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No disresepct to those who have lost their jobs, but I dont think they brought anything particularly special to the Scottish market. Most destinations were already or are currently served by other airlines. Their prices were far from low cost and when I used them always had an air of the amateur. Routes announced and dropped, double drops and frequency changes. I switched in recent times to slightly more reliable airlines, and apart from the Tenerifes and SSH's so did a lot of others. The hayday prophacies of mutliple city destinations and worldwide networks were never going to come to fruition, and a portakabin miles from Toronto was as good as it got. Nope, sorry, terrible time of year etc, but no great loss.
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Louie - Yes-we all know very well the "impending reason" - to destroy the Christmas of many of the BA regular customers - me included -who from now on will never fly BA again.
Back on topic - GSM were great for the scottish travelling public and such a disgrace that they have gone the way they have....still never fear....BA offer lots of "feeders" into the den of Heathrow...but nothing else from Glasgow/Edinburgh.....
Back on topic - GSM were great for the scottish travelling public and such a disgrace that they have gone the way they have....still never fear....BA offer lots of "feeders" into the den of Heathrow...but nothing else from Glasgow/Edinburgh.....
How many short haul aircraft did Globespan base in Glasgow? In the last two days, both Ryanair and Thomas Cook have added extra aircraft to their Glasgow bases. It would be interesting to see what % of Globespan's lost capacity is covered by this.
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Cabincrewe, with all due respect, I'd hardly call Hamilton Airport a portacabin! And yes, it may be some distance away from Toronto but not everyone who flies into Toronto is actually going to Toronto. The airport may be much smaller than Toronto Pearson but flying into Hamilton is more convenient for those going to Burlington, Hamilton, St Catherine's, Niagara among many other places. Given a choice I would much rather fly into a smaller airport such as Hamilton because I usually find that I am in and out of such airports much faster.
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James170969, I agree with you 100%. YHM is a far better option to those who's destination is south of Lake Ontario. GSM had a great product in that route.
Cabincrewe, I don't believe you know anything about the Scottish market, as you are based in Bristol!! For Edinburgh, there are no other airlines that fly to PFO, FNC, SSH, etc year round. We have lost a huge asset.
If Easyjet have any sense they will base an A320 in EDI to pick up the obvious demand that there is from EDI. TOM & TCX seem to be blinkered to serving Glasgow only. Very foolish in my opinion, as there is a lot of money to be made at EDI. If you need evidence, just look at the CAA route stats for the above routes that were served only by GSM from EDI.
Cabincrewe, I don't believe you know anything about the Scottish market, as you are based in Bristol!! For Edinburgh, there are no other airlines that fly to PFO, FNC, SSH, etc year round. We have lost a huge asset.
If Easyjet have any sense they will base an A320 in EDI to pick up the obvious demand that there is from EDI. TOM & TCX seem to be blinkered to serving Glasgow only. Very foolish in my opinion, as there is a lot of money to be made at EDI. If you need evidence, just look at the CAA route stats for the above routes that were served only by GSM from EDI.
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CABINCREWE...
So 'no great loss', eh????
Try telling that to the 800 staff who only have a coupla pennies to rub together this christmas. Are you going to feed my daughter?
Why don't you think before you actually type. 'No disrespect to the ex-GSM staff??'
Possibly the most disrespectful thing I've read/heard since tuesday.
So 'no great loss', eh????
Try telling that to the 800 staff who only have a coupla pennies to rub together this christmas. Are you going to feed my daughter?
Why don't you think before you actually type. 'No disrespect to the ex-GSM staff??'
Possibly the most disrespectful thing I've read/heard since tuesday.
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I agree totally with your sentiment, my lost post telling someone what I thought was removed, rightfully so by the moderators.
Lets say my language was colourful.
Cabicrewe, you say "no great loss"
On the 16th of December I found out that I had no job, no regular source of income and a christmas that was not going to be the easiest.
The only bonus was that the majority of the christmas shopping was complete.
My mum has agreed to pay for the last two presents that had been put away.
Some may say I should have not got those last two presents but it was their main presents and I would have lost the deposits.
And they are my kids.
I have not yet bought the present for my better half, she has said I don't need to and she can wait till times are good again.
This has brought tears to my eyes more than once.
On Wednesday night both my eldest daughter and my mrs were in tears.
The daughter insisted that her expensive christmas present should be returned and we could use that money to pay the mortgage/buy food etc.
