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Old 6th Mar 2016, 22:04
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Well we need to wait and see what the consultation brings but LBA saying they want road and rail links is a bit like Leeds and Bradford City Councils saying they want a new taxiway at the southern end and a new terminal building. It's easy to call for things you don't have to pay for.
Forgive me but wasn't it part of the agreement when the council's sold the airport to Bridgepoint that part of the money they received from the sale would be used to improve access to the airport?
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Old 7th Mar 2016, 07:51
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I`m sure you are right and probably the Council did intend that at the time.However there have been important (for them) elections to fight and so the temptation to waste the money on `more important projects`is usually what wins the day. Or have I misunderstood how Councils work for all these years?
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Old 7th Mar 2016, 17:09
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Originally Posted by anothertyke
Well we need to wait and see what the consultation brings but LBA saying they want road and rail links is a bit like Leeds and Bradford City Councils saying they want a new taxiway at the southern end and a new terminal building. It's easy to call for things you don't have to pay for.
LOL the point to this article was the date! it was posted in November 2005
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Old 8th Mar 2016, 15:33
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LBA best airport for on time departure times

Leeds Bradford Airport named best in UK for on-time flights (From )
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 13:17
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Rail Link Debate Continues

Colin Speakman: How the train can take the strain to Leeds Bradford Airport - Yorkshire Post
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 17:11
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2011 Masterplan

The masterplan is really coming on now! First a pub and now a filling station! I can almost smell those Dreamliners and 777s.

The masterplan is just exactly as I predicted and is an excellent 'piece of work'. Just like the last masterplan (2005) it is indicative only (aviation) [not the filling station and not the housing estate and not the bypass and not the industrial estate] and date vague. Certainly some of the shown new apron will be built but not all of what is shown. When 2019 comes along then it will be the usual "well it was only indicative!" Just like the spotters said about the last masterplan that was not fulfilled. It will continue LBA airport growth for the next 14 years just as it has to continue but without the poor value for money big spend (on this site). I would estimate 4.2/4.3 million passengers by 2020 and in the region of 5 million by 2030. Winter will be fun!! Meanwhile elsewhere. Such a shame though that as a region in this interim period we are missing out on the flights that are required and viable and offered by other more suitable and functioning airports.

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Old 9th Apr 2016, 12:25
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Flybe have announced that they are adding a 5th daily flight on its Belfast City to Leeds/Bradford service commencing from July 4th.

http://www.leedsbradfordairport.co.u...2/07042016.pdf
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Old 14th Apr 2016, 06:17
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Understand Flybe to announce a new route from Leeds/Bradford to Newquay sometime today.
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Old 21st Apr 2016, 20:19
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'New' route for 2017 from LBA to Faro with Thomson. Adding to frequent flights by FR, LS and ZB. Connecting Yorkshire with the world. It's just a massive failure to realise potential caused by incorrect location.
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Old 23rd Apr 2016, 11:54
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Originally Posted by LEEDS APPROACH
'New' route for 2017 from LBA to Faro with Thomson. Adding to frequent flights by FR, LS and ZB. Connecting Yorkshire with the world. It's just a massive failure to realise potential caused by incorrect location.
The location of Leeds Airport works for me ! I can walk to my light aircraft, watch all the departures and arrivals from my conservatory and costs it me 3 for a cab to the terminal and whilst it is on a hill if we get the landing distances sorted the foggy days would be less of a problem leaving us with an un fixable windy day problem only.
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Old 23rd Apr 2016, 12:39
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The problem on 14 is the glidepath angle is too steep for an autoland and the odd radalt characteristics on the approach don't help either.
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Old 25th Apr 2016, 17:42
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Old 5th May 2016, 17:01
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LBIA will soon be swallowed up by our neighbours at Doncaster Robin Hood!! thats if this article in the Yorkshire Post is anything to go by!!
The view from Steel City: The saga of one airport?s road to prosperity - Yorkshire Post
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Old 5th May 2016, 20:32
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1.3m from a standing start is pretty good !

I don't know the local politics but long term I reckon this is a good shout!
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Old 5th May 2016, 22:04
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Originally Posted by Bagso
1.3m from a standing start is pretty good !

I don't know the local politics but long term I reckon this is a good shout!
Yes it would be good if it was true! DSA is sub 1 million passengers. Any airport can have millions of passengers selling unsustainable tickets for 20 odd quid and then they drop like a stone (and vice versa). It is what happened at DSA years ago and has happened at many many airports. Prestwick, Girona, Liverpool, Teesside etc etc etc Short term passenger throughput tells very little these days. Cardiff another airport with little catchment that is rocketing up - ridiculous.

