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From todays Irish Independent, does not look good.
AIRLINE travellers may face more holiday misery as the fragile negotiations between Aer Lingus and its pilots have hit a major stumbling block, after the airline rejected the pilots' latest set of proposals.
Aer Lingus and its pilots have been involved in stilted negotiations since late August, when pilots suspended plans for a two-day strike.
That strike notice was prompted by pilots' opposition to the terms on offer for pilots at a new Aer Lingus base in Belfast, and unions have used the negotiations to push for major changes to those Belfast offers.
Resolution looked close on Tuesday, when pilots' union Ialpa sent Aer Lingus management proposals for employment at the Belfast base.
But Aer Lingus chief executive Dermot Mannion yesterday wrote to pilots and dismissed those proposals in their entirety, branding them unworkable and too costly and noting that they presented "no basis for resolution".
The development could have serious implications for the travelling public, as the pilots' strike notice remains in place, which means Aer Lingus' fleet can be grounded at just a week's notice.
Ialpa boss Evan Cullen said he could not comment on the union's next move until he had spoken to Ialpa's governing committee, many of whom are travelling this weekend. Mr Cullen added that a formal response would "probably come on Monday or Tuesday".
The difference between Aer Lingus and Ialpa centre on the terms pilots will work under.
Aer Lingus plans to employ pilots under terms and conditions that are more flexible than those in Dublin, while Ialpa's plans include giving Dublin pilots some special allowances for working in Belfast, and giving Belfast pilots similar terms and conditions to their colleagues in Dublin.
"What Ialpa proposed is an arrangement whereby not only are existing restrictive practices applied to Belfast operations but new ones are developed to supplement them," said Mr Mannion.
Unpalatable
A proposal about Aer Lingus paying some hotel expenses for Dublin pilots that travelled to Belfast is understood to have been particularly unpalatable.
Aer Lingus wants to recruit pilots on the open market, while Ialpa's proposals would see all captain slots filled from the Dublin ranks.
"The Ialpa proposals are designed to circumvent employment law in Northern Ireland, maximise Ialpa's ability to interfere with business decisions and ensure Belfast operations are restricted in terms of productivity, cost-effectiveness and flexibility," said Mr Mannion.
"Ialpa are asking us not to create a base, but a contrived and convoluted operation, whereby protection for current pilots is measured in terms of the inefficiency of the Belfast operation," he added.
Mr Mannion finished his letter by saying he would welcome a meeting with Ialpa, if there was a "genuine willingness from Ialpa to resolve these matters".
AIRLINE travellers may face more holiday misery as the fragile negotiations between Aer Lingus and its pilots have hit a major stumbling block, after the airline rejected the pilots' latest set of proposals.
Aer Lingus and its pilots have been involved in stilted negotiations since late August, when pilots suspended plans for a two-day strike.
That strike notice was prompted by pilots' opposition to the terms on offer for pilots at a new Aer Lingus base in Belfast, and unions have used the negotiations to push for major changes to those Belfast offers.
Resolution looked close on Tuesday, when pilots' union Ialpa sent Aer Lingus management proposals for employment at the Belfast base.
But Aer Lingus chief executive Dermot Mannion yesterday wrote to pilots and dismissed those proposals in their entirety, branding them unworkable and too costly and noting that they presented "no basis for resolution".
The development could have serious implications for the travelling public, as the pilots' strike notice remains in place, which means Aer Lingus' fleet can be grounded at just a week's notice.
Ialpa boss Evan Cullen said he could not comment on the union's next move until he had spoken to Ialpa's governing committee, many of whom are travelling this weekend. Mr Cullen added that a formal response would "probably come on Monday or Tuesday".
The difference between Aer Lingus and Ialpa centre on the terms pilots will work under.
Aer Lingus plans to employ pilots under terms and conditions that are more flexible than those in Dublin, while Ialpa's plans include giving Dublin pilots some special allowances for working in Belfast, and giving Belfast pilots similar terms and conditions to their colleagues in Dublin.
"What Ialpa proposed is an arrangement whereby not only are existing restrictive practices applied to Belfast operations but new ones are developed to supplement them," said Mr Mannion.
Unpalatable
A proposal about Aer Lingus paying some hotel expenses for Dublin pilots that travelled to Belfast is understood to have been particularly unpalatable.
Aer Lingus wants to recruit pilots on the open market, while Ialpa's proposals would see all captain slots filled from the Dublin ranks.
"The Ialpa proposals are designed to circumvent employment law in Northern Ireland, maximise Ialpa's ability to interfere with business decisions and ensure Belfast operations are restricted in terms of productivity, cost-effectiveness and flexibility," said Mr Mannion.
"Ialpa are asking us not to create a base, but a contrived and convoluted operation, whereby protection for current pilots is measured in terms of the inefficiency of the Belfast operation," he added.
Mr Mannion finished his letter by saying he would welcome a meeting with Ialpa, if there was a "genuine willingness from Ialpa to resolve these matters".
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Originally Posted by EI-RB
Some of the Work Practices that exist at EI are still from the Stone Age, how good old WW didn't get rid of these insane practices is beyond me.
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Not bad and eye catching. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWgyDkU2Y1g
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It's a nice advert, a bit too short but they also have billboards and other adverts around Northern Ireland.
I dont know why they use a different slogan. At most announcementa its always been "Aer Lingus, Reaching new heights" but in this ad they use "Enjoy Your Flight" which is fine but a bit boring seeing as every airline in the world is going to say "enjoy your flight" or something like that.