I can not express how humble, proud, upset, and even inadequate (because I did not have a job, it was they who reassured me that it was not my fault) I felt.
Yesterday instead of getting paid a pilots salary, I signed on for the first time in my life.
The experience was not as bad as i thought, mainly due to a very pleasant and sympathetic fellow sat across the desk. But was emotionally quite hurtful, as I'm sure 600 of my colleagues can testify.
Globespan had it's faults, but the staff who worked there, were some of the finest people I have had the pleasure to work with.
We all did the best we could to get the job done, sometimes despite things beyond our control.
As for the future of flights out of Scotland, there is a few unique routes to fill, as for the portacabin in Hamilton.
It was a pleasure to pass through that airport. In and out for pax and crew alike with very little congestion.
And as others have said not everybody is going to Toronto itself.
So next time Cabincrewe think before you post, there are 600 people who have a very uncertain future, and countless thousands of passengers who have had plans and holidays spoilt.
CMO
I agree totally with your sentiment, my lost post telling someone what I thought was removed, rightfully so by the moderators.
Lets say my language was colourful.
Cabicrewe, you say "no great loss"
On the 16th of December I found out that I had no job, no regular source of income and a christmas that was not going to be the easiest.
The only bonus was that the majority of the christmas shopping was complete.
My mum has agreed to pay for the last two presents that had been put away.
Some may say I should have not got those last two presents but it was their main presents and I would have lost the deposits.
And they are my kids.
I have not yet bought the present for my better half, she has said I don't need to and she can wait till times are good again.
This has brought tears to my eyes more than once.
On Wednesday night both my eldest daughter and my mrs were in tears.
The daughter insisted that her expensive christmas present should be returned and we could use that money to pay the mortgage/buy food etc.
I can not express how humble, proud, upset, and even inadequate (because I did not have a job, it was they who reassured me that it was not my fault) I felt.
Yesterday instead of getting paid a pilots salary, I signed on for the first time in my life.
The experience was not as bad as i thought, mainly due to a very pleasant and sympathetic fellow sat across the desk. But was emotionally quite hurtful, as I'm sure 600 of my colleagues can testify.
Globespan had it's faults, but the staff who worked there, were some of the finest people I have had the pleasure to work with.
We all did the best we could to get the job done, sometimes despite things beyond our control.
As for the future of flights out of Scotland, there is a few unique routes to fill, as for the portacabin in Hamilton.
It was a pleasure to pass through that airport. In and out for pax and crew alike with very little congestion.
And as others have said not everybody is going to Toronto itself.
So next time Cabincrewe think before you post, there are 600 people who have a very uncertain future, and countless thousands of passengers who have had plans and holidays spoilt.
CMO
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Its always easier to blame someone else
I have no idea what part E-Clear played in the downfall of Globespan, if any? no doubt some will blame Paddy power or the Icelandic wet lease, sadly it is a national trait north of the border to look elsewhere when it comes to the blame game
Globespan was badly run and had a flawed business model, it failed to address the volumes of complaints that resulted in some of the worst ever postings on Airline quality ratings, to be fair most of these effected the longhaul market.
There are also the reports from crews who were forced to try and evade US work permits by traveling as pax then re checking in as pax and changing on board and many other iffy dodges and of course non compliances with AOC requirement resulting in loss of ETOP's, FD flying out then sitting in the cabin on the way back doing 17+ hour days before a couple of hours drive home in some cases
I am not sure if TD was swept up by the SNP "tiger economy bollocks" that we all know to be just that.
Will it be missed, well yes by the people who depended on it for their income, will it stop people in Scotland having holidays, er no.
One area that does need addressing for the industry as a whole is the repatriation of crews stranded abroad, many cabin crew (BA aside!!) earn a pitance and live almost hand to mouth just to pay their mobile phone bill.
It should be required in law that all UK employed crew should be brought back home and any hotel costs & travel costs paid from ATOL funds, this should only apply to UK reg airlines of course, ATOL should have first call on any funds remaining after wages and before banks
Globespan was badly run and had a flawed business model, it failed to address the volumes of complaints that resulted in some of the worst ever postings on Airline quality ratings, to be fair most of these effected the longhaul market.
There are also the reports from crews who were forced to try and evade US work permits by traveling as pax then re checking in as pax and changing on board and many other iffy dodges and of course non compliances with AOC requirement resulting in loss of ETOP's, FD flying out then sitting in the cabin on the way back doing 17+ hour days before a couple of hours drive home in some cases
I am not sure if TD was swept up by the SNP "tiger economy bollocks" that we all know to be just that.
