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[FQTLSteve]

EasyJet tyres

Friends of mine were on EasyJet flight to AGP yesterday morning. Boarded, pushing back when ground crew spotted a flat tyre! They all disembarked and eventually departed about 100mins or so later. How did that happen?

[_ShIfTy_]

Puncture on push back.

[VentureGo]

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/default.aspx?root=1

United must be selling well to New York! - Apart from a few Friday departures (£470 - £860) most days are showing £1500 - £2800. I realise the higher fares of £2800 will be on days the service does not operate direct from NCL.
Does anyone have figures on how the bookings are performing? (Maybe they have sold out all economy class seats!
Can't see many peole booking at over £1200 when there are plenty of indirect options much cheaper.

[pallan]

I have never really seen that many cheap flight only seats available during the week since it went on sale.

What BA and others tend to do is only offer full fare flight only prices and sell off the cheap seats in flight and hotel packages. If you were to look at a package to NY on expedia for example, for 4 nights in NY departing 10th August, for a mid star hotel and direct flights from NCL it is around £1100 per person. Flight only for the same dates is £1260pp so MORE than a package!

So it could be selling well, or, all the cheap fare buckets have been bought up by Expedia and other travel companies for packages.

[HH6702]

ewr fares

Hi

Yes the prices have been high since the start which is good if they are selling
I last looked about a week ago at the first 6 weeks and loads look to be around 45% full.

Now I know people will say this isn't good but you haven't got the business people booking yet as too early they will be more last minute

Also what is the break even figures. .

AGAIN something we never know however there maybe a deal on cargo also which will also bring in money just like the Emirates flights








QUOTE=pallan;8935737]I have never really seen that many cheap flight only seats available during the week since it went on sale.

What BA and others tend to do is only offer full fare flight only prices and sell off the cheap seats in flight and hotel packages. If you were to look at a package to NY on expedia for example, for 4 nights in NY departing 10th August, for a mid star hotel and direct flights from NCL it is around £1100 per person. Flight only for the same dates is £1260pp so MORE than a package!

So it could be selling well, or, all the cheap fare buckets have been bought up by Expedia and other travel companies for packages.[/QUOTE]

[EK77WNCL]

The US carriers are supposed to be notorious for really good management of flight prices, especially United (although maybe not so much on their domestic flights where they just kind of dump seats into the market to get the competitors out) but I remember reading somewhere about a computer algorithm-y thingy at UA that looks at each individual flight and weighs up every last cost so that they can charge down to the cent the correct price to turn a profit...

With that in mind I'd be confident in saying anywhere from 50-60% LF's will be turning a profit for them

[CabinCrewe]

50% LF profitable. I wouldnt have thought so, cargo or otherwise, even with a full small Business First cabin (which again is unlikely) paying flexible full fare. Its going to have to be > than the now established industry wide 70%, all things taken into account including costs involved in setting up an international outstation. But its far to early to be hailing it a success based on a seat map lottery. Give it 6 months + to get a more accurate picture.

[ATNotts]

With that in mind I'd be confident in saying anywhere from 50-60% LF's will be turning a profit for them

You have got to be joking! If the front end isn't filled then that sort of load factor will result in the service lasting the season, and no more.

Look at US Airways and PHL-BHX. Loads were great, yields apparently less so, and the service last one season - and only the high summer season at that.

As usual, it's not load factor that drives a service it's yield.

As for cargo; on a 757 - forget it as a major revenue earner. it's a totally different animal to the B777.

[mockingjay]

It would not surprise me if most of the biz cabin is free upgrades to star gold/1k etc members. It's bums on seats but not ones at are going to make you any money as with a lot of US carriers. One of the reasons why the new AA A319s have just 8 F seats!

[GrahamK]

There's never been much of a Star presence at the NCL end, so I'd imagine there won't be too much in the way of Gold upgrades at this side of the pond anyway, the airport seems to be promoting the route heavily on social media which should hopefully help with the success of the route.

Profitable after one season though, not a chance

[ATNotts]

Profitable after one season though, not a chance

Inclined to agree. However the problem today is that the business world is so impatient for results that allowing a route a full 2 years to evolve just doesn't seem to cut the mustard anymore.

Still, UA (and CO before them) seem to have a better track record than most in giving routes a fair chance to perform.

[SWBKCB]

Airport chiefs welcome moves to cut air fares from Heathrow to Newcastle - Chronicle Live

Another move from LHR to get regional support for a 3rd runway.

[BAladdy]

Last August UA operated 2 757's daily from EDI to EWR with a average load factor of 83%. It will be interesting to see how the introduction of the NCL-EWR flight impacts on the loads on the EDI-EWR route.

[HH6702]

united

We will never know what the target loads are needed to make money.

However like any business not many will make money in the first year.
normally they make a loss year 1 breakeven in year 2 and make a profit in year 3!

If they were happy with sales as stated in the papers then I don't think we have anything to worry about. People are paying the higher fares to fly from local airport.
If the route wasn't selling it would have been pulled or flight prices massively reduced before now.
Remember thomsons pulled there new route after 2 months of it being on sale and people haven't moaned about that

I would say expected loads wise
Year 1 70%+
Year 2 80%+
Year 3 90%+ any daily flights

Airport and United won't be expecting high loads in year 1.........
also people will also be using up there air miles with other airlines first before swapping over

Let's just give the route a chance instead of the bashing of it before its started!!

[Joe Curry]

Last August UA operated 2 757's daily from EDI to EWR with a average load factor of 83%. It will be interesting to see how the introduction of the NCL-EWR flight impacts on the loads on the EDI-EWR route.

Or, how EDI-JFK and EDI-EWR impacts on the introduction of NCL-EWR?

[SWBKCB]

There's no show without punch...

UA will have their expectations for the route and doubt they'll be sharing them with anyone, so everything else is just guessing.

[BAladdy]

Or, how EDI-JFK and EDI-EWR impacts on the introduction of NCL-EWR?

I think EDI-JFK and the NCL-EWR will both impact on UA's EDI-EWR service.

[LiamNCL]

Lets see how it goes hopefully it performs well , Cant see why United would start something up they dont see meeting their first year expectation

[handler]

Hi Guys, I am looking for updated list "who handles who at NCL" any assistance very much appreciated.

[nclops]

At moment Aviator handle Easyjet, Eastern, Flybe, BMI regional and Onur Air. Everything else is handled by Swissport. Private jets and executive handling etc all go through Samson Aviation.