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Old 17th Oct 2016, 20:22
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there might be the odd one that thinks they will
"Odd" being the apt word!
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 20:40
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 23:49
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Moving an airport just a short distance can more than triple the passenger throughput.
Since you have made such an extraordinary claim, perhaps you could back it up with some empirical evidence?
The move from Glasgow-Renfrew to Glasgow-Abbotsinch in the 1960s?
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 08:34
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Nutts Corner to Aldergrove, also in the 1960s
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 11:42
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Ayr/Heathfield to Prestwick?

or:

Trebelzue to St. Mawgan aka Newquay?
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Old 13th Nov 2016, 09:38
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Yeah LBA was in LVP'S this moring and has been on several occasions over the past week.

I can't see what you problem is as everything has landed, Okay the was a few cancellations Wednesday morning whilst the airport was Snow Closed for 3 hours.

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Old 13th Nov 2016, 09:39
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Oh do keep up LA..The man from Church Fenton has bought it for housing, amongst other things..
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Old 13th Nov 2016, 12:38
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Well LA is back after such a long time away he is lucky to be alive you know after his in-growing toe nail operation plus it's Sunday and his favourite meal of Fish n Chips await!

Everyone is 'not' looking forward to his consistent posts regarding CF as they tend to be the same every time pushing an agenda which know one really cares about except him.
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Old 13th Nov 2016, 13:29
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I would much prefer if the CF circuit were full of Jet Provosts or even Provosts but I can`t remember them.

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Old 13th Nov 2016, 14:12
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LBA is an airport that has done an incredible job expanding over the past few years. But it can not go on for much longer. The runway is dreadful, terminal (check-in, passenger waiting, baggage handling and boarding facilities) is farcical and you brave the traffic on the "bigger" road or wind your way through country lanes and residential roads to keep the wheels turning (unless of course your come from Pool) to get to the place. The topography of nearby land and runway direction regularly place operational limits on the aircraft using the place. So I'm suggesting it has got as far as it is going to go. It might be able to handle a few more people, but not much.

It is an airport designed to serve the people of Leeds and Bradford and the surrounding areas. And it does that well for holidays but for people who want a bit more, you will have to fly to a hub or fly from another airport. You should not expect much more. To jump to the next level means proper access, proper parking, a proper terminal and flatter, smoother runway that points in the right direction. Making a business case to an operator to start an additional service with the current offering will be difficult.

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Old 13th Nov 2016, 14:34
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That rules CF out then as the runway isn`t even long enough and doesn`t the approach/take off pass
right over the village unless you use runway 14 which is wrong for the winds

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Old 13th Nov 2016, 14:57
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I think you are right. A huge amount of work would have to be done make Church Fenton useful. You really need 2,300 M of runway. And then you have to build an airport... and some roads. You will also probably have to buy the all the houses that so that you don't get noise complaints. And so on...

Nice idea but (very) deep pockets would be required.

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Old 13th Nov 2016, 20:51
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Re #2814

Not as difficult as making the case for a new airport!

But a full length taxiway at the Horsforth end plus a greatly improved terminal building plus more aircraft stands would improve peak capacity. I think the future for LBA is more of th same and incremental improvements to deliver that. That's its natural role in the hierarchy until/unless Leeds becomes number two city in England.
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Old 14th Nov 2016, 07:57
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Piltdown Man has hit the nail firmly on the head..LBA is what it always was, a local airport for the Leeds/Bradford and surrounding areas and a nice place to start and finish your holidays with a couple of international connections bolted on. That is what it is good at and I suspect that`s how the owners intend to keep it and no doubt it suits those with aircraft based there to boot..

For all the rest of world travel there`s Manchester, an hours train ride from Leeds, which is pretty much how most of the catchment area perceive it to be.
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Old 14th Nov 2016, 10:16
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For all the rest of the world there is a one stop connection, through London, Amsterdam or Dublin. Get a STAR link in to somewhere and the place would have a pretty good offer.

The one hour train ride from Leeds may be insignificant for somebody off for two weeks hols in Florida, but I suspect is important when it comes to foreign businesses looking to invest in the north.
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Old 15th Nov 2016, 08:16
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A potential investor arrives...

