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EI future long haul options
Most North American East Coast centres are well served from Dublin - Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Orlando, Atlanta, Chicago plus Montreal Toronto and Charlotte (summer only)
I cannot see many gaps - Miami?
Aer Lingus has tried hard with Baltimore and then Washington DC and they did not work out - I wonder if a smaller plane would have been viable. It then dropped LAX and then SFO
Looking East or South, Dubai did not work out though Etihad seems to be making a go of Abu Dhabi - probably due to connecting traffic. Remember the LTU A330 charters to South Africa a few years ago that seemd to do ok. Is there scope there?
Maybe EI is at its long haul maximum
I cannot see many gaps - Miami?
Aer Lingus has tried hard with Baltimore and then Washington DC and they did not work out - I wonder if a smaller plane would have been viable. It then dropped LAX and then SFO
Looking East or South, Dubai did not work out though Etihad seems to be making a go of Abu Dhabi - probably due to connecting traffic. Remember the LTU A330 charters to South Africa a few years ago that seemd to do ok. Is there scope there?
Maybe EI is at its long haul maximum
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Miami isn't the worst idea in the world. It would generate a certain amount of tourist traffic and is an important hub for services on to Latin America.
Where some potential seems to open up is smaller airports that have no Customs or Immigration facilities. Preprocessing in Dublin could make it the only European airport thy could offer. But... That would be heavily contingent on a change in the business plan on European routes. They would have to provide higher frequency in smaller aircraft than is currently offered I'd Dublin were to be a transit hub. Easier said than done with Ryanair around.
Where some potential seems to open up is smaller airports that have no Customs or Immigration facilities. Preprocessing in Dublin could make it the only European airport thy could offer. But... That would be heavily contingent on a change in the business plan on European routes. They would have to provide higher frequency in smaller aircraft than is currently offered I'd Dublin were to be a transit hub. Easier said than done with Ryanair around.
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could EI go back to EWR or add another route to somewhere on the east coast
I do feel however now with T2 working well, with pre emigration clearance, the increased connectivity of Aer Lingus Regional and the good amount of reasonable prices on EI that EI need to ensure that they continue to develop the connectivity via to DUB to many direct US Destinations and develop DUB a reputation as a good place of ease and convenience to fly to US. Thats the key to future growth for them in my view. So yes bring on new US routes and market them heavily across Europe and in the US. Obviously any growth in the short term would need extra machines. Would be great to see SFX back.
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For DUB to be a good place to connect requires two things, IMHO. First, EI Regional flights need to operate from T2, or at the very least from Pier B. Second, pre-clearance needs to be expanded significantly. It's pretty crowded down there now at peak times...
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Couple of things there on the whole Aer Lingus v DUB v Continental v everything else.
Firstly, border clearance. Continental have the advantage there as their first flight is at 0900 with 180 pax going through there on to a 757. By the time 0900 comes there is always a long line trying to get through. EI have their JFK/BOS at pretty much the same time and then along come the ORD pax, and depending on days the MCO pax, as well as US, Delta, and CO's later pax.
Earlier Jamie made the point, why would EI go back to EWR with 14 weekly summer flights by CO. Well, why did Delta join the JFK-DUB route when EI had 14 weekly flights???? Serious question by the way, whats stopping EI going back to EWR. I took my first CO flight recently, the fares were better than EI and I was quite surprised! Im certainly not put off by the single aisle 757, in fact it was quite comfortable. But the main point is EWR, a far better option for getting in and out of Manhattan.
Again, not harping on the CO product, but they have done very well with the 757 on the thinner routes. I have said it before and I will say it again, should this be something that EI should look at. Smaller aircraft, more TA routes.
Finally, speaking of routes. Just because AC is serving YYZ-DUB during the summer does not mean for a second that there is not the market for a year round service. Alternative to the M,W,F second service to BOS when the aircraft is not being used on the MCO route. Those of you who know Ireland will know of the amount of immigration in the past 2 years. A lot go to Oz, but a hell of a lot go to Canada.
Finally FINALLY, EWR, Continental/United. YYZ, Air Canada. Whats the common thing here? STAR ALLIANCE! Another reason that EI should be talking to these boys.
Now, I await the tearing apart of my argument!
Firstly, border clearance. Continental have the advantage there as their first flight is at 0900 with 180 pax going through there on to a 757. By the time 0900 comes there is always a long line trying to get through. EI have their JFK/BOS at pretty much the same time and then along come the ORD pax, and depending on days the MCO pax, as well as US, Delta, and CO's later pax.
Earlier Jamie made the point, why would EI go back to EWR with 14 weekly summer flights by CO. Well, why did Delta join the JFK-DUB route when EI had 14 weekly flights???? Serious question by the way, whats stopping EI going back to EWR. I took my first CO flight recently, the fares were better than EI and I was quite surprised! Im certainly not put off by the single aisle 757, in fact it was quite comfortable. But the main point is EWR, a far better option for getting in and out of Manhattan.
Again, not harping on the CO product, but they have done very well with the 757 on the thinner routes. I have said it before and I will say it again, should this be something that EI should look at. Smaller aircraft, more TA routes.
Finally, speaking of routes. Just because AC is serving YYZ-DUB during the summer does not mean for a second that there is not the market for a year round service. Alternative to the M,W,F second service to BOS when the aircraft is not being used on the MCO route. Those of you who know Ireland will know of the amount of immigration in the past 2 years. A lot go to Oz, but a hell of a lot go to Canada.
Finally FINALLY, EWR, Continental/United. YYZ, Air Canada. Whats the common thing here? STAR ALLIANCE! Another reason that EI should be talking to these boys.
Now, I await the tearing apart of my argument!
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why did Delta join the JFK-DUB route when EI had 14 weekly flights???? Serious question by the way, whats stopping EI going back to EWR
I would like to see EI go to EWR but as I said earlier, the joint venture between UA (now joined to CO) and Aer Lingus on Madrid Washington is too important and I cant see Aer Lingus trying to jeopardise this by flying to EWR in competition.
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the joint venture between UA (now joined to CO) and Aer Lingus on Madrid Washington is too important and I cant see Aer Lingus trying to jeopardise this by flying to EWR in competition
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Don't know how through this is but EI expected to add US route for summer 2012. Rumour going around about it. Anybody else herd anything?
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Would expect the extra 3 weekly to BOS to go. Showing daily for 2012.
SUN, MON, WED & FRI are available on one A330. Everything else full.
If they went for SFO they would save fuel compared to flying LAX. Not sure but think SFO is cheeper to operate from also.
SUN, MON, WED & FRI are available on one A330. Everything else full.
If they went for SFO they would save fuel compared to flying LAX. Not sure but think SFO is cheeper to operate from also.
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Many Irish will see this is a blow with the choice of LAX over SFO I'm thinking. Much of the Irish business and investment community wanted EI or another carrier to establish SFO - Ireland.
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People just want a west coast route. SFO may suit business more but I think LAX would prove better option for Irish people particular young although which ever one it is it will be welcomed.
Don't think MAD - IAD is not finishing so BOS will have a slight reduction.
Don't think MAD - IAD is not finishing so BOS will have a slight reduction.
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Does anyone know what the load factors were like on SFO or LAX? SFO would definitely help Ireland's "Smart Economy" but Aer Lingus must have had better returns from LAX.