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Rumour within BA was that first choice was back to LGW. There we would be able to utilise our own ground services / warehouse etc. MSE is still under consideration but LGW would make good sense for us. I doubt there will be any move away from LHR for some time as the BAWC building cost agreat deal.
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HZ123 Thanks for your acknowledgement - respect!
Interesting stuff about LHR and BAWC. They have a huge investment there, and, of course, lots of the cargo handled is belly-freight. Could you say a bit more about how MSE is being considered?
Back in Wiggins days they were courting Singapore.
Interesting stuff about LHR and BAWC. They have a huge investment there, and, of course, lots of the cargo handled is belly-freight. Could you say a bit more about how MSE is being considered?
Back in Wiggins days they were courting Singapore.
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No doubt it will be a noisy, raucous meeting at the council offices tonight, finger's crossed they make the right decision for the airport and Thanet and don't bow to pressure from the NIMBYs 
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No disrespect HZ123 but your sources at BAWC have proved wholly unreliable to date! Gatwick is not an option for BAWC whilst Virgin and Easyjet are still in talks with BAA about the airports furture. At this stage the only move under consideration is the Stansted traffic. Whether or not BAWC are just being cute and using Manston as a bargining chip with Stansted or whether they are wholly committed only time will tell.
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What no knockers?
Where have all the knockers gone? The local culprits and LTN lads usually rush to stick the knife in as soon as anything positive is mentioned on here - come on chaps surely you must have a point of view on what's happening ?
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at long last its a feather in our caps, why spoil things,they got what the have worked for ,many a firm would haven given up a long time a go .cant wait.what will be there first job ,runway ,terminal, moor cargo space.i live around the flight path ,and the noise is nothing to what it use to be many years ago,when the americans were in charge good luck.
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I truly hope that this is a game of chess and Bawc do not move away, lets not forget that we all need to make a living and in this case Manston's gain would be our loss, quite a few infact!!!!
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Furmanek; It is a rumour I state no more. It makes no difference to BA who owns LGW, we have a cargo warehouse there which could be utilised to a far greater extent than at present. Cargo at this time like everything else in the industry is not doing too well. It would make good sense, we can easily give up a number of our EU LGW slots to facilitate these services.
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In view of the scepticism expressed by some posters, I reproduce part of the paper sent to the Council by Matt Clarke, MSE CEO. Looks as though it's going to the wire!
Kent International Airport Variation to s.106 Agreement
Background
KIA has been actively negotiating with a significant long haul European air freight carrier with a view to re-locating an existing air cargo operation from its existing hub to KIA. The commencement of this activity at KIA would have the effect of delivering approximately 400 employment opportunities to the area.
Until the end of February, when the operator will be in a position to confirm the contract with Infratil, it is not possible to name the carrier. The airline is a significant operator which will be a new entrant to KIA.
On Thursday the 29th of January a meeting was held, during which the final key points for agreement were discussed. During this meeting, it was noted that the aircraft operator is required to make a decision urgently, and is not in a position to award the business to KIA without assurance that the restrictions on night-time flying can be modified as required to physically enable the operation. If a contract is agreed in February flights may start as early as May, and not later than October 2009.
The cargo operation concerned operates scheduled cargo services, with several flights required to be scheduled to arrive or depart KIA between 0600 and 0700. The operator needs the ability to schedule flights up to 2330 in line with operational hours in place at the competitor airport.
The airport operator requests the adoption of a variation in line with the S106 agreement such that this operation would be permitted to go ahead. Enabling this activity would establish the base for a sustainable airport at Manston, along with securing a significant number of up front local employment opportunities.
Nature of Activity
The proposed cargo operation would involve the re-location of an existing European air freight business to KIA. The airport would become the centre for a globally recognised freight operator, requiring the relocation of pilots, freight forwarding staff, administration staff, logistics providers, aircraft engineers, caterers, cleaners etc. As well as the employment activity generated by these agencies, the airport itself would employ a further 54 staff to accommodate the increased business. Based on examples found at other UK airports, this level of activity would lead to a further 300 indirect employment opportunities.
The 11 weekly aircraft turnarounds would be scheduled to operate between the hours of 0600 and 2330, in line with the hours available at the aircraft operator's current airport in use. The aircraft fleet employed would be 747-400 series, rated QC4 on departure and QC2 on arrival. The nature of the shipments would be general cargo, involving consolidating, deconsolidating and logistics centres based at the airport site.
Due to the extensive project required to relocate the operation, the carrier has a requirement for certainty that during the next ten years they will be able to operate their business in a stable regulatory environment.
Kent International Airport Variation to s.106 Agreement
Background
KIA has been actively negotiating with a significant long haul European air freight carrier with a view to re-locating an existing air cargo operation from its existing hub to KIA. The commencement of this activity at KIA would have the effect of delivering approximately 400 employment opportunities to the area.
Until the end of February, when the operator will be in a position to confirm the contract with Infratil, it is not possible to name the carrier. The airline is a significant operator which will be a new entrant to KIA.
On Thursday the 29th of January a meeting was held, during which the final key points for agreement were discussed. During this meeting, it was noted that the aircraft operator is required to make a decision urgently, and is not in a position to award the business to KIA without assurance that the restrictions on night-time flying can be modified as required to physically enable the operation. If a contract is agreed in February flights may start as early as May, and not later than October 2009.
The cargo operation concerned operates scheduled cargo services, with several flights required to be scheduled to arrive or depart KIA between 0600 and 0700. The operator needs the ability to schedule flights up to 2330 in line with operational hours in place at the competitor airport.