Will it be missed, well yes by the people who depended on it for their income, will it stop people in Scotland having holidays, er no.
One area that does need addressing for the industry as a whole is the repatriation of crews stranded abroad, many cabin crew (BA aside!!) earn a pitance and live almost hand to mouth just to pay their mobile phone bill.
It should be required in law that all UK employed crew should be brought back home and any hotel costs & travel costs paid from ATOL funds, this should only apply to UK reg airlines of course, ATOL should have first call on any funds remaining after wages and before banks
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My mate who worked for GSM informed me Easyjet have offered the cabin crew interviews straight away for Lgw Man Lpl . Not much use to Gla crew but a lot were not based in Gla so a bit of hope for some..
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" THAT WEBSITE IS A SCAM"
Sir i rest my case
I suggest you read the postings for other Airline on that site, i think it reflects what the public feel, have a look at Jet2 or bmibaby?
Sir i rest my case
I suggest you read the postings for other Airline on that site, i think it reflects what the public feel, have a look at Jet2 or bmibaby?
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Have you ever tried giving GSM a good write-up on it? Somehow your input never seems to make the website, strange that, given that so many negative stories seem to get on with no problem what so ever.
Did you know for isntance that they e-mail airlines asking for money in return for allowing good feedback? No? Didn't think so.
Did you know for isntance that they e-mail airlines asking for money in return for allowing good feedback? No? Didn't think so.
Has it occurred to you that maybe there was very little positive that anyone had to say about GSM? Everything I've ever heard about the way the operation was run was negative, and the attitude of the company (I'm not talking about employees) to its customers was one of contempt. This is based on feedback from passengers, and from within the industry.
I have contributed a lot to airlinequality.com and whilst there is some rubbish on there, I think it fairly reflects public opinion, not that that is necessarily of much value. My comments about many airlines have nearly always been posted, whether positive or negative, without amendment.
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My mother in law was speaking to someone she knows on Thursday. They'd been out on holiday in SSH and had a real nice time. They couldn't remember the name of the company but knew it was Scottish based, and that they'd reccomend it to anyone. When she asked, "was it Globespan" they said that's right. To which my ma-in-law had to tell them they wouldn't be able to repeat the experience.
So Cabincrew etc, they will be missed, and not just by the hard workers.
And to those who have helped helping the GSM crews get back home, I thank you
So Cabincrew etc, they will be missed, and not just by the hard workers.
And to those who have helped helping the GSM crews get back home, I thank you
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I was a GSM passenger for 6.5 years and flew the same route every month sometimes twice per month. I never had cause to complain, received excellent service, and always got a smile on boarding and through cabin service.......
I have so many memories that bring a smile to my face. I can honestly say that only once was the flight more than one hour delayed and that was when a major snow front hit Glasgow airport March 2006 (i think) we were delayed 22 hours and all available to eat was wine gums and coffee. The police had shut duty free for some reason!!
Not only did I get home but the majority of the other airlines CANCELLED their flights. It looked like there was going to be a riot!!
Never have I been so thankful to fly GSM.
Re the excellent response of the above GSM pilot, you will always get people who like to take a pop at you when you are down. These are sad people with sad lives with too much time on their hands.
I have so many memories that bring a smile to my face. I can honestly say that only once was the flight more than one hour delayed and that was when a major snow front hit Glasgow airport March 2006 (i think) we were delayed 22 hours and all available to eat was wine gums and coffee. The police had shut duty free for some reason!!
Not only did I get home but the majority of the other airlines CANCELLED their flights. It looked like there was going to be a riot!!
Never have I been so thankful to fly GSM.
Re the excellent response of the above GSM pilot, you will always get people who like to take a pop at you when you are down. These are sad people with sad lives with too much time on their hands.
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Did you know for isntance that they e-mail airlines asking for money in return for allowing good feedback? No? Didn't think so.
Gaz
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I have a letter from Globespan written in reply from correspondence from my dad in protest at Globespan moving Toronto ops from Prestwick to Glasgow after the last Air Transat flight of the season in Oct-1991. It says word for word, "it only takes one bad season to ruin a carriers repuation forever and we cannot afford to take the commercial risk" ( on staying at PIK when all else went to GLA. )
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Perhaps your reasoning is tainted by bad experiences
The spin that ACMI was money making was revealled to be be that ACMI was breaking even as Scottish scheduled flying contracted further. They even gave up on Canada which is not exactly a small market.
