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Have it on good authority that even in the worst case scenario envisaged by tiny town no bases will actually close (although the real worse case is something they probably haven't dared think about !). Shrinkage and movement is probably unavoidable. If the unions have been "invited" it's definately not good news all round.
On the other topic I suspect Regional and Mainline will both get their unions "invited" round for a chat without tea and biscuits pretty soon. Just figure Baby is the easiest of the three to sort out quickly, for all the wrong reasons, so they go first.
On the other topic I suspect Regional and Mainline will both get their unions "invited" round for a chat without tea and biscuits pretty soon. Just figure Baby is the easiest of the three to sort out quickly, for all the wrong reasons, so they go first.
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Hey this topic has probaly been posted in this thread but still.
Lufy could give baby some mainline A319/A320's even if there 10 Year old they probaly do baby fine. Probaly do somthing soon.
Lufy could give baby some mainline A319/A320's even if there 10 Year old they probaly do baby fine. Probaly do somthing soon.
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By what has been said GTOYB has left the fleet and been returned to the leasing company.
No aircraft really is a main aircraft at CWL. There are aircraft that stay at CWL for a while then when it's required at EMA for maintenance or checks etc which can't be done at CWL same aso other bases they will either swap down route or when the rescue aircraft comes into cover the delays the tech aircraft will be positioned out.
It does seem that the same aircraft remains at CWL for a while but they can alternate quite freqently if theres a lot of tech issues.
No aircraft really is a main aircraft at CWL. There are aircraft that stay at CWL for a while then when it's required at EMA for maintenance or checks etc which can't be done at CWL same aso other bases they will either swap down route or when the rescue aircraft comes into cover the delays the tech aircraft will be positioned out.
It does seem that the same aircraft remains at CWL for a while but they can alternate quite freqently if theres a lot of tech issues.
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TOYB
TOYB due to go back Mar/Apr. Just coming off C check & with reduced winter flying makes financial sense to store. It can then be prepped for handback so there is no lease overrun with the hefty penalty charges that incurs. Still no confirmation which a/c will definitely go back from Baby (think most can guess). All will be clearer next Weds
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3 Aircraft in total will leave the fleet shortly. YB has already gone and there is no intention for them to be replaced.
Management have tried to secure their future by moving another 3 A/C to East Mids. This is a short sighted exercise and it is only time before the company ceases to exist. A real shame but that's business. The management have failed in a big way, they have wasted valuable resources on an abundance of training Captains, redundancy payments, out of court settlements, multiple crew rooms and excess middle management.
I find it shocking what the management have done. Yet Again 2 months before Christmas. One director informing crew they will know if they have a job next Wednesday. Where is your morality? Oh I forgot it's business.
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Management have tried to secure their future by moving another 3 A/C to East Mids. This is a short sighted exercise and it is only time before the company ceases to exist. A real shame but that's business. The management have failed in a big way, they have wasted valuable resources on an abundance of training Captains, redundancy payments, out of court settlements, multiple crew rooms and excess middle management.
I find it shocking what the management have done. Yet Again 2 months before Christmas. One director informing crew they will know if they have a job next Wednesday. Where is your morality? Oh I forgot it's business.
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your tune is very different to last year hudson you actually seem concerned this time.
I seem to remember last time it was a case of im alright jack!!!!!
On another note, if and its a big IF all three are going and not to be replaced and an increase of three aircraft at EMA would effectively mean a complete base gone?
As a potential victim of the last cut backs I once again fear for mine and all my colleagues futures. time will tell.
Merry xmas from NT and lufty
I seem to remember last time it was a case of im alright jack!!!!!
On another note, if and its a big IF all three are going and not to be replaced and an increase of three aircraft at EMA would effectively mean a complete base gone?
As a potential victim of the last cut backs I once again fear for mine and all my colleagues futures. time will tell.
Merry xmas from NT and lufty
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These are indeed uncertain times but I wonder why people need to put the worst possible spin on events - Wednesday is a few days away and we'll know then what lies ahead. Until then anything else is just pure speculation - Hudson's track record to date is far from perfect and the sky hasn't yet fallen in!
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No No, No!!
