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It should be noted that EI are consolidating a few US flights every week. Im not sure if this is to keep loads higher or because they are down an aircraft at the moment (a brand new -300 EI-EDY is expected this week, I believe).
Look, it's tough times for everyone at the moment, from the man on the dole to the man running the country. Ryanair, easyJet, BA, everyone is feeling the pinch, at the very least EI are attempting to grow out of the situation. This idea was employed in 2002 by Ryanair and easyJet allowing them to get their foot in the door at a low cost. Aer Lingus needed to do something because it's traditional ORK, DUB and SNN markets are not large enough to sustain it into the future, to get the results expected of a publicly traded company.
Brian.
Look, it's tough times for everyone at the moment, from the man on the dole to the man running the country. Ryanair, easyJet, BA, everyone is feeling the pinch, at the very least EI are attempting to grow out of the situation. This idea was employed in 2002 by Ryanair and easyJet allowing them to get their foot in the door at a low cost. Aer Lingus needed to do something because it's traditional ORK, DUB and SNN markets are not large enough to sustain it into the future, to get the results expected of a publicly traded company.
Brian.
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Following stats from Track Flight Status, Airport Delays and other Flight and Airport Information
79.2% of Aer Lingus top 20 flights go on time....
79.2% of Ryanair top 20 flights go on time.....
Identical on time record. However, when it goes wrong look below for real statistics.
If you keep on giving out one liners like "Europe's low cost airline" "Europe's most on time airline", people tend to believe the spin. You are paid to say these things so I never take it personally. But statistics don't lie......
Average delay with Aer Lingus if a flight is delayed is 18 mins.
Average delay with Ryanair if a flight is delayed is 25 mins.
Average MAX delay in worst case scenario with Aer Lingus is 135.6 mins
Average MAX delay worst case scenario with Ryanair is 230.3 mins
So that means that Aer Lingus matches and actually exceed Ryanair in all aspects of it's on time statistics.
The statistics don't lie. What they show is a low cost airline competing agressively with Ryanair in all areas.
Where Aer Lingus wins hands down is the extra efforts made in the event of an unfortunate unavoidable delay. Aer Lingus will always push to get the passengers out eventually. Ryanair simply do not make the same effort. The statistics bear this out.
What one must remember is Aer Lingus serves major hubs to major international airports. Even with Ryanair flying into mainly small, countryside airports miles from anywhere they still lose hands down to Aer Lingus with on time statistics. Amazing really, coming from Europe's most on time......sorry, Europe's most complained about airline.
While I'm here....
Ryanair pre tax loss in year to March 2009 is £155,000,000.
Aer Lingus pre tax loss in year to March 2009 is £103,900,000.
So again Aer Lingus ahead of it's main competitor.
79.2% of Aer Lingus top 20 flights go on time....
79.2% of Ryanair top 20 flights go on time.....
Identical on time record. However, when it goes wrong look below for real statistics.
If you keep on giving out one liners like "Europe's low cost airline" "Europe's most on time airline", people tend to believe the spin. You are paid to say these things so I never take it personally. But statistics don't lie......
Average delay with Aer Lingus if a flight is delayed is 18 mins.
Average delay with Ryanair if a flight is delayed is 25 mins.
Average MAX delay in worst case scenario with Aer Lingus is 135.6 mins
Average MAX delay worst case scenario with Ryanair is 230.3 mins
So that means that Aer Lingus matches and actually exceed Ryanair in all aspects of it's on time statistics.
The statistics don't lie. What they show is a low cost airline competing agressively with Ryanair in all areas.
Where Aer Lingus wins hands down is the extra efforts made in the event of an unfortunate unavoidable delay. Aer Lingus will always push to get the passengers out eventually. Ryanair simply do not make the same effort. The statistics bear this out.
What one must remember is Aer Lingus serves major hubs to major international airports. Even with Ryanair flying into mainly small, countryside airports miles from anywhere they still lose hands down to Aer Lingus with on time statistics. Amazing really, coming from Europe's most on time......sorry, Europe's most complained about airline.
While I'm here....
Ryanair pre tax loss in year to March 2009 is £155,000,000.
Aer Lingus pre tax loss in year to March 2009 is £103,900,000.
So again Aer Lingus ahead of it's main competitor.
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Unfortunately, in Cork - and to an extent in Dublin - Aer Lingus went down the all their eggs in one basket track.
Routes like Malaga, Faro and Alicante were great when everyone was borrowing money and living beyond their means, but they had only one income stream outbound Irish leisure passengers.
And routes with a better mix of passengers were allowed to stagnate.
I can guarantee you that routes like Paris and Amsterdam are not suffering as badly. In addition to Irish leisure passengers, they get inbound leisure passengers and business passengers. But yet these routes saw their frequencies reduced to make way for the sun routes.
And as for places like Dusseldorf and Frankfurt. Those only take inbound leisure passengers and business travellers. They require some marketing. Too much like hard work. Easier to not even consider them.