The airport operator requests the adoption of a variation in line with the S106 agreement such that this operation would be permitted to go ahead. Enabling this activity would establish the base for a sustainable airport at Manston, along with securing a significant number of up front local employment opportunities.
Nature of Activity
The proposed cargo operation would involve the re-location of an existing European air freight business to KIA. The airport would become the centre for a globally recognised freight operator, requiring the relocation of pilots, freight forwarding staff, administration staff, logistics providers, aircraft engineers, caterers, cleaners etc. As well as the employment activity generated by these agencies, the airport itself would employ a further 54 staff to accommodate the increased business. Based on examples found at other UK airports, this level of activity would lead to a further 300 indirect employment opportunities.
The 11 weekly aircraft turnarounds would be scheduled to operate between the hours of 0600 and 2330, in line with the hours available at the aircraft operator's current airport in use. The aircraft fleet employed would be 747-400 series, rated QC4 on departure and QC2 on arrival. The nature of the shipments would be general cargo, involving consolidating, deconsolidating and logistics centres based at the airport site.
Due to the extensive project required to relocate the operation, the carrier has a requirement for certainty that during the next ten years they will be able to operate their business in a stable regulatory environment.
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22 posts here since the 8th of Feb. Even with the rumoured BA move that would still be more posts than total turnarounds of all metal from all airlines in the same timescale. 
Also 353 direct and indirect jobs created out of just 11 turnarounds a week. Someone is having a laugh
Saying all of that I do wish Manston a prosperous future. Not sure it will achieve it in the short to medium term though. Just hope they are still around for the long term.
Also 353 direct and indirect jobs created out of just 11 turnarounds a week. Someone is having a laugh
Saying all of that I do wish Manston a prosperous future. Not sure it will achieve it in the short to medium term though. Just hope they are still around for the long term.
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Sorry, but I have it on good authority that BAWC (or Global Supply Systems as the 747-400F operation is known) will not be moving to MSE. It was considered but discarded. Your young new CEO is just running the story up the flagpole to see how it flies I'm afraid.
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thanet employment
3,500 unemployed, but as we know from events in Lincolnshire, Manston can't promise thanet jobs for thanet people.
City airport is slap bang in the middle of Newham, which is further down the deprivation chart than Thanet is.
And Manston is not going to create anywhere near 3,500 jobs in the next 20 years. Maybe a couple of hundred extra, if it ever gets off the ground, excuse the pun.
Thanet needs something, but its not the airport thanks.
City airport is slap bang in the middle of Newham, which is further down the deprivation chart than Thanet is.
And Manston is not going to create anywhere near 3,500 jobs in the next 20 years. Maybe a couple of hundred extra, if it ever gets off the ground, excuse the pun.
Thanet needs something, but its not the airport thanks.
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I think you will find that most of the jobs will be local jobs, as when EUjet and MK were in full flight ( excuse the pun!!!) please tell, if its not an airport you want, what is it?? more cabbage fields to pay huge wages to the employees who pick them!! perhaps another golf course, for all the retired people in thanet. Its nice to see the Thanet Earth project working so well, (paid) it a visit the other day ,full of eastern Europe workers.
Please, the people of Thanet have more to offer than picking fruit and veg, if the Airport were to work it would supply work for the local people, but not just work, an excellent and hugely enjoyable experience, as all on PPRUNE who actually have anthing to do with avation will tell you.
Please, the people of Thanet have more to offer than picking fruit and veg, if the Airport were to work it would supply work for the local people, but not just work, an excellent and hugely enjoyable experience, as all on PPRUNE who actually have anthing to do with avation will tell you.
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Iris Air
Air Cargo news are reporting that:
NEW Ghana-registered cargo airline, Iris Air, has begun operations with its DC8-62F aircraft, registered 9GAED. Iris Air has appointed ECO Administration as its general sales agent and Tony Knight, who was with Intavia/AIA until it ceased trading, has joined the company as its new commercial director.
Following a cargo flight from Kent International Airport (Manston), the aircraft then positioned into Liege. Knight said: “We have chosen Kent and Liege as our UK and Mainland Europe bases for their convenient locations, and their helpful and supporting cargo handling staff and management.
“The aircraft is fully equipped for worldwide operations and I am pleased to say that we have a number of flights already booked for February and despite the market being a little quiet at the moment, we are looking forward to a busy and successful operation in 2009. I believe that the DC8-62F is economically the best narrow-body cargo aircraft available for payloads of 40 tons, and is suitable for all types of cargo, including livestock and horses.
NEW Ghana-registered cargo airline, Iris Air, has begun operations with its DC8-62F aircraft, registered 9GAED. Iris Air has appointed ECO Administration as its general sales agent and Tony Knight, who was with Intavia/AIA until it ceased trading, has joined the company as its new commercial director.
Following a cargo flight from Kent International Airport (Manston), the aircraft then positioned into Liege. Knight said: “We have chosen Kent and Liege as our UK and Mainland Europe bases for their convenient locations, and their helpful and supporting cargo handling staff and management.
“The aircraft is fully equipped for worldwide operations and I am pleased to say that we have a number of flights already booked for February and despite the market being a little quiet at the moment, we are looking forward to a busy and successful operation in 2009. I believe that the DC8-62F is economically the best narrow-body cargo aircraft available for payloads of 40 tons, and is suitable for all types of cargo, including livestock and horses.