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What a pity BHX-CGN flight has been timed so poorly.
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What a pity BHX-CGN flight has been timed so poorly.
The S-Bahn from CGN runs until 1am and needs 15min right into the heart of Cologne, walk 300m to the old town pubs. CGN also has a cluster of hotels, 7min by S-Bahn. CGN-BHX has failed at least 4x before (BA, Duo, 4U, HLX), but you should not condemn this just for the flying times. Some of this actually is due to the UK being in a different time-zone than the continent, so Friday evening flights will always be late. Take e.g. FR's SXF-EMA, arriving 22:00 into SXF (Berlin is really odd, no partying _before_ 1am), and still really popular. There's always LH and BE if you are so so picky when you fly. Oh, and yes, Germans start working at 8am, but this WW flight is not for business people primarily (they would go to DUS). BTW, I think the flight number 15xx hints that the BHX flight will be WW, while EMA with 56xx could be 4U ? Yes, and I await the answer from FR.
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BHX-CGN
BHX-CGN hasn't worked after so many attempts because the aircraft type each time was wrong. Low fares flights have too much capacity for 6 flights per week. This route would suit CRJs or even Flybe DH4s (they maybe too large).
As for the comment about arriving in Cologne late at night. For leisure travelers its a wasted first night in a hotel for a two or three night break. You get out the airport straight to bed! For businessmen better flight times ex BHX would be to overnight the aircraft in CGN and return to BHX early in the morning capturing both early morning meetings in Cologne area and early morning business in Birmingham. Ideally this route would suit two departures morning and evening with small regional jets.
These flight times coupled with competition from up the M42 with timing better suited for leisure passengers will ensure this service wont work ex BHX, if it even gets off the ground. Mark my words!
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As for the comment about arriving in Cologne late at night. For leisure travelers its a wasted first night in a hotel for a two or three night break. You get out the airport straight to bed! For businessmen better flight times ex BHX would be to overnight the aircraft in CGN and return to BHX early in the morning capturing both early morning meetings in Cologne area and early morning business in Birmingham. Ideally this route would suit two departures morning and evening with small regional jets.
These flight times coupled with competition from up the M42 with timing better suited for leisure passengers will ensure this service wont work ex BHX, if it even gets off the ground. Mark my words!
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As for the comment about arriving in Cologne late at night. For leisure travelers its a wasted first night in a hotel for a two or three night break. You get out the airport straight to bed!
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seems an interesting choice BHX - CGN up against their own LH operations to DUS and I seem to recall flybe on BHX - DUS
Why did they not think about a Cardiff - CGN route where there is no competition. surely a better chance of a longer term viability. would be great to see a merger with Germanwings, but who would pull the strings?
Why did they not think about a Cardiff - CGN route where there is no competition. surely a better chance of a longer term viability. would be great to see a merger with Germanwings, but who would pull the strings?
To me, it doesn't make sense flooding the CGN market which as you have said is up against their own LH DUS flights, not to mention 4Us flights to CGN from MAN.
I've avoided booking WW flts from MAN as routes seem to get cancelled with little notice, so I have no confidence that flights will be operated.
Another annoyance is wanting to book MAN-BCN via CGN with 4U. The Germanwings web site automatically re-directs you to BMI Baby pages - who don't operate the route anymore.
Its pretty clear that 4U + WW haven't got their act together (yet), IMHO.
I've avoided booking WW flts from MAN as routes seem to get cancelled with little notice, so I have no confidence that flights will be operated.
Another annoyance is wanting to book MAN-BCN via CGN with 4U. The Germanwings web site automatically re-directs you to BMI Baby pages - who don't operate the route anymore.
Its pretty clear that 4U + WW haven't got their act together (yet), IMHO.
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Mr A Tis,
I echo your thoughts on the number of seats being introduced to CGN, especially the decision to fly from both EMA and BHX at times which seem to preclude any (or few) possibility of onward connecting flights with Germanwings.
