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And DA51T, used when they used to spend endless hours driving a 737 or similar round the circuit.
Thinking about the DA89XX, something is telling me they used different numbers for different types? I definitely remember DA79XX and DA99XX being used. Might just have been if they had two or three positioning flights in the air at the same time though.
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Don't get me wrong... But:
- Great news about TOM to SKG, but in actual fact:
--- There is no net increase as it is a simple swap of the Thursday morning FAO rotation that is being dropped
--- WHY do airlines insist on doing this, Jet2 got there first, so naturally TOM jumps onboard as well. How well did that go in Funchal? (Granted, that was LS jumping on TOM's turf - but they still lost) and how well did that go for TCX in Almeria? TCX in Paphos?
Why didn't Thomson go for Mykonos instead? Unserved and more high end. Right up their street
I hope to GOD that Naples is not announced for summer 2018 with easyJet, Ryanair, Jet2 or whoever it may be. Thomson has literally just doubled capacity on NCL-NAP... I for one, don't want that compromised
Rome, maybe. I think that could support a LCC as well as LS. Say 2/3 FR to Ciampino
- Great news about TOM to SKG, but in actual fact:
--- There is no net increase as it is a simple swap of the Thursday morning FAO rotation that is being dropped
--- WHY do airlines insist on doing this, Jet2 got there first, so naturally TOM jumps onboard as well. How well did that go in Funchal? (Granted, that was LS jumping on TOM's turf - but they still lost) and how well did that go for TCX in Almeria? TCX in Paphos?
Why didn't Thomson go for Mykonos instead? Unserved and more high end. Right up their street
I hope to GOD that Naples is not announced for summer 2018 with easyJet, Ryanair, Jet2 or whoever it may be. Thomson has literally just doubled capacity on NCL-NAP... I for one, don't want that compromised
Rome, maybe. I think that could support a LCC as well as LS. Say 2/3 FR to Ciampino
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And DA51T, used when they used to spend endless hours driving a 737 or similar round the circuit.
Thinking about the DA89XX, something is telling me they used different numbers for different types? I definitely remember DA79XX and DA99XX being used. Might just have been if they had two or three positioning flights in the air at the same time though.
Thinking about the DA89XX, something is telling me they used different numbers for different types? I definitely remember DA79XX and DA99XX being used. Might just have been if they had two or three positioning flights in the air at the same time though.
On SKG given the capacity on FAO now probably a decent move. PMI seems to be down to 3 TUI flights so perhaps Ryanair have had an impact on them. SKG was a route that was served from NCL from the 80's until Thomson dropped it a few years ago. There is a quite an impressive Family Life hotel there amongst others so it's probably got much wider appeal than Mykonos. I considerd flying from EMA or MAN in the past couple of years to get there but settled for the geordie staple of Spain! NB Paramount MD83's did SKG in the good old 80's and Dan air may have done it one year........
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Of Dan Airs 737-200s DE was one of 2 dash 17A powered aircraft which were the most effective to use from a shortish runway in the north of England. Why out of the 2 DE was used in NCL and DF mostly in Berlin I don't know.
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July stats finally out:
Brussels: 2175 +25%
Paris CDG 13295 +12pax
Berlin 3836
Dusseldorf: 4992 +26%
Cork 1140 -40%
Dublin 23649 +21%
Rome 2553 +1%
Amsterdam 33418 +4%
Madrid 3194
Stavanger 1317 +47%
Prague 2481 +1%
Gdansk 3083
Krakow 2574 +1%
Warsaw 2672
Wroclaw 3064
Dubai 22150 +3%
612869 pax in July, up 8%.
Rolling 12 months: 5,137,035. +10.6%
Brussels: 2175 +25%
Paris CDG 13295 +12pax
Berlin 3836
Dusseldorf: 4992 +26%
Cork 1140 -40%
Dublin 23649 +21%
Rome 2553 +1%
Amsterdam 33418 +4%
Madrid 3194
Stavanger 1317 +47%
Prague 2481 +1%
Gdansk 3083
Krakow 2574 +1%
Warsaw 2672
Wroclaw 3064
Dubai 22150 +3%
612869 pax in July, up 8%.
Rolling 12 months: 5,137,035. +10.6%
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Of Dan Airs 737-200s DE was one of 2 dash 17A powered aircraft which were the most effective to use from a shortish runway in the north of England. Why out of the 2 DE was used in NCL and DF mostly in Berlin I don't know.
Lovely memories, 1st airframe I got 1000 hours in.
Lovely memories, 1st airframe I got 1000 hours in.
Now for the other questions I have.....
NB inoban was tongue in cheek - genuine disappointment that it wasn't dan air related!
Why didn't Thomson go for Mykonos instead? Unserved and more high end. Right up their street
I hope to GOD that Naples is not announced for summer 2018 with easyJet, Ryanair, Jet2 or whoever it may be. Thomson has literally just doubled capacity on NCL-NAP... I for one, don't want that compromised
I hope to GOD that Naples is not announced for summer 2018 with easyJet, Ryanair, Jet2 or whoever it may be. Thomson has literally just doubled capacity on NCL-NAP... I for one, don't want that compromised
And on the Dan 737s - I'm sure it was to do with performance. I thought BMDF used to have better weights or engines than BLDE (and BJXJ before it went to Britannia) so could do Berlin/Tenerife non-stop which the others couldn't. I can't immediately find anything on-line prove that but DF definitely spent most of its time in Berlin and was rarely seen in the UK and DE (usually accompanied by 727 G-BAJW) spent most of the time in Newcastle. DF also had the unusual distinction of operating for almost a year with a -15 engine on one side and a -17 on the other though. Never seen that before or since.
