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Noticed that WW have WFU G-TOYB & C in recent months and G-TOYI in the last week.
Are these aircraft just going for storage to return next winter or are they being permenantly removed?. Also are they planning to remove any more aircraft??.
Are these aircraft just going for storage to return next winter or are they being permenantly removed?. Also are they planning to remove any more aircraft??.
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Uh-oh
Just announced, 158 jobs to go with 136 being flt crew & 22 Tinytown & support roles...good luck to those affected
YI merely on C check in Sofia
You ain't seen me right........
YI merely on C check in Sofia
You ain't seen me right........
Memo states fleet reduction of 5 aircraft as leases expire over winter. 158 jobs at risk, includes 54 pilot positions, 82 Cabin staff & 22 management/support staff.
A sad day and good luck to everyone.
A sad day and good luck to everyone.
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Anyone have any idea on based units after this announcement. Am hearing BHX down to 2 a/C based. 1 of each. Down from 7 and goes against there plans in making bhx a super base only 2 years ago. Am assuming 7 for EMA and then 2 each for CWL and Man??
Best Regards
Baz
Best Regards
Baz
from ABTN | Industry news and expert advice
Bmibaby to focus on growth routes
Today at 11:47 — by Stanley Slaughter in Air Travel, Travel Management | NEWS ITEM
Restructuring could mean job losses
BMI's low cost carrier bmibaby today (November 4) announced a restructuring with a focus on routes that are likely to grow.
The airline, now part of the Lufthansa Group, said the changes will lead to more jobs at the UK's East Midlands Airport.
But there could be job losses at Manchester, Birmingham and Cardiff Airports and as well as at its head office.
The carrier said it was also cutting five aircraft from its current fleet of 17 in2010.
Bmibaby said the new strategy would focus on "routes where there are clear indications and prospects for future growth and development".
The aim was to enable the airline to "concentrate on core operations and activities and to adjust existing schedules and frequencies to maximise their potential".
It said the new plan would mean new jobs for ten pilots and 15 cabin crew at East Midlands.
But it said 54 pilots and 82 cabin crew at the three other airports were "at risk of redundancy."
There could also be 22 jobs in management and support operations lost at head office.
Crawford Rix, managing director, bmibaby, said the aviation industry was facing "its toughest time ever - it is experiencing record losses and remedial action has to be taken. bmibaby is no exception to this".
He added: "We have to focus our efforts and activities on routes and services that we believe are the best fit for our business.
"We believe that having identified and by concentrating on the core business areas and reinforcing our efforts, we can ensure that bmibaby continues to provide its customers with the best possible competitive fares as well as an attractive range of business and leisure products."
Bmibaby to focus on growth routes
Today at 11:47 — by Stanley Slaughter in Air Travel, Travel Management | NEWS ITEM
Restructuring could mean job losses
BMI's low cost carrier bmibaby today (November 4) announced a restructuring with a focus on routes that are likely to grow.
The airline, now part of the Lufthansa Group, said the changes will lead to more jobs at the UK's East Midlands Airport.
But there could be job losses at Manchester, Birmingham and Cardiff Airports and as well as at its head office.
The carrier said it was also cutting five aircraft from its current fleet of 17 in2010.
Bmibaby said the new strategy would focus on "routes where there are clear indications and prospects for future growth and development".
The aim was to enable the airline to "concentrate on core operations and activities and to adjust existing schedules and frequencies to maximise their potential".
It said the new plan would mean new jobs for ten pilots and 15 cabin crew at East Midlands.
But it said 54 pilots and 82 cabin crew at the three other airports were "at risk of redundancy."
There could also be 22 jobs in management and support operations lost at head office.
Crawford Rix, managing director, bmibaby, said the aviation industry was facing "its toughest time ever - it is experiencing record losses and remedial action has to be taken. bmibaby is no exception to this".
He added: "We have to focus our efforts and activities on routes and services that we believe are the best fit for our business.
"We believe that having identified and by concentrating on the core business areas and reinforcing our efforts, we can ensure that bmibaby continues to provide its customers with the best possible competitive fares as well as an attractive range of business and leisure products."
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Sad times 
does anyone know the status of the bases next year in comparison to this year?
I understand EMA is being focused on so may have an increase of units from the 7 units proposed next year. This will leave 5 or less between 3 bases. I see a base closure and its looking a lot like it may be CWL as it is the smallest but saying that the flights have good loads.
does anyone know the status of the bases next year in comparison to this year? I understand EMA is being focused on so may have an increase of units from the 7 units proposed next year. This will leave 5 or less between 3 bases. I see a base closure and its looking a lot like it may be CWL as it is the smallest but saying that the flights have good loads.
and theres me to believe that bmibaby was the successful one and not bmi mainline?Join Date: Oct 2009
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baby at CWL
When i flew to Edinbrugh the plane
out had only a few seats seats left that were empty on the way back the plane was full.
Baby cant cut at CWL they only just expanded there routes there.
All Though i can see Murcia and Almeria Going out the cot at CWL. .
out had only a few seats seats left that were empty on the way back the plane was full.
Baby cant cut at CWL they only just expanded there routes there.
All Though i can see Murcia and Almeria Going out the cot at CWL. .
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It seems that the cut backs are well planned in advance, I do not belive that they do not know what routes are going. As ever the customer dosnt seem to matter as they allow them to make plans and book flights that are plainly not going to be there.
Take the routes off sale now.
Centre cities
Take the routes off sale now.