But now we're in a different economy, the folly of pursuing the easy passenger is starting to become clear.
Routes like Malaga, Faro and Alicante were great when everyone was borrowing money and living beyond their means, but they had only one income stream outbound Irish leisure passengers.
And routes with a better mix of passengers were allowed to stagnate.
I can guarantee you that routes like Paris and Amsterdam are not suffering as badly. In addition to Irish leisure passengers, they get inbound leisure passengers and business passengers. But yet these routes saw their frequencies reduced to make way for the sun routes.
And as for places like Dusseldorf and Frankfurt. Those only take inbound leisure passengers and business travellers. They require some marketing. Too much like hard work. Easier to not even consider them.
But now we're in a different economy, the folly of pursuing the easy passenger is starting to become clear.
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It was all going so well until you brought the losses up!
FR's losses are mainly due to their investments in EI. They do not appear to be operational, where as EI's are. Also, Aer Lingus has about 40 aircraft, Ryanair 192 at last count. So to 'equal' Aer Lingus' loss FR would need to loose about half a billion.
Brian.
FR's losses are mainly due to their investments in EI. They do not appear to be operational, where as EI's are. Also, Aer Lingus has about 40 aircraft, Ryanair 192 at last count. So to 'equal' Aer Lingus' loss FR would need to loose about half a billion.
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I'm led to believe that a sizeable chunck of EI losses are attributed to staff redundancy/lay off programme which are not operational and more extraordinary losses. The redundancy programme was somewhere in the region of E40/E50million. Maybe someone would have more exact figures????
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EI and bucket and shovel routes from ORK
If EI want to diversify ORK CDG at twice daily should work. Also a destination like Milan would attract inbound tourists as well as outbound city breakers and holiday makers bound for the lakes and mountains of Northern Italy.
They already feed KLM and BA hubs at AMS and LHR. A similar arrangement with LH at FRA might make a daily service from Cork more viable.
In any event over reliance on Sun routes is a dangerous strategy in these recessionary times.
I don't think the runway at Cork is an issue with pilots who need to divert from Dublin. It's just that Belfast and Shannon are closer. Also in the past inbound diversions were regarded as a nuisance at Cork rather than a source of additional revenue and airlines were even told they wern't wanted .
Whether or not that's still the case I cannot say.
They already feed KLM and BA hubs at AMS and LHR. A similar arrangement with LH at FRA might make a daily service from Cork more viable.
In any event over reliance on Sun routes is a dangerous strategy in these recessionary times.
I don't think the runway at Cork is an issue with pilots who need to divert from Dublin. It's just that Belfast and Shannon are closer. Also in the past inbound diversions were regarded as a nuisance at Cork rather than a source of additional revenue and airlines were even told they wern't wanted .
Whether or not that's still the case I cannot say.
I'm led to believe that a sizeable chunck of EI losses are attributed to staff redundancy/lay off programme which are not operational and more extraordinary losses. The redundancy programme was somewhere in the region of E40/E50million. Maybe someone would have more exact figures????
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Buckets n spades
I'm not too sure the bucket and spade routes are doing that bad... have any of you guys tried to book a seat this summer? It's almost impossible to get a seat AGP - ORK for less than 200 Euros one way. So either EI are pricing themselves out of the market and flying empty planes or they are filling them to a certain extent.
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New routes for Gatwick this fall!
New routes have been announced on Aer Lingus' website:
- Gatwick-Eindhoven (daily)
- Gatwick-Warsaw (daily)
- Gatwick-Bucharest (daily)
- Gatwick-Lanzarote (3x/wk)
- Gatwick-Tenerife (4x/wk)
- Gatwick-Vilnius (daily)
That's good news!
- Gatwick-Eindhoven (daily)
- Gatwick-Warsaw (daily)
- Gatwick-Bucharest (daily)
- Gatwick-Lanzarote (3x/wk)
- Gatwick-Tenerife (4x/wk)
- Gatwick-Vilnius (daily)
That's good news!
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Could be good routes, EIN, WAW, VNO and OTP are not served by EZY from LGW.
It's like EI started MUC, ZRH and VIE and then EZY announced these destinations. But I doubt EZY will fly to EIN or VNO. Maybe WAW, OTP/BBU and BRU could be interesting for them.
VNO starting 10th September, the rest 25th Oct (ACE 27th Oct). Will AGP, NCE and FAO be reduced over the winter?
It's like EI started MUC, ZRH and VIE and then EZY announced these destinations. But I doubt EZY will fly to EIN or VNO. Maybe WAW, OTP/BBU and BRU could be interesting for them.
VNO starting 10th September, the rest 25th Oct (ACE 27th Oct). Will AGP, NCE and FAO be reduced over the winter?
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Bingaling and any other reader viewing his propaganda
How many flights do Ryr operate in comparison? Not a true comparison. EI fleet is far smaller, not as many routes and longer turnarounds which allows for the absortion of minor delays.
