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Old 15th Jul 2014, 14:31
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Unfortunately that might explain some of it, but Jet2 and Thomson also had some decreases. Some were in the order of 2,000 pax over the month which I think the loss of 20 seats per flight, although it would build up, wouldn't have that much of an adverse effect.
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Old 15th Jul 2014, 14:58
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World Cup, Wimbledon, Glastonbury. Added to the capacity cuts from TCX it'd probably all add up to keep some people at home
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Old 15th Jul 2014, 17:58
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pax figures

Also not being able to take your children out of school without being fined will take effect on some of those routes.

Yes smaller planes by TCX also

Been some cheap deals around also during june so maybe people are holding back not having as much money
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Old 15th Jul 2014, 18:25
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Cheers, hopefully there might be a bit of a jump in July
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Presume the upturn at Edinburgh might affect the pax numbers.
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Old 15th Jul 2014, 21:08
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I hope not :/ what I did notice was that their new QR service carried 6703 pax for the month, there were 44 flights for June, about 152 pax per flight, which represents a load factor of 59.8%... compared to the first month of EK at NCL which carried approximately 159 pax per flight (9552 pax - 60 flights) which is between 57% and 71% load factor or 64% if you work out the mean... So basically without all the maths, EDI and NCL seem pretty much on par in terms of the first month of service, I do think that had EK been the first to EDI the numbers would have been closer to 10,000+ but anyway, that will be one to watch, and even moreso when EY start (QR will probably be daily by then too).

Who's next for NCL!?!?!
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 17:55
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Tks Marra.
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 18:39
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Thumbs down Newcastle.....no progress?

Looking from south of the river from a no hope airport....it strikes me that the only premier style airport in the north east has very little good news compared to other northern/Scottish airports??


Nothing really to shout about..no Frankfurt,Istanbul dare I say it New York! Or even anything other than the odd 'new' alicante route????

Come on guys someone pull there finger out or we will continue to be a desert in the aviation route world!!
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Old 16th Jul 2014, 18:47
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Maybe hope yet!

Newcastle Airport could get government aid after all - if EU agrees - The Journal

Newcastle Airport could get government aid after all - if EU agrees

Ministers are in talks with the European Commission about whether Newcastle Airport can be included in a £20m grant to introduce flights to the US

More confusion over whether Newcastle Airport was in line for a share of a £20 million fund to help it develop new routes followed a statement from Ministers that they must ask the European Commission for permission to hand over the cash.

Newcastle MP Chi Onwurah received assurances that the Government hoped to back Newcastle Airport, as she questioned Transport Ministers in the House of Commons.

But she said: “It would have been better to have got the policy right in the first place than trying to fix it now.”

It follows Chancellor George Osborne’s announcement in the Budget earlier this year that a £20 million Regional Air Connectivity Fund would be made available for airports outside the planned high speed rail network to help them attract airlines and launch new services.

This raised hopes Newcastle Airport could secure its long-held ambition of providing regular trans-Atlantic flights.

But it then emerged that only airports with less than three million annual passengers would be eligible for the assistance - while Newcastle currently serves around 4.7m each year.

The airport asked local MPs to help it secure a share of the fund.

And Ministers have now said they hope to ensure airports with fewer than five million passengers are included, but only if the EU agrees.

Speaking in the House of Commons, Ms Onwurah, MP for Newcastle upon Tyne Central, said: “Newcastle airport grew its freight from £20 million in 2006 to £250 million last year, mainly on the back of the new Dubai route, but because it attracts more than 3 million passengers per year, it cannot have access to the regional connectivity fund.

“So what is the Minister doing to bring new routes to Newcastle and improve the economy?”

Transport Minister Robert Goodwill told her: “I was pleased that the Chancellor announced the regional connectivity fund. When I was at Newcastle airport in February, there was excitement about that. It is also looking to serve further routes.

“Although the limitation is for airports of fewer than 3 million passengers, there is a provision under exceptional circumstances to allow airports such as Newcastle with fewer than 5 million passengers to participate.

“We are having conversations with the European Commission to ensure that we can do something and that we do not breach any state aid rules.”

Ms Onwurah said: “I thought he was desperately scrabbling to come up with a reasonable policy having realised that they made a mistake by excluding important regional airports like Newcastle from the means to help them grown.

“His reply was helpful but it would be much better if the scheme had been well thought through in the first place.”

The Commons Transport Committee has launched an inquiry into the role played by smaller airports.

It is to look at the strategic importance of smaller airports and the extent to which they meet the needs of regional economies.

The inquiry will also consider whether the Government is doing enough to support smaller airports.

And it will look at whether councils and local enterprise partnerships could do more to back smaller airports.

Written submissions can be provided to the inquiry by Friday 3 October 2014 through its website at www.parliament.uk/transcom .

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Agreed, short term (less than 3 years) Frankfurt, Istanbul and incremental increases from TCX/TOM/LS maybe EZY are the way to go. Within 5 years, EK 2nd daily, 1-2 more EU routes. 10 years, New York.

Easier said than done though
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 18:54
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New Jet2 routes for summer 2015, on sale now

Antalya, Larnaca, Malta and Zakynthos are the latest destinations to be added to the Jet2 route network from Newcastle next summer. Can be booked from today. Good news for NCL and Jet2.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 20:02
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jet2 new routes

Hurray!!!!

Its about time they put these routes on sale as they were in the jet2 holidays summer sun brochure for 2015 which went on sale in MAY!!

Well done to both Jet2 and airport!

Let's hope the EU agree for that funding

Looks like NCL lost out to BFS for the summer 2015 long haul virgin flights I know NCL were in talks with virgin
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 21:01
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For example (unrelated) I know that fluctuations in the timing of easter can cause March and April to have peaks on certain years but I'm confused with June...
June and July holiday figures are down because of the Michael Gove School Tax among other things
If you have two or more 7-14 year old school kids £100 each in truancy levy adds up !

No parent with any sense would drag a 15/16 year old or A Level student out but lower years its hardly the crime of the century !
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 22:04
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Sure I saw Kefalonia from NCL on the Jet2holidays website the other day, ah well still good news!

And yeah, I lost out on an extra week in Rhodes because of being 16. Well, more because they didn't release the timetables until May, and it turns out we could have gone. Jk (partly)
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 22:22
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Still no sign of the increased frequencies to HER, TFS, DLM. Anyone any ideas when they might come about? Crete and Tenerife are generally two of my favourite spots and a Friday offering to HER would be fantastic as TOM recently moved from Thurs to an awfully timed Tuesday flight
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 19:58
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Looks like NCL lost out to BFS for the summer 2015 long haul virgin flights. I know NCL were in talks with Virgin.
Would the runway length at NCL be long enough for a fully loaded 747 to take off to Orlando without a fuel stop?
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 20:34
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If Virgin were to operate from Newcastle they would most likely use an A330 rather than a 747 to Orlando.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 21:36
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a 747 wouldn't need to be "fully loaded" for NCL to MCO, but a 2400m runway at NCL is pushing it a bit so could have been an issue.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 22:41
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If Virgin were to operate from Newcastle they would most likely use an A330 rather than a 747 to Orlando.
Thing is the leisure A330s have been reconfigured to be more premium heavy in line with the LHR based fleet, so they have way too much Upper Class for a NCL operation IMHO.
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Old 20th Jul 2014, 09:31
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Speaking of Florida, Thomson begin 788 ops tomorrow. It looks like G-TUID will position in from BHX to operate the first flights. Cancun will now be operated nonstop as well
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