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Very close (+/- 10,000 pax) to record monthy pax numbers that we hit in 2007. If we get any expansion announced for next year, we could be on to 2018 being a record year.
6 million isn't looking as unattainable as it might have over the last few years. I reckon its within 12/18 months of us proving we see some expansion
6 million isn't looking as unattainable as it might have over the last few years. I reckon its within 12/18 months of us proving we see some expansion
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We are very seasonal though, yes we can get 500,000+ May-September, and 600,000 in July and August, but outside of that we barely scrape 250-300,000.
If growth remains the same, we could then look at hitting 500,000 reliably through April and October and hitting above 300,000 in the weakest months, January, February and November. With this, 650-700,000 could be attainable in July and August.
5 months - 500,000+
5 months - 300,000+
2 months - 600,000+
Would give us an absolute minimum of 5.5 million.
I have been on night shift and had too much time on my hands... So I sat and did this last night. Obviously it's very rough, but if growth remains at 12% we'll hit 6 million in 2018
01/17 - 280,200 (+16.8%) 01/18 - ? 314,328
02/17 - 287,609 (+12.3%) 02/18 - ? 322,639
03/17 - 334,553 (+11.2%) 03/18 - ? 375,301
04/17 - 407,599 (+18.0%) 04/18 - ? 457,245
05/17 - 510,342 (+13.1%) 05/18 - ? 572,501
06/17 - 587,953 (+10.8%) 06/18 - ? 659,566
07/17 - 618,365 (+15.1%) 07/18 - ? 693,681
08/17 - 624,233 (+7.30%) 08/18 - ? 700,264
09/16 - 534,516 (+7.00%) 09/17 - ? 599,620 -> 09/18 - 672,654
10/16 - 444,660 (+6.30%) 10/17 - ? 498,819 -> 10/18 - 559,575
11/16 - 296,167 (+9.80%) 11/17 - ? 332,240 -> 11/18 - 372,703
12/16 - 305,842 (+18.4%) 12/17 - ? 343,094 -> 12/18 - 384,883
(Avg % increase 12.18%)
Total (12 month rolling) - 5,232,039 --- 2017 estimate - 5,424,627
2018 estimate: 6,085,340 (based on 12.18% growth, 2016-2017, 2017-2018)
For this to happen though, we'd need equivalent growth from last year. So realistically we're talking about needing 3/4 new year round FR/EZY routes (x2 or more weekly) as well as 2 or more high frequency summer routes (x4 weekly - Daily)
Alternatively, but less likely, a 4th based EZY frame, or an 8th 737 from Jet2 would likely achieve the same
All we can do is wait... But it's fun to speculate
If growth remains the same, we could then look at hitting 500,000 reliably through April and October and hitting above 300,000 in the weakest months, January, February and November. With this, 650-700,000 could be attainable in July and August.
5 months - 500,000+
5 months - 300,000+
2 months - 600,000+
Would give us an absolute minimum of 5.5 million.
I have been on night shift and had too much time on my hands... So I sat and did this last night. Obviously it's very rough, but if growth remains at 12% we'll hit 6 million in 2018
01/17 - 280,200 (+16.8%) 01/18 - ? 314,328
02/17 - 287,609 (+12.3%) 02/18 - ? 322,639
03/17 - 334,553 (+11.2%) 03/18 - ? 375,301
04/17 - 407,599 (+18.0%) 04/18 - ? 457,245
05/17 - 510,342 (+13.1%) 05/18 - ? 572,501
06/17 - 587,953 (+10.8%) 06/18 - ? 659,566
07/17 - 618,365 (+15.1%) 07/18 - ? 693,681
08/17 - 624,233 (+7.30%) 08/18 - ? 700,264
09/16 - 534,516 (+7.00%) 09/17 - ? 599,620 -> 09/18 - 672,654
10/16 - 444,660 (+6.30%) 10/17 - ? 498,819 -> 10/18 - 559,575
11/16 - 296,167 (+9.80%) 11/17 - ? 332,240 -> 11/18 - 372,703
12/16 - 305,842 (+18.4%) 12/17 - ? 343,094 -> 12/18 - 384,883
(Avg % increase 12.18%)
Total (12 month rolling) - 5,232,039 --- 2017 estimate - 5,424,627
2018 estimate: 6,085,340 (based on 12.18% growth, 2016-2017, 2017-2018)
For this to happen though, we'd need equivalent growth from last year. So realistically we're talking about needing 3/4 new year round FR/EZY routes (x2 or more weekly) as well as 2 or more high frequency summer routes (x4 weekly - Daily)
Alternatively, but less likely, a 4th based EZY frame, or an 8th 737 from Jet2 would likely achieve the same
All we can do is wait... But it's fun to speculate
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