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EI reach 1m at Bfs.
Rte are reporting that Ei have taken 1m booking at Bfs since starting. Good result also on Lhr for April. Link here
RTÉ News: Aer Lingus takes 1m bookings in Belfast
Stand by for incoming, bad decision, base closing, Ei going under etc etc. Isn't it amazing how many want Ei to fail rather than hoping that they are a success. And I have no link to Ei of any kind.
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RTÉ News: Aer Lingus takes 1m bookings in Belfast
Stand by for incoming, bad decision, base closing, Ei going under etc etc. Isn't it amazing how many want Ei to fail rather than hoping that they are a success. And I have no link to Ei of any kind.
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Some time ago, EI was reported to have been in talks with Airbus about cancelling its two remaining A330s (for delivery next year) and taking on new A320s, to replace those which are due to leave the fleet when their leases expire.
Has anything more come of this? Are negotiations still ongoing?
Has anything more come of this? Are negotiations still ongoing?
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Well it was said that some Gatwick based crew had been given Aer Lingus branded long-haul travel bags which are only given to A330 trained staff so it could be possible.
Looks like Aer Lingus will have a good bank holiday weekend from Gatwick, well at least on the Nice route as it is sold out for Friday 22nd and Saturday 23rd with high fares either side of those dates. Malaga, Faro and Knock looking quite busy over the weekend as well but not quite sold out yet.
Looks like Aer Lingus will have a good bank holiday weekend from Gatwick, well at least on the Nice route as it is sold out for Friday 22nd and Saturday 23rd with high fares either side of those dates. Malaga, Faro and Knock looking quite busy over the weekend as well but not quite sold out yet.
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CPT - nice try!
I think the South African's are upset enough that there are two UK carriers versus SAA on the UK-SA routes. Open Skies in this market is some way off just yet, so it is rather lost on me how anyone thinks an Irish carrier would be able to do that!
Agreed, with EU-US open skies a reality and EU-Canada open skies coming soon the world is a considerably more liberal place than it was 20 years ago. But I think we all forget sometimes that there are still vast areas outside the EU and North America where things remain considerably more regulated..
I think the South African's are upset enough that there are two UK carriers versus SAA on the UK-SA routes. Open Skies in this market is some way off just yet, so it is rather lost on me how anyone thinks an Irish carrier would be able to do that!
Agreed, with EU-US open skies a reality and EU-Canada open skies coming soon the world is a considerably more liberal place than it was 20 years ago. But I think we all forget sometimes that there are still vast areas outside the EU and North America where things remain considerably more regulated..
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two words Steve, Open and Skies. LHR was opened up and DL, NW, CO and US paid millions for slots. Aircraft and crews were redeployed. I'm not sure how successful it has been for the airlines concerned, they left established routes to compete in a high yield pool.
What might have been slightly ignored was the cost of entry and the massive loyalty the high-yield fliers would have to BA, AA, UA and VS.
New transatlantic links in this economy? Even from London, with the current EI product? I think not. While Paddy Irishman might put up with the "twill do" attitude Paddy Englishman certainly will not.
What might have been slightly ignored was the cost of entry and the massive loyalty the high-yield fliers would have to BA, AA, UA and VS.
New transatlantic links in this economy? Even from London, with the current EI product? I think not. While Paddy Irishman might put up with the "twill do" attitude Paddy Englishman certainly will not.
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Aircraft and crews were redeployed. I'm not sure how successful it has been for the airlines concerned, they left established routes to compete in a high yield pool.
The difference is that LGW flights are historically filled from the back forwards and LHR flights are filled from the front backwards.
Same aircraft, same route ( US - London ) attracts more high yield front end passengers due to massive connectivity at LHR. That's why aircraft for aircraft, BA's yields plummeted when they moved a load of B747-400s and B777-200s from LHR to LGW to expand the network due to lack of room to grow at LHR. The high end yields stayed at LHR and flew with the competition, hence BA lost a F O R T U N E and moved the fleet back to LHR a few years later.
racedo, without access to profit and loss by route and yield, the actual numbers aren't that useful.