Finally and abilty to find the front page by having your ETOPS clearance removed does not engender people to book with you. Was no one in commmercial or operational control at Collinton?
Doesn't matter how many nice people work there if you have no one in clear control with a working strategy. That's the harsh truth.
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As an aside Allbury Travel Group ceased traiding today - See BBC News website. Libra Holidays, Argo Holidays & Jetlife
Guess which Credit Card Clearing Company they were using!!
Guess which Credit Card Clearing Company they were using!!
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Infact I don't think i've ever read anything bad about their staff, except for the management.
It is a fact of life that people are always more vocal about bad experiences than good ones, which is why a bad airline will appear to be significantly worse than its mediocre competitors. GSM was a bad airline by many criteria.
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Re: Allbury Travel
And do a search for who owns Allbury Ltd...... all begins to make sense, I wish all at GSM and Allbury the very best of luck in the future, am sure everyone will bounce back quickly.
And do a search for who owns Allbury Ltd...... all begins to make sense, I wish all at GSM and Allbury the very best of luck in the future, am sure everyone will bounce back quickly.
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Well Capetonian does that "serious" allegation have any truth in it?
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Have you ever tried giving GSM a good write-up on it? Somehow your input never seems to make the website, strange that, given that so many negative stories seem to get on with no problem what so ever.
Did you know for isntance that they e-mail airlines asking for money in return for allowing good feedback? No? Didn't think so.
That's a very serious allegation, GLAGAZ, probably libellous and certainly one you should not be making unless you are able to substantiate it.
Has it occurred to you that maybe there was very little positive that anyone had to say about GSM? Everything I've ever heard about the way the operation was run was negative, and the attitude of the company (I'm not talking about employees) to its customers was one of contempt. This is based on feedback from passengers, and from within the industry.
I have contributed a lot to airlinequality.com and whilst there is some rubbish on there, I think it fairly reflects public opinion, not that that is necessarily of much value. My comments about many airlines have nearly always been posted, whether positive or negative, without amendment.
You answer it by making a veiled threat rather than giving it a stright NO answer, Why?
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Have you ever tried giving GSM a good write-up on it? Somehow your input never seems to make the website, strange that, given that so many negative stories seem to get on with no problem what so ever.
Did you know for isntance that they e-mail airlines asking for money in return for allowing good feedback? No? Didn't think so.
That's a very serious allegation, GLAGAZ, probably libellous and certainly one you should not be making unless you are able to substantiate it.
Has it occurred to you that maybe there was very little positive that anyone had to say about GSM? Everything I've ever heard about the way the operation was run was negative, and the attitude of the company (I'm not talking about employees) to its customers was one of contempt. This is based on feedback from passengers, and from within the industry.
I have contributed a lot to airlinequality.com and whilst there is some rubbish on there, I think it fairly reflects public opinion, not that that is necessarily of much value. My comments about many airlines have nearly always been posted, whether positive or negative, without amendment.
You answer it by making a veiled threat rather than giving it a stright NO answer, Why?
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Ok, Capetonian. Just for the record, over the last five years say, how often did you fly with GSM? What sectors? Summer and winter schedules? Come on 'fess up.
Please tell us you actually flew more than once. Please tell us you have more to substantiate your erroneous claims.
GSM was a great airline. Period.
I'm waiting......or are you just one of those sad people that kick people when they are down? Can you name any of the CC or pilots?
Please tell us you actually flew more than once. Please tell us you have more to substantiate your erroneous claims.
GSM was a great airline. Period.
I'm waiting......or are you just one of those sad people that kick people when they are down? Can you name any of the CC or pilots?
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Its a shame there was no scottish or british company who were less dodgy willing to invest in GSM well the airline anyway the rest of the group was more a drain except Alba which could have been amking large profits with better management.
Would have been good to see them grow into an airline of about 30/ac serving many areas
This rumour of Viking to me looks as if they just want the license GSM had and run which is just such a shame. Would have been great for a last minute buyer, possibly not one dictating man who was to proud of being a sole owner to fessing up for more investment.
Would have been good to see them grow into an airline of about 30/ac serving many areas
This rumour of Viking to me looks as if they just want the license GSM had and run which is just such a shame. Would have been great for a last minute buyer, possibly not one dictating man who was to proud of being a sole owner to fessing up for more investment.