Surely this is a missed opportunity for both WW and 4U, as the point-to-point traffic from the Midlands to Cologne cannot justify the number of flights being offered?
I echo your thoughts on the number of seats being introduced to CGN, especially the decision to fly from both EMA and BHX at times which seem to preclude any (or few) possibility of onward connecting flights with Germanwings.
Surely this is a missed opportunity for both WW and 4U, as the point-to-point traffic from the Midlands to Cologne cannot justify the number of flights being offered?
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bmibaby at CWL
Hello, Its been some time sinc I have posted here, And I would just like to say about baby at CWL, They have now Dropped there BFS route and should also think about dropping Glasgow and Edinbrugh when I flew CWL-EDI in Febury 2009 It was full, But now looking at the figures the numbers on the route have dropped rapidly, I think bmibaby could do a lot more for CWL if they Dropped these two routes and started to explore more into Europe they could probaly turn back into a profitbale company.
Hope the RBS Six Nations airlift has given them some dosh after flights for the Wales V Ireland have been Departing all day Yesteday and a few today. And I hope to Visit CWL Tommorow and get some shots of the babys bringing back the Welsh Supporters.
Hope the RBS Six Nations airlift has given them some dosh after flights for the Wales V Ireland have been Departing all day Yesteday and a few today. And I hope to Visit CWL Tommorow and get some shots of the babys bringing back the Welsh Supporters.
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BmiBaby has dropped the BFS from CWL as of last month and plan to reduce the EDI schedule to 1 x Daily for Summer 2010 season. The Glasgow has not appeared to be operated from CWL for 1 or 2 years and have planned to return it on several occasions but it has never materialised.
Looking at the BmiBaby website which now has started selling some destinations for Winter 2010.
BFS - Returns 1 x daily except for Saturdays
EDI - Returnes 2 x daily Mon-Friday / 1 x daily on Sundays / no operation on saturdays
JER - 2 x Weekly (Tuesdays & Saturdays)
GVA - 3 x Weekly (Starts end of Dec)
New Route
MUC - 4 x Weekly (Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, Sundays
The issue we have is that BmiBaby are cutting and adding flights which will only have a negative impact on passengers numbers as they continue to become messed about by the Bmibaby cancellations.
If Bmibaby continue to keep 2 x aircraft based at CWL there is a very limited operation that could be done and would see MUC being droppped unless a reduction in frequencies to the bucket and spade routes.
Flybe has now taken on the Belfast market from BmiBaby and have the ideal market for such a route and the same may apply after end of summer with WW daily rotation being mid day, not very convenient for business passengers.
The Future of WW at CWL
I honestly say that BmiBaby could have a bright future at CWL if they used their heads and looked at what is really needed.
Barcelona was a good route and very popular
Prague excellent route and took a lot of revenue on board flights
Ibiza Sold well but had very poor flying times
BmiBaby could have a profitable summer operation out of CWL with 4 aircraft but unfortunatly there is not enough work for the aircraft during the winter.
What routes do pprune members think would work from CWL and why?
BmiBaby has dropped the BFS from CWL as of last month and plan to reduce the EDI schedule to 1 x Daily for Summer 2010 season. The Glasgow has not appeared to be operated from CWL for 1 or 2 years and have planned to return it on several occasions but it has never materialised.
Looking at the BmiBaby website which now has started selling some destinations for Winter 2010.
BFS - Returns 1 x daily except for Saturdays
EDI - Returnes 2 x daily Mon-Friday / 1 x daily on Sundays / no operation on saturdays
JER - 2 x Weekly (Tuesdays & Saturdays)
GVA - 3 x Weekly (Starts end of Dec)
New Route
MUC - 4 x Weekly (Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, Sundays
The issue we have is that BmiBaby are cutting and adding flights which will only have a negative impact on passengers numbers as they continue to become messed about by the Bmibaby cancellations.
