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BHX winter reductions
Some new reductions and it is not looking good
BHX-EDI on Wednesdays are no longer bookable and Thursday
is down to one daily from the winter schedule except Christmas.
BHX - GLA also cut to one daily on Wednesday and Thursday.
Although trade shows have reduced significantly at the NEC
Wednesday is still a reasonable business day even more so
than Fridays when most shows have finished.
It seems just aiming for the casual/leisure traveller.
BHX-BFS seems to remain twice daily and three on Thursdays
and Fridays.
Pete
BHX-EDI on Wednesdays are no longer bookable and Thursday
is down to one daily from the winter schedule except Christmas.
BHX - GLA also cut to one daily on Wednesday and Thursday.
Although trade shows have reduced significantly at the NEC
Wednesday is still a reasonable business day even more so
than Fridays when most shows have finished.
It seems just aiming for the casual/leisure traveller.
BHX-BFS seems to remain twice daily and three on Thursdays
and Fridays.
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MAN Flights Cancelled
Just had an email 1 1/2 hours ago from BMI Baby saying our flights to Alicante over the Christmas period has been cancelled, our dates were the 20th December to the 30th December. I knew they were cutting back over winter but believed the December flights were ok, obviously not.
Lookily I have rebooked with Easyjet and the flights were cheaper
than with BMI Baby on the same dates and within 10 mins of departure.
Lookily I have rebooked with Easyjet and the flights were cheaper
than with BMI Baby on the same dates and within 10 mins of departure.
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MAN base
Further reductions on the timetable this morning showing a cut in the morning AMS departure on TUE, WED and THU leaving the just the afternoon. Not that good if catering for the business traveller...
Does anyone know how successful the route has been overall so far (in terms of load factor at least) ?
On most days it looks as if the base could run on two based aircraft for most of the winter season, was that the case anyway ?
Cheers
Does anyone know how successful the route has been overall so far (in terms of load factor at least) ?
On most days it looks as if the base could run on two based aircraft for most of the winter season, was that the case anyway ?
Cheers
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I wouldn't worry too much until they start chopping the summer programme. The winter is looking bleak but if the summer starts to look bleak too then start worrying and in a big way unless you work for someone else ! The EMA megabase may yet save the day ! Unless, that is, you like MAN, BHX or CWL as somewhere to fly from or work ! The German silence is becoming thunderous.
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MAN -AMS Service
I like wouldn't worry about the winter culling, few use baby for there and back on the same day to AMS and the loads have been OK
I wouldn't expect anything new from the new management until the Wolf lands on the 1st of November.
The first 737 hand back is under way with another to follow shortly, still no news on extending lease's or LH 737 classic's a few rumours doing the rounds now about some (5) 319 joining the fleet, but from where? and who will be flying them (mainline crews?) ( Germanwings on behalf of Baby?) or baby 737 crews type conversion.
Looks like pay deal part 3 is a dead duck (your lucky to have a job seems to be the line) and if you don't like it you can help NT fill the vending machines
I wouldn't expect anything new from the new management until the Wolf lands on the 1st of November.
The first 737 hand back is under way with another to follow shortly, still no news on extending lease's or LH 737 classic's a few rumours doing the rounds now about some (5) 319 joining the fleet, but from where? and who will be flying them (mainline crews?) ( Germanwings on behalf of Baby?) or baby 737 crews type conversion.
Looks like pay deal part 3 is a dead duck (your lucky to have a job seems to be the line) and if you don't like it you can help NT fill the vending machines
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Obviously if the routes are not selling then why operate the flights. AMS has not been operated from CWL in over a year.
On most days of the week CWL only have 3 flights a day EDI x 2 and BFS except for weekends when there is a few internationals.
Could WW be looking at chartering aircraft out etc? Well it could be something to consider if aircraft are sat on the ground all day.
There is no need to waste money especially in the current climate so a good decision as long as the summer shedules at all 4 bases are not culled.
On most days of the week CWL only have 3 flights a day EDI x 2 and BFS except for weekends when there is a few internationals.
Could WW be looking at chartering aircraft out etc? Well it could be something to consider if aircraft are sat on the ground all day.
There is no need to waste money especially in the current climate so a good decision as long as the summer shedules at all 4 bases are not culled.
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Can't see there's any money for setting up a new fleet within baby. Buses would be externally crewed from a FD perspective anyway. Don't know where that would leave everyone legally though if mainline crews displaced baby crews at established bases especially as that would inevitably involve significant redundancies within baby.
If I'm honest I can't believe LH will hand over any aircraft or allow baby to renogotiate leases unless they get them for nothing. I don't want to start winding anyone up and I know nothing (as you can tell) and this is based on no rumour I have heard just the hard nosed business facts as I see them. Baby makes a loss, new aircraft will not make it make a profit, reducing the fleet will slightly cut the loss, the company is worth nothing. Now with all that in mind if you were German and had no loyalty to anything but cash what would you do. Another bad Christams for some I am guessing if those aircraft have already "gone". I really hope I'm wrong.