Certainly though the people within Leeds City Region knew they had to act (DSA has much better aerodrome characteristics)- and they have. It will take a while though and so LBA will be shoe horned up to 5.5 milion. Talking about a parkway station for LBA stops everyone (mostly clueless local politicians with a vested interest) chuntering on about building a nonsensical rail link while the essential bypass gets built that increases the value of the land and makes it residential usable. But where are the plans for a parkway station? They do not exist and never will - the matter has only just been completely ruled out. It serves a purpose that's all.

If 2 pitts specials wrote in the air to the local plane spotters what was really going on they still wouldn't get it!

Between 15 and 25 years I believe the Yeadon site will be a housing estate with associated industrial estate. I don't believe DSA will be the replacement. RYR came and went. EZY came and went. Will BE fill 100+ seats to Berlin everyday from Donny and Lincs when there is flights 30 minutes down the motorway? It's not rocket science. Catchment Catchment Catchment.

I would love DSA to be thee airport for Yorkshire but I just don't think it will be. It's too far away from Leeds City region. 11 years and what have we got - Flybe daily to Berlin with planes they don't really want. Thank goodness for Wizz eh!

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Old 6th May 2016, 18:35
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The catchment argument is very flawed. A short journey to the airport will influence, but price and availability will prevail. Yorkshire people will happily travel to BHX, NCL, LPL, EMA & MAN if the price is right, and chosen flight destination is available on their preferred date of departure. If the three airlines providing the destinations and availability at LBA chose to move to DSA, LBA would have less passengers than DSA. Airport incentives to the airlines will dictate which will sustain existing services or promote further growth.
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Old 6th May 2016, 19:28
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G-FORZ, I fail to see how catchment area is irrelevant. The reason LBA is relatively successful is due to the large population on its doorstep. That is also the reason why the airports you mention can offer cheaper seats, as they have access to large markets so they can be flooded with seats with a better yield. If you believe that other airports haven't tried to 'poach' the incumbents at LBA by offering incentives then you will be mistaken.

Airports can offer all kinds of incentives, but it's up to the public to use the services, or they'll be gone. It's that simple.

Where I completely disagree with Leeds Approach is the constant argument for a new Yorkshire airport, and closure of the others. This simply will not happen, and it's up to the punters to vote with their feet.

I feel LBA will always be ahead of the game in Yorkshire, perceived accessibility issues, and poor weather record considered. It's got to be where the money's at. Access to DSA has vastly improved, but then it is fighting with MAN LBA and EMA for passengers, is it really a viable alternative for the high volume carriers? Those places serve far larger - and generally wealthier - immediate populations...

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Old 6th May 2016, 20:09
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G-FORZ, I fail to see how catchment area is irrelevant. The reason LBA is relatively successful is due to the large population on its doorstep. That is also the reason why the airports you mention can offer cheaper seats, as they have access to large markets so they can be flooded with seats with a better yield. If you believe that other airports haven't tried to 'poach' the incumbents at LBA by offering incentives then you will be mistaken.

Airports can offer all kinds of incentives, but it's up to the public to use the services, or they'll be gone. It's that simple.

Where I completely disagree with Leeds Approach is the constant argument for a new Yorkshire airport, and closure of the others. This simply will not happen, and it's up to the punters to vote with their feet.

I feel LBA will always be ahead of the game in Yorkshire, perceived accessibility issues, and poor weather record considered. It's got to be where the money's at. Access to DSA has vastly improved, but then it is fighting with MAN LBA and EMA for passengers, is it really a viable alternative for the high volume carriers? Those places serve far larger - and generally wealthier - immediate populations...
Wow pug - have you had a bang on the head!? Great post.

Distance catchment population and time/ease catchment population between passenger moving airports are finite figures just like the population of South Yorkshire or the Isle of Wight for example. They are critical important figures when it comes to air travel.

I am not arguing for the closure of airports (just as NCL is not arguing for the closure of MME). Put the 3 airports in a long race and take away political/rival handicap and you will see which one is the most suitable (all aspects) airport. Of course one airport may be involved with another airport?

We need an airport that is making money - not two airports that are paying passengers to fly. Sustainability.

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Old 7th May 2016, 08:19
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i would love to know the 2 airports that pay passengers to fly from?? i use both LBA and doncaster and no one has paid me anything.
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i have no problem as a passenger with either airport.
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