I dont know why they use a different slogan. At most announcementa its always been "Aer Lingus, Reaching new heights" but in this ad they use "Enjoy Your Flight" which is fine but a bit boring seeing as every airline in the world is going to say "enjoy your flight" or something like that.
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The Cha and Miah advert in relation to their Cork destinations is woeful? "What's a Munichonian? a Corkonian who flies to Munich with Aerlingus. Surely they could have come up with something better than that.
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Yep I noticed! They have used Cork a lot recently in adverts. They used shopping bags on Cork's baggage belt that said "seat sale" on them.
Good for them for choosing Ireland's best looking airport as the locations for their new adverts.
Good for them for choosing Ireland's best looking airport as the locations for their new adverts.
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Yous boys will be working for FR shortly if EI does not buck up properly.
Come on they are obvious. FR is highly efficient compared to EI.
Come on they are obvious. FR is highly efficient compared to EI.
You still haven't answered my question. Dare I suggest you haven't got a clue what you're talking about?
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Might be a bit harsh to suggest they deserve no jobs!!
I heard DM on the radio yesterday and he said an example of the work practices mentioned above were that employees (didnt say which area - not flight crew) work a 8 hour shift but it has become norm to only work 6 hours, on certain days they work the 8 hour shift but then claim 2 hours overtime.
I mean come on - how can that be acceptable in an industry as tough as this one is now.
Aer Lingus have applied to the EU to force Ryanair to sell their stake. I think this could be a risky move cos if ryanair does sell, they are gonna be annoyed and there is only going to be one airline they'll go after.
I heard DM on the radio yesterday and he said an example of the work practices mentioned above were that employees (didnt say which area - not flight crew) work a 8 hour shift but it has become norm to only work 6 hours, on certain days they work the 8 hour shift but then claim 2 hours overtime.
I mean come on - how can that be acceptable in an industry as tough as this one is now.
Aer Lingus have applied to the EU to force Ryanair to sell their stake. I think this could be a risky move cos if ryanair does sell, they are gonna be annoyed and there is only going to be one airline they'll go after.
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I think it's a good move to try and get FR to sell. It was either get taken over by FR or experience extreme competition from FR and right now EI is experiencing a bit of both.
Was Ryanair's intentions to actually take over EI? I dont think so, I think FR wanted to get a stake in EI and use it to damage them as much as possible and that's what they are doing. They are fighting for SNN, no idea why because FR only cares about profits and without EI to London they are bound to see passenger numbers rise. The only reason FR is doing this is to look like the good guy and make EI look even worse. Also trying to stop or getting the BFS base off to a bad start will be a plus for FR.
If FR loose their stake and they increase pressure on EI at DUB at least EI will be able to fight it somehow, they cant fight it when they are not in control but without Ryanair having a stake in them they can fight with routes, lower fares, better service, adverts ect.
Was Ryanair's intentions to actually take over EI? I dont think so, I think FR wanted to get a stake in EI and use it to damage them as much as possible and that's what they are doing. They are fighting for SNN, no idea why because FR only cares about profits and without EI to London they are bound to see passenger numbers rise. The only reason FR is doing this is to look like the good guy and make EI look even worse. Also trying to stop or getting the BFS base off to a bad start will be a plus for FR.
If FR loose their stake and they increase pressure on EI at DUB at least EI will be able to fight it somehow, they cant fight it when they are not in control but without Ryanair having a stake in them they can fight with routes, lower fares, better service, adverts ect.
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Dubai.
Perhaps I'm asking an old question here.
But are Aer Lingus dropping Dubai and if they are when are they dropping it. I'm being told by EI that's its due for review but they have not made a definite definite decision.
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But are Aer Lingus dropping Dubai and if they are when are they dropping it. I'm being told by EI that's its due for review but they have not made a definite definite decision.
Regards
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In a recent interveiw with Enda Corneille he said that Dubai had been performing well with a load factor of around 70% but the route is still under reveiw. If the route is cut for 2008, that capacity is likely to be used to increase the frequencies on existing US routes, rather than to create new routes.
Any new route launches were "unlikely" before October 2008.
http://www.independent.ie/business/e...l-1087938.html
Any new route launches were "unlikely" before October 2008.
http://www.independent.ie/business/e...l-1087938.html
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EI on youtube
saw this home made video of EI on youtube. at about 5m 36 sec there is a shot of whats looks like to be a presentation with an announcent of "new routes from BIRMINGHAM International"
Simple mistake or was BHX the original choice and BFS a last minute change of plans....? BHX would certainly have avoided the LHR/SNN slots uproar, along with making the foreign base issue a lot clearer.
any thoughts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nIEVtJI9SM
Simple mistake or was BHX the original choice and BFS a last minute change of plans....? BHX would certainly have avoided the LHR/SNN slots uproar, along with making the foreign base issue a lot clearer.
any thoughts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nIEVtJI9SM
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Aer Lingus was rumoured to be interested in Birmingham, Manchester and Glasgow. In the end it was down to BHX and BFS, I suppose Belfast was the easier option for EI. Maybe BHX will be looked at again in the future.
The clip from the video was actually recorded from a "mock advert" I made, it just included pictures. I used BHX as the new base because it seemed a more interesting choice than BFS.
Here's my video:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=QSsBY4...related&search=
The clip from the video was actually recorded from a "mock advert" I made, it just included pictures. I used BHX as the new base because it seemed a more interesting choice than BFS.
Here's my video:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=QSsBY4...related&search=