Dont be Silly Guys, They Wont be gone
Realy if they are Strugling They would be cutting there fleet. Does anybody no the reg of the next planes to go or is it the -500 Models?
Realy if they are Strugling They would be cutting there fleet. Does anybody no the reg of the next planes to go or is it the -500 Models?
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I think they are here to stay but not as we know them
Look at the know facts
LH said on Thursday that they are seeking to delay or defer the delivery of new aircraft in the period 2010-2013
baby have aircraft coming to the end of their lease and there are no reports that i have seen on here to suggest that they will be extended
Their current on sale Summer 2010 program including new routes from EMA less ALC/AGP chopped from MAN will require more than the 17 aircraft they operated this Summer
The cross web links with Germanwings/baby suggests an on going plan
All the other UK loco's other than baby reported positive earning in their last year Ryanair/Easyjet/Flybe/Jet2/Globespan
Most employee's from baby seem to think it a lean business with little in the way of fat to cut,its ticket prices are far from cheap its load factor are reported to be high, so that leaves lease costs? or fuel
options
Full merger with Germanwing: unlikely the brand GW is unknown in babys market place
Germanwing to operate baby flights on behalf of baby: unlikely as that would be more expensive than doing it themselves.
Wind down the business: why? it would loose more and more money with each chop and staff turnover would go through the roof as soon as/when the market picks up
Close a base CWL? unlikely the return should be good being only Loco in town and BRS is a haul with bridge fee's to pay
MAN? unlikley, bmi/regional/LH/SN/GW all operate through there
EMA? nope just launched a raft of new routes
That leave BHX? 38 miles down the road and they could do what Easy have tried when closing EMA in offer pax's MAN/STN ie switch departure airport to EMA
The bigger question is what about the rest of the group
Regional? i think this will be sold to Flybe from Jan the 1st with the ERJ out LHR this will allow wholesale changes in mainline without getting bogged down in the scope clause issue, some unwanted slots will be sold these are still worth a fortune with an econmic recovery around the corner and R3 looking less liklely by the day
If baby get to see the end of 2010 (50/50) then i think it will get rolled into GW probably keeping the brand but run from of CGN
All speculation agreed, but one thing is certain it won't/can't stay as it is, the Wolf is at the door, i hope they don't throw the baby out with the dishwater
LH said on Thursday that they are seeking to delay or defer the delivery of new aircraft in the period 2010-2013
baby have aircraft coming to the end of their lease and there are no reports that i have seen on here to suggest that they will be extended
Their current on sale Summer 2010 program including new routes from EMA less ALC/AGP chopped from MAN will require more than the 17 aircraft they operated this Summer
The cross web links with Germanwings/baby suggests an on going plan
All the other UK loco's other than baby reported positive earning in their last year Ryanair/Easyjet/Flybe/Jet2/Globespan
Most employee's from baby seem to think it a lean business with little in the way of fat to cut,its ticket prices are far from cheap its load factor are reported to be high, so that leaves lease costs? or fuel
options
Full merger with Germanwing: unlikely the brand GW is unknown in babys market place
Germanwing to operate baby flights on behalf of baby: unlikely as that would be more expensive than doing it themselves.
Wind down the business: why? it would loose more and more money with each chop and staff turnover would go through the roof as soon as/when the market picks up
Close a base CWL? unlikely the return should be good being only Loco in town and BRS is a haul with bridge fee's to pay
MAN? unlikley, bmi/regional/LH/SN/GW all operate through there
EMA? nope just launched a raft of new routes
That leave BHX? 38 miles down the road and they could do what Easy have tried when closing EMA in offer pax's MAN/STN ie switch departure airport to EMA
The bigger question is what about the rest of the group
Regional? i think this will be sold to Flybe from Jan the 1st with the ERJ out LHR this will allow wholesale changes in mainline without getting bogged down in the scope clause issue, some unwanted slots will be sold these are still worth a fortune with an econmic recovery around the corner and R3 looking less liklely by the day
If baby get to see the end of 2010 (50/50) then i think it will get rolled into GW probably keeping the brand but run from of CGN
All speculation agreed, but one thing is certain it won't/can't stay as it is, the Wolf is at the door, i hope they don't throw the baby out with the dishwater