Centre cities
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Sorry to hear about the job cuts; I don't doubt that there's going to be more of the same at mainline & regional. Speaking as one of the 'cronies' at mainline, I would suggest that any profit/loss figures spouted by the board in the past are merely put out to suit the mood of the day - sure, the group may have made "x" profit/loss in such a year, but I'm pretty sure that money has been shifted around to influence policy, salary claims, etc. It's for that reason that I think that the posts by worldaccording2 & 16024 are being a bit simplistic. When baby was set up (in a matter of weeks) back then my roster was changed almost overnight to fly the baby sectors instead of mainline ones. Ops & crewing was being run from the hall; engineering assistance was on hand from Midland;- I bet that wasn't going through baby's books. I'm not trying to turn this into a rant about which arm of the business is more worthy than the other, I just think that any talk of profit/loss that comes from the company should be treated with a large pinch of salt, at least until things have bedded down and we all have a board in charge that are interested in more than lining their own pockets. I for one am regularly flying full aircraft to midhaul destinations, a number of which are to oil rich countries where there is little or no competition. If they can't generate revenue from that then the marketing should be handed over completely to LH. I tend to agree with the sentiments of bmibaby.com's post yesterday with regard to the level of commitment that must have been apparent to the Lufty guys that have been overseeing things recently, and also to the inaction that seems to have gripped SMB and his merry band. For years the competition has been placing large orders for new, fuel efficient aircraft, while baby end up with the legacy fleet from mainline plus a few clapped out -300s from the far east. Can it be a surprise that they may not be as efficient or reliable as the competition's? - Not really, I think we all realise now that probably not a single operation that occurred within any part of any of the group's activities didn't happen without a 'cut' being filtered away to boost a bank account somewhere. I wonder how much of the much-touted £100m "loss" was because of that?
There was much talk of LH simply flogging off parts of the business; I think that it is at least a positive sign that they haven't done so. I think that the next couple of years will (I hope) show them that it will have been the correct choice.
There was much talk of LH simply flogging off parts of the business; I think that it is at least a positive sign that they haven't done so. I think that the next couple of years will (I hope) show them that it will have been the correct choice.
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A very, very sad day indeed. Re-structure or call it what you want has left 3 poentially good basis wide open to competion. Would also think what little confidence the public had in baby has no doubt gone, who wants to book with an airline that may fly to your destination?
Although the business plan looks good now its just too late for 150 odd people, EMA will either make or break the company from today.
Good luck to all concerned.
Although the business plan looks good now its just too late for 150 odd people, EMA will either make or break the company from today.
Good luck to all concerned.
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The company is a dead duck.
12 Aircraft simply will not pay the bills. This is Luftys way of driving down the business until there is nothing left. They will wait till the next lot of leases come up and drive it down until its dead and buried.
One thing is certain passengers ain't going to book now with a company that is sinking.
The baby is dead.
12 Aircraft simply will not pay the bills. This is Luftys way of driving down the business until there is nothing left. They will wait till the next lot of leases come up and drive it down until its dead and buried.
One thing is certain passengers ain't going to book now with a company that is sinking.
The baby is dead.
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Half full/half empty?
Hudson
You may be right or a mile out, who knows for sure, there are some positives in this (apart from the people directly effected of course) if this is a slow death, why, it would have been easier to shut up shop, 12 leases would be sorted by LH given their clout and at least they would have drawn a line under it, this way the have exposed themselves to the down side risk.
I doubt the public will bat an eye lid RBS have announced 3'700 job cuts this week alone and they maybe underwritten 83% by uk gov but LH is backing baby in this it seems.
Industry figures have suggested a loss at bmi for year ending 31/12/2009 of £150m-£200m for bmi group i have heard figs for baby quoted at £5m loss and Regional £0-3M loss, that leaves one hell of a whole to fill from elsewhere!!!
I was at an ex regional bods wedding do in Harrogate a few weeks back and a Regional BALAP guy said "watch what they do baby, take their jobs cut and multiply by 10 fold to see whats coming mainlines way"
I think a lot of peeps are going to have a crap Xmas
You may be right or a mile out, who knows for sure, there are some positives in this (apart from the people directly effected of course) if this is a slow death, why, it would have been easier to shut up shop, 12 leases would be sorted by LH given their clout and at least they would have drawn a line under it, this way the have exposed themselves to the down side risk.
I doubt the public will bat an eye lid RBS have announced 3'700 job cuts this week alone and they maybe underwritten 83% by uk gov but LH is backing baby in this it seems.
Industry figures have suggested a loss at bmi for year ending 31/12/2009 of £150m-£200m for bmi group i have heard figs for baby quoted at £5m loss and Regional £0-3M loss, that leaves one hell of a whole to fill from elsewhere!!!
I was at an ex regional bods wedding do in Harrogate a few weeks back and a Regional BALAP guy said "watch what they do baby, take their jobs cut and multiply by 10 fold to see whats coming mainlines way"
I think a lot of peeps are going to have a crap Xmas
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Very sad news for all of colleagues from the other bases and at Tiny Town that are going to be affected by this, and who will continue to be affected as Lufthansa continue to chop and change their strategy for the bmi group, sadly I'm sure more is to come. I'm sure Lufthansa are well aware of what they're doing, and that this move has come as a way of being able to reduce losses, whilst still maintaining an important presence in the UK, although I can't help but think that this will do some serious damage to the bmibaby brand and reputation. After the XL debacle, people have been very wary to book flights with operators looking shaky. Hopefully the likes of easyJet, Monarch, Jet2 and flybe are looking where they can fill the gaps, and hopefully with decent job offers for displaced colleagues as well.