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Skipness, fair point. The trouble for the American carriers, as I see it, is getting a return on the massive investment they have made in LHR slots. Im not sure many loyal BA, UA, AA or VS flyers thought "Oh good, continental/Us air/delta/NWA have arrived at LHR, they have one/two flights a day (757s even), an inferior hard product to BA, VS and even, God help us, AA.
If you held status with any of the incumbent carriers, would you really change? Many companies would have corporate contracts with the LHR carriers, especially BA who can offer wordwide flights direct from London. I don't think the American carriers really added anything to the LHR party except depressing yields - the whole point of the move was to increase yields, surely - apparently loads fell off a cliff after the move. Many LGW fliers DO NOT want to fly from LHR, for reasons such as location and less stress!
Having said all of that, I'm not convinced that there is much of a market for EI at LGW in terms of long haul, the transatlantic market is suffering ATM and EI have yet to get their product and marketing right for long-haul.
If you held status with any of the incumbent carriers, would you really change? Many companies would have corporate contracts with the LHR carriers, especially BA who can offer wordwide flights direct from London. I don't think the American carriers really added anything to the LHR party except depressing yields - the whole point of the move was to increase yields, surely - apparently loads fell off a cliff after the move. Many LGW fliers DO NOT want to fly from LHR, for reasons such as location and less stress!
Having said all of that, I'm not convinced that there is much of a market for EI at LGW in terms of long haul, the transatlantic market is suffering ATM and EI have yet to get their product and marketing right for long-haul.
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The major difference you get is when things go wrong. When that happens, EI try to sort things out, while FR's attitude could scarcely be any different. But until you've done enough flying to discover that, it's not going to inform your choice.
Otherwise, EI have a frequent flyer programme and cabin crew who are fluent in English, but not too much difference for a point to point flight.
MUFC_fan->With two airlines on the route at the moment, it wouldn't seem that likely. And even if both did fail the fact that two competing airlines have been making a go of it would suggest there's a market there for others to take up.
Otherwise, EI have a frequent flyer programme and cabin crew who are fluent in English, but not too much difference for a point to point flight.
MUFC_fan->With two airlines on the route at the moment, it wouldn't seem that likely. And even if both did fail the fact that two competing airlines have been making a go of it would suggest there's a market there for others to take up.
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Refusing to fly FR
I also will not ever fly FR , except they were the last aircraft before the Taliban arrived!!
Simple reason, I refuse to be treated like cattle, they have absolutely no idea how to treat customers, from from the awful website, rip off price structure where everything is now a charge, no service at all at airports, no seat selection, endless announcements by cabin crew, flogging you all kinds of rubbish, fly to airports miles from anywhere, and this is when things are going well!! I dont know where they get the staff, worst in the world, both on the ground and in the air. "Ryanair" trained now used to show how it should not be done.
Any problems abroad and the staff vanish, you are on your own, make your own way home pal, costs you 600-700 euro, tough.
My greatest fear is that MOL succeeds in taking over EI, and this will be the only service available from IRL.
I know nothing about FR pilots and aircraft maintenance, but I would not be confident that it would be as good as regular carriers. MOL has said his greatest fear is an accident, I wonder why he mentioned it?
Simple reason, I refuse to be treated like cattle, they have absolutely no idea how to treat customers, from from the awful website, rip off price structure where everything is now a charge, no service at all at airports, no seat selection, endless announcements by cabin crew, flogging you all kinds of rubbish, fly to airports miles from anywhere, and this is when things are going well!! I dont know where they get the staff, worst in the world, both on the ground and in the air. "Ryanair" trained now used to show how it should not be done.
Any problems abroad and the staff vanish, you are on your own, make your own way home pal, costs you 600-700 euro, tough.
My greatest fear is that MOL succeeds in taking over EI, and this will be the only service available from IRL.
I know nothing about FR pilots and aircraft maintenance, but I would not be confident that it would be as good as regular carriers. MOL has said his greatest fear is an accident, I wonder why he mentioned it?