Ryr a/c operate far more sectors on a daily basis and work with a tighter turnaround. So im sorry but I refute your post regarding who has better on time performance when one is a goldfish and the other is a shark!
Also EI is not and will never be a true low cost carrier. Offering business cabins on L/H flights, outside of the business structure, pre bookable seats and papers, outside of the business structure and finally flexible tickets don't really fit in with the LCC structure either.
Ryr a/c operate far more sectors on a daily basis and work with a tighter turnaround. So im sorry but I refute your post regarding who has better on time performance when one is a goldfish and the other is a shark!
Also EI is not and will never be a true low cost carrier. Offering business cabins on L/H flights, outside of the business structure, pre bookable seats and papers, outside of the business structure and finally flexible tickets don't really fit in with the LCC structure either.
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LGW-EIN one daily with an A320, didn't see that one coming from an Eindhoven perspective.
But sure nice to have Aer Lingus down here, though I wonder how they will be doing competing with Ryanair 2x daily to STN for the leisure passengers. And cityjets 2x daily to LCY for the business passengers.
But sure nice to have Aer Lingus down here, though I wonder how they will be doing competing with Ryanair 2x daily to STN for the leisure passengers. And cityjets 2x daily to LCY for the business passengers.
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Ryr a/c operate far more sectors on a daily basis and work with a tighter turnaround. So im sorry but I refute your post regarding who has better on time performance when one is a goldfish and the other is a shark!
A passenger arriving at the airport is only interested if the flight is on-time or delayed and by how long, not the aircraft utilisation for the day. "Oh I don't mind my FR flight being delayed, as the aircraft has already operated 4 sectors today, rather than .....", doubt many passengers would think that way.
How many flights do Ryr operate in comparison? Not a true comparison.
Whether EI are a true lost cost airline or not, regardless of business class on LH, seat allocation, etc, why should this influence the on-time performance?
At the end of the day MOL with his huge media following, should not be making false claims re FR performance, if they can be confirmed as false or inaccurate. If accurate and honest, then let him sing it from the rooftops if he fancies.
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Yeah, now it looks like starting 25 Oct but today in the morning there was the 10th Sep. on their homepage
AGP double daily and FAO daily during winter
EI at LGW:
13 daily departures to 12 destinations with 5 a/c next winter vs. 12 daily departures to 7 destinations with 4 a/c this summer.
AGP double daily and FAO daily during winter
EI at LGW:
13 daily departures to 12 destinations with 5 a/c next winter vs. 12 daily departures to 7 destinations with 4 a/c this summer.
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I got a bit curious so started playing around with the schedules. It appears each aircraft will fly the routes below.
AC1 LGW-FAO-LGW-EIN-LGW-AGP-LGW
AC2 LGW-MUC-LGW-NOC-LGW-WAW-LGW
AC3 LGW-VIE-LGW-ZRH-LGW-MUC-LGW
AC4 LGW-AGP-LGW-OTP-LGW
AC5 LGW-VNO-LGW-ACE/TFS-LGW
DUB1 DUB-LGW-DUB-LGW-DUB-LGW-DUB-LGW-DUB
As mention above, NCE no longer appears to be within the network, which is a shame. But also could mean good things. Maybe NCE is the only route that EI are struggling on with U2.
And looks like DUB is down from 5 daily, which it increased to a month or so back. Again, perhaps this was just keeping the slots warm for this.
Anyhow, awesome news all round! Can't wait to try some of these services out.
AC1 LGW-FAO-LGW-EIN-LGW-AGP-LGW
AC2 LGW-MUC-LGW-NOC-LGW-WAW-LGW
AC3 LGW-VIE-LGW-ZRH-LGW-MUC-LGW
AC4 LGW-AGP-LGW-OTP-LGW
AC5 LGW-VNO-LGW-ACE/TFS-LGW
DUB1 DUB-LGW-DUB-LGW-DUB-LGW-DUB-LGW-DUB
As mention above, NCE no longer appears to be within the network, which is a shame. But also could mean good things. Maybe NCE is the only route that EI are struggling on with U2.
And looks like DUB is down from 5 daily, which it increased to a month or so back. Again, perhaps this was just keeping the slots warm for this.
Anyhow, awesome news all round! Can't wait to try some of these services out.
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Yes, I agree. No surprises here and real additions for the LGW network.
EIN is indeed interesting, Aer Lingus competing with RYR on the low fares leisure market and competing with VLM for the business travellers. In the past KLM did LHR with good loads of Philips Industries business travellers who had to travel to southwest London, so LGW isn't so bad at all!
for the guys at Aer Lingus!
EIN is indeed interesting, Aer Lingus competing with RYR on the low fares leisure market and competing with VLM for the business travellers. In the past KLM did LHR with good loads of Philips Industries business travellers who had to travel to southwest London, so LGW isn't so bad at all!
for the guys at Aer Lingus!
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I wonder will they ever consider opening a mainland europe base .
Also, it might be good to consider a domestic route from Gatwick in Britain such as the North of Scotland - Aberdeen...
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