any upgrade/additional services before NCL.
2) A380, again similar issues. They may have a lot on order but most will have probably been allocated by now and with Emirates saying they wish to have all N. American services A380, this could potentially take up 15-20 a/c per day. Then, just thinking about the UK alone, you're probably looking at LGW and MAN going all A380 as well as probably BHX and GLA going at least 1 A380 p/day before NCL is even considered. I just can't see it ever happening.
Norwegian - currently having major problems at LGW, especially long haul. Next year will be more of a consolidation year for them with few new (net) additions to the fleet. They couldn't make LPL work and are rumoured to be considering MAN but having their doubts. Can't see NCL happening any time soon.
Vueling - yes, they are expanding fast and have new a/c coming in all the time but they again aren't at many other big UK and European airports yet and easy jet are already on the route. They are starting MAN soon, so it's a possibility maybe in a few years but can't see it any time soon.
And then there's NY...I won't even start....
Plus, where are all these new routes coming from that would be 'perfect' from NCL on the 787/350? Who will operate them, which routes have the demand?
Don't get me wrong, I have always lived in the North East and have used NCL at least once a year all my life and am a big supporter of the airport, but I think people need to start appreciating what NCL actually has rather than turning the forum into constant debate about rumours/dreams that realistically probably aren't going to happen anytime soon...
There's my 2 cents for all it's worth!
Virgin - Personally I do actually think Virgin could maybe make an A330 to Orlando work say 3 times a week, especially selling tickets through it's Virgin Holidays arm however where is the 'rumour' that this may happen? I haven't seen anything anywhere which even remotely suggests it as a possibility?
EK - 1) 2nd daily: Again, a possibility. There's no denying the route is doing well or else it wouldn't operate daily with a 77W but just consider how many other destinations Emirates operate to AND how many they probably wish to serve in the next few years. They may have a lot of a/c on order but I dare say the majority of these deliveries are already allocated to new/existing routes which are more important than NCL. Also, NCL isn't that consistent, some months the loads are low 60's, some they are mid/high 80's (based on 428 seats a day). Yes, loads aren't the be all and end all but considering other routes which are more consistent, they will probably see any upgrade/additional services before NCL.
2) A380, again similar issues. They may have a lot on order but most will have probably been allocated by now and with Emirates saying they wish to have all N. American services A380, this could potentially take up 15-20 a/c per day. Then, just thinking about the UK alone, you're probably looking at LGW and MAN going all A380 as well as probably BHX and GLA going at least 1 A380 p/day before NCL is even considered. I just can't see it ever happening.
Norwegian - currently having major problems at LGW, especially long haul. Next year will be more of a consolidation year for them with few new (net) additions to the fleet. They couldn't make LPL work and are rumoured to be considering MAN but having their doubts. Can't see NCL happening any time soon.
Vueling - yes, they are expanding fast and have new a/c coming in all the time but they again aren't at many other big UK and European airports yet and easy jet are already on the route. They are starting MAN soon, so it's a possibility maybe in a few years but can't see it any time soon.
And then there's NY...I won't even start....
Plus, where are all these new routes coming from that would be 'perfect' from NCL on the 787/350? Who will operate them, which routes have the demand?
Don't get me wrong, I have always lived in the North East and have used NCL at least once a year all my life and am a big supporter of the airport, but I think people need to start appreciating what NCL actually has rather than turning the forum into constant debate about rumours/dreams that realistically probably aren't going to happen anytime soon...
There's my 2 cents for all it's worth!
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BCN will not support two airlines. The spotters may be happy seeing the grey and yellow brigade in town but all that will happen is that yields would become trash and the route would be at risk. This will put LOCAL jobs at risk if the other operator closes the route or worse, its NCL base.
Orlando is covered already. No way would a thrice weekly very seasonal service work from NCL.
Again Norwegian if any base ie significant non-based operation were to occur the locally based carriers would be harmed and when DY go bust NCL will be left with nothing.
I think people need to ask themselves what and why when they come up with suggestions. What the new airline would bring to a route and why they should do it. If it is to bring lower fares then that is no good for the longevity of a route or airline operation. Look at Murcia. It was flown perhaps 4/5 times a week between two airlines. Now look at it.
Please don't anyone mention the N word!
Orlando is covered already. No way would a thrice weekly very seasonal service work from NCL.
Again Norwegian if any base ie significant non-based operation were to occur the locally based carriers would be harmed and when DY go bust NCL will be left with nothing.
I think people need to ask themselves what and why when they come up with suggestions. What the new airline would bring to a route and why they should do it. If it is to bring lower fares then that is no good for the longevity of a route or airline operation. Look at Murcia. It was flown perhaps 4/5 times a week between two airlines. Now look at it.
Please don't anyone mention the N word!
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In terms of long haul, look at their on time performance from LGW the last two weeks. Many, many delays, with one I think even stretching to 48 hours and them not providing hotels for people - there's a long thread on airliners.net about their long haul 787 problems (actually quite an interesting read!)
In terms of short haul they seem to be doing well at Gatwick, but that's because the demand is there, it simply isn't at NCL
In terms of short haul they seem to be doing well at Gatwick, but that's because the demand is there, it simply isn't at NCL
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Guys let just appreciate what we have , we are a regional airport and im very proud to see my city on international destination boards ! EK will go 2 daily someday but until it happens just appreciate the fact we have a 777 in every day
In my opinion we should be looking at trying to get Thomson to maybe add Montego Bay sometime soon now the 787 has started , to add that extra long haul choice like at BHX MAN and LGW
or maybe Thomas Cook to do a LAS flight like at GLA ? Thats more likely to be acheivable in the short term for NCL longhaul
In my opinion we should be looking at trying to get Thomson to maybe add Montego Bay sometime soon now the 787 has started , to add that extra long haul choice like at BHX MAN and LGW
or maybe Thomas Cook to do a LAS flight like at GLA ? Thats more likely to be acheivable in the short term for NCL longhaul
I would like to see someone (?KLM) do NCL-Frankfurt as it sounds as though that is as big a hub as anywhere in Europe, including LHR.
Benefit that NCL has over airports such as BHX is that it has a connection to the UK hub (LHR) by it's principal airline - BA, and this somewhat reduces the demand for hubbing in FRA. Also, FRA is one of the less appealing airports to transfer through - I used to do it a lot so I know!
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Yes, you are correct that it would take business away from AMS and KLM's long haul flights but if not them anyone would do as long as they have reliable time keeping with connecting flights to catch.