If I'm honest I can't believe LH will hand over any aircraft or allow baby to renogotiate leases unless they get them for nothing. I don't want to start winding anyone up and I know nothing (as you can tell) and this is based on no rumour I have heard just the hard nosed business facts as I see them. Baby makes a loss, new aircraft will not make it make a profit, reducing the fleet will slightly cut the loss, the company is worth nothing. Now with all that in mind if you were German and had no loyalty to anything but cash what would you do. Another bad Christams for some I am guessing if those aircraft have already "gone". I really hope I'm wrong.
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i have heard from a friend at another airline that baby plan on pulling out of brum this winter? Is this to release the aircraft for the EMA Meg base. I think MAN have also lost one, so are the others going back to the lease company?
Anyone know what the future fleet size plans are?
Anyone know what the future fleet size plans are?
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Mega base
Jusy my opinion but all eggs in a EMA megabase, i dont think that will work. Mega base = drawing passengers from far and wide. The baby brand is not an Easyjet or Ryanair brand. I just dont think it has a cat in hells chance of surviving if that happens. Main routes fine, marginal routes forget it.
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Summer Fleet / bases
The first 737 hand back is under way with another to follow shortly, still no news on extending lease's or LH 737 classic's a few rumours doing the rounds now about some (5) 319 joining the fleet, but from where? and who will be flying them (mainline crews?) ( Germanwings on behalf of Baby?) or baby 737 crews type conversion.
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Why close your largest operating base eh? Yes relocate from your smaller bases makes sense. Re-schedule to make better fleet utlisation to cover aircraft capacity needs. Use Airbus capacity to fill MAN requirements.
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Any rumours flying around are just that. No one in the whole of the bmi universe knows what the Germans are going to say until they say it. The current culling of flights is simply to stem the losses this winter which is apparently looking really tough, not just for baby but the whole industry. The only speculation worthwhile is when the Germans will break their silence and will there then be some kind of Chamberlainesc broadcast from Tiny Town passing on the "good" (heavy sarcasm cos it ain't going to be) news.
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The first 737 hand back is under way with another to follow shortly, still no news on extending lease's or LH 737 classic's a few rumours doing the rounds now about some (5) 319 joining the fleet, but from where? and who will be flying them (mainline crews?) ( Germanwings on behalf of Baby?) or baby 737 crews type conversion.
Aside: the utilization of the 7 aircraft isn't great with some spending up to two hours at LHR in between flights.
Lufthansa has a results announcement due tomorrow to the markets, and there is a general expectation that this will contain some information about bmi, if only to disclose the full extent of current losses. It may - or equally may not - include something about its future strategy for bmi. One would think that the worse the losses are, the more likely it is to be forced to set out a future strategy to retain market confidence that it is doing something to dig itself out of the abyss. Will have to wait and see, but there are no guarantees that tomorrow will bring any news of great importance.
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Lufthansa Release
Adhoc Release pursuant to §15 of the Securities Trading Act (WpHG)
Against the background of a persistently difficult environment characterised by continuing demand and price weakness the Lufthansa Group generated revenue of EUR 16.2bn (-13.2 per cent) in the first nine months of 2009.
The achieved operating profit of EUR 226m (previous year: EUR 954m) includes also first-time earnings contributions from Austrian Airlines and British Midland totalling EUR 28m as well as earnings from the reversal of a badwill as a result of the initial consolidation of Austrian Airlines (EUR 61m). The net loss for the period was EUR -32m (previous year: net profit of EUR 529m). Last year's figures have been adjusted in line with measurement changes under IFRIC 13.
The Lufthansa Group's earnings continue to be subject to very considerable risks as a result of volume and price trends and renewed oil price increases. A sharp drop in revenue and continued pressure on earnings is therefore expected for the full year. Negative earnings contributions are also anticipated from the new companies in the airline group over the months ahead. Business performance in the fourth quarter will therefore be a deciding factor in whether these factors can be successfully compensated for and the goal of a positive operating result for the now expanded Group can still be achieved.
Further details and the complete interim report will be published by Lufthansa on 29 October 2009. The information will be available on the internet from 8.00 a.m. CET at Lufthansa -Investor Relations.
Against the background of a persistently difficult environment characterised by continuing demand and price weakness the Lufthansa Group generated revenue of EUR 16.2bn (-13.2 per cent) in the first nine months of 2009.
The achieved operating profit of EUR 226m (previous year: EUR 954m) includes also first-time earnings contributions from Austrian Airlines and British Midland totalling EUR 28m as well as earnings from the reversal of a badwill as a result of the initial consolidation of Austrian Airlines (EUR 61m). The net loss for the period was EUR -32m (previous year: net profit of EUR 529m). Last year's figures have been adjusted in line with measurement changes under IFRIC 13.
The Lufthansa Group's earnings continue to be subject to very considerable risks as a result of volume and price trends and renewed oil price increases. A sharp drop in revenue and continued pressure on earnings is therefore expected for the full year. Negative earnings contributions are also anticipated from the new companies in the airline group over the months ahead. Business performance in the fourth quarter will therefore be a deciding factor in whether these factors can be successfully compensated for and the goal of a positive operating result for the now expanded Group can still be achieved.
Further details and the complete interim report will be published by Lufthansa on 29 October 2009. The information will be available on the internet from 8.00 a.m. CET at Lufthansa -Investor Relations.