If Bmibaby continue to keep 2 x aircraft based at CWL there is a very limited operation that could be done and would see MUC being droppped unless a reduction in frequencies to the bucket and spade routes.
Flybe has now taken on the Belfast market from BmiBaby and have the ideal market for such a route and the same may apply after end of summer with WW daily rotation being mid day, not very convenient for business passengers.
The Future of WW at CWL
I honestly say that BmiBaby could have a bright future at CWL if they used their heads and looked at what is really needed.
Barcelona was a good route and very popular
Prague excellent route and took a lot of revenue on board flights
Ibiza Sold well but had very poor flying times
BmiBaby could have a profitable summer operation out of CWL with 4 aircraft but unfortunatly there is not enough work for the aircraft during the winter.
What routes do pprune members think would work from CWL and why?
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Ww Cwl-dub-cwl
Didnt sell well at all and a lot of the flights made P flights ex DUB. They did sell some of the seats on the DUB-CWL but i doubt enough to make them think a market is there.
Granted it would be great to see WW back in Dublin but I would guess that CWL on on the radar as it not eligible for any DAA grant aid.
Granted it would be great to see WW back in Dublin but I would guess that CWL on on the radar as it not eligible for any DAA grant aid.
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I am sure of the figures CWL-DUB-CWL but 70-80 did arrive on one of the WW DUB-CWL flights yesterday. If their happy operating CWL-EDI with those figures then i guess they would be happy with that.
The issue here is that Aer Lingus were initially selling DUB-CWL to earn money on the return legs instead also.
I don't believe that CWL-DUB schedule will work and i believe that Bmibaby should start concentrating on looking further afield rather than domestic and Ireland market as Flybe seem to have it sown up and BmiBaby in the long run will only continue to loose money trying to fight which they can't afford to do.
The issue here is that Aer Lingus were initially selling DUB-CWL to earn money on the return legs instead also.
I don't believe that CWL-DUB schedule will work and i believe that Bmibaby should start concentrating on looking further afield rather than domestic and Ireland market as Flybe seem to have it sown up and BmiBaby in the long run will only continue to loose money trying to fight which they can't afford to do.
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I hope you are right but the issue we have are in the summer new routes are replacement for other services so overall were adding the route portfolio getting anymore as other carriers are not operating the dropped routes out of CWL.
Due to the number of units BmiBaby are forced to seek new routes and then dropping the poor performing routes as they do not have the planes to add capacity.
Hopefully when LH fine tunes Bmibaby we will see more routes from the LH group be it operated by BmiBaby or Germanwings.
The one thing we do all know is that many routes operated by Bmibaby out of other bases would be ideal candidates for operation out of CWL and there is certainly enough routes for 4 based summer units.
Due to the number of units BmiBaby are forced to seek new routes and then dropping the poor performing routes as they do not have the planes to add capacity.
Hopefully when LH fine tunes Bmibaby we will see more routes from the LH group be it operated by BmiBaby or Germanwings.
The one thing we do all know is that many routes operated by Bmibaby out of other bases would be ideal candidates for operation out of CWL and there is certainly enough routes for 4 based summer units.
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As we say consistently on PPRuNe loads often don't tell us much - it's the yields that keep airlines in business and it's impossible for those of us outside the airline industry to even make an educated guess as to which routes might or might not work, or might not work as well as options for the same airline elsewhere.
Incidentally, the bmibaby CWL-MUC route never operated between December and March 2003. Its only outing as a route was in the summer of 2003 when it carried just under 19,000 passengers in the seven months from April to October that year, so it will interesting to see how it performs as a winter route.
Incidentally, the bmibaby CWL-MUC route never operated between December and March 2003. Its only outing as a route was in the summer of 2003 when it carried just under 19,000 passengers in the seven months from April to October that year, so it will interesting to see how it performs as a winter route.