...but I suspect is important when it comes to foreign businesses looking to invest in the north.
Any potential investors will have an easy ride from virtually anywhere in the world; until a few miles from touchdown. Then the fun starts and it carries on until you are at your final destination. If the turbulence doesn't get them then the rough runway will. And they walk off the plane possibly onto a clapped out dirty airbridge, though a series of modifications, extensions, and add-ons to the immigration desks. They could well wait here for ages, depending on who arrived before them. And this is the first time they might get a smile. At least Border Force and Special Branch are a pretty pleasant bunch. They then wait in a tiny, tired baggage reclaim centre by clapped out baggage baggage belts and hear the loaders puffing and grunting as they load the belts. Out through customs into a tiny meet and greet and then more fun. They might be privileged to wait a bloody age for a bus to the hire car stop or take their lives in their hand and take ride in a dirty cab, wiping their feet as they get out. But if they are really lucky, they will be met by someone and won't believe the price they pay to leave the car park. And then into Leeds traffic...

Tell me, what impression will LBA have just made on this person?

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Old 15th Nov 2016, 08:55
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On the other hand the story for Leeds origin passengers is--- for a business trip coming back from Paris or Amsterdam, hand baggage, a brisk leg stretch airside, a three minute walk landside within the building, get your mate to pick you up at the Travelodge, five minutes walk down the road hopefully not in the rain, you can be in Leeds centre 45 mins after walking down the aircraft steps. A darn sight better than the big airport experience! Last time I went to MAN, an airport I like, it was an hour from getting off the plane to driving out of the car park.

I do agree the LBA terminal building could do with razing to the ground. But for better or worse this is a commercial game and Bridgepoint have to justify their investments against the projected revenue streams. With Jet2 and Ryanair as their main customers it's never going to be easy.
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Old 15th Nov 2016, 09:59
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anothertyke: Yes, you are totally correct. Small airports offer a certain convenience for their passengers. In fact when it comes to convenience, smaller is better and possibly with a few exceptions, big airports are a pain in the bum. Try LHR - my record taxiing there is 50 minutes. The walk to the reclaim can take the same amount of time. Then how do you escape? Slowly and cheaply or a little quicker and get ripped off?

But in too many ways, LBA is like every other British airport. They are not properly managed. This can be seen by chronic under-investment in both time and money. There is no excuse for litter, dust balls, stinky loos, stained walls etc. This happens because too many managers have nice warm offices, posh shoes and greedy directors. Anything that generates an instant profit or an immediate saving is implemented instantaneously. Things that require effort or will take weeks, months or years to show a return are placed on the back-burner.

Our airports will become better places only when the people who run them realise that they exist to take people from where they don't want to be to somewhere they want to be. Passengers are not looking for an "experience" or to be "inspired" (I think I'm about to throw up) or an "engagement". People are there to catch a bloody plane. I'll suggest each person responsible for a booking does a Price/Timetable/Convenience trade off and books accordingly. The airport can affect the first and last parts of the equation and can influence the middle one. But unfortunately they think of the passenger as the customer rather than the user. The customer is the airline. It is a slight change of focus but an important one. Focus on this and at the same time make sure you have the infrastructure to support this and you will end up with more flights, better prices and a great airport. But as I have said above, most UK airports are managed by the same type of greedy myopic individuals so nothing will change in the near future and airports will continue to be run in they way they are.

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ps. If you you are going to walk five minutes, why not walk to the "Free 30 minute" car park?
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Old 15th Nov 2016, 21:22
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Why don't you just put it to rest, your coming across as very arrogant CONTINOUSLY pushing your own agenda, why don't you put your efforts into contacting your local MP or even running as your local MP because your falling on death ears on this site regarding your posts and to be totally honest I think we have all had enough of them, you personally have hijacked the Leeds forum with your consistent posts which are coming across as pure drivel, you seem a very unhappy person and this site isn't a place to push your own agendas I suggest you see a councillor fo that.

This forum was a far more pleasant place to be when you took your recent week off!
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Old 15th Nov 2016, 21:40
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Originally Posted by LEEDS APPROACH View Post
And this is where your argument completely falls flat on its backside! Leeds and West Yorkshire [and Yorkshire in General] is a massive city and population - that is why the City's railway station is the 2nd busiest in England outside of London. It is very high up in England's hierarchy, as you put it. Yeadon airport's low passenger figure most certainly does NOT reflect what is possible from this region and is purely down to the airport's highly limiting geographic location combined with its real and perceived inaccessibility as well as its inability to handle certain flights.
I don't quite see how the population of west Yorkshire (2.16m, hardly "massive") is going to increase by switching commercial airline traffic 15 miles further away from your main centre of population and economic activity?
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