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bmibaby route development
Seems a little odd to be increasing frequency on a very seasonal route from BOH to JER for the winter from 3 to 4 weekly. They should keep their frequency the same until it's proven during the winter and THEN increase frequency for the following summer.
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You're talking sense, they do have some erratic route development, what goes on behind doors will remain a mystery...but, on the other hand maybe looking ahead is the best thing, and to sell them this far in advance even better - thus filling the seats by the time the flight takes off!
Or, knowing bmibaby, cutting the route in about, umm, July.
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Or, knowing bmibaby, cutting the route in about, umm, July.
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Rumour has it that the new MAN / LDE is looking very thin on quite a few dates.
Peak weeks not too bad, but quite a few "teens" about !
How long will that last ?
Ryanair out of STN to LDE end next month, leaving it back to the charterers
for the summer.
Peak weeks not too bad, but quite a few "teens" about !
How long will that last ?
Ryanair out of STN to LDE end next month, leaving it back to the charterers
for the summer.
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baby bun fight
The IPA at bmibaby - PPRuNe Forums
A right old bun fight going on in Terms and Endearment link above, much more fun than whats on here at the minute
Makes David and Goliath seem a minor squabble
A right old bun fight going on in Terms and Endearment link above, much more fun than whats on here at the minute
Makes David and Goliath seem a minor squabble
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Crawford Rix is leaving BMIbaby and moving to Managing Director of Tiger Airways Australia.
Tiger Airways names boss for Aussie arm
Tiger Airways Holdings Ltd has appointed the former boss of low-cost UK carrier bmibaby as managing director of its Australian operations.
Aviation veteran Crawford Rix will head up the Singapore-based airline's Australian arm after a four-year stint as managing director at bmibaby.
He takes over from Shelley Roberts, who has held the position since mid-2008.
Ms Roberts established Tiger Airways Australia as a major national airline, leading it from infancy to profitability, Tiger Airways Holdings Group CEO Tony Davis said.
"After completing her hand-over to Crawford, she intends to take a well-deserved break," he said in a statement.
Mr Rix's career in the industry spans more than 30 years.
He has held senior positions with several UK airlines including Dan Air, bmi Regional and bmibaby.
During his time at bmibaby, he brought the airline to the top position in the UK in terms of reliability and punctuality among low-cost carriers, Tiger said.
"We are delighted that Crawford will be joining us later in the year," Mr Davis said.
"With his experience and track record, he will be a great asset to the business."
Mr Rix will relocate to Melbourne in the coming months to begin his new role.
Tiger started flying in Australia in November 2007, based from Melbourne's Tullamarine Airport and Adelaide.
The airline is also due to start flying from Brisbane to Melbourne, Adelaide and Rockhampton this month.
Tiger Airways Holdings Ltd has appointed the former boss of low-cost UK carrier bmibaby as managing director of its Australian operations.
Aviation veteran Crawford Rix will head up the Singapore-based airline's Australian arm after a four-year stint as managing director at bmibaby.
He takes over from Shelley Roberts, who has held the position since mid-2008.
Ms Roberts established Tiger Airways Australia as a major national airline, leading it from infancy to profitability, Tiger Airways Holdings Group CEO Tony Davis said.
"After completing her hand-over to Crawford, she intends to take a well-deserved break," he said in a statement.
Mr Rix's career in the industry spans more than 30 years.
He has held senior positions with several UK airlines including Dan Air, bmi Regional and bmibaby.
During his time at bmibaby, he brought the airline to the top position in the UK in terms of reliability and punctuality among low-cost carriers, Tiger said.
"We are delighted that Crawford will be joining us later in the year," Mr Davis said.
"With his experience and track record, he will be a great asset to the business."
Mr Rix will relocate to Melbourne in the coming months to begin his new role.
Tiger started flying in Australia in November 2007, based from Melbourne's Tullamarine Airport and Adelaide.
The airline is also due to start flying from Brisbane to Melbourne, Adelaide